[Patch 3.05: Balance Update] General Discussion - Page 77

On April 16 2013 09:44 onlywonderboy wrote:
All I see is Elementz channeling his inner Xiaoxiao, I fail to see the problem.

On April 16 2013 09:59 Thermia wrote:


Except he has been, all you have to do is look at his solo queue. It obviously isn't the end-all but a professional has no excuse to be in plat 4 in season 3 even as a support. He's been in my smurf's division all season for hundreds of games and I don't do anything on it but play bad champs in weird lanes and random things. I'm honestly amazed Curse has been doing as well as they have in LCS but I guess it's hard to get stomped in lane 2v1; it'd be much more obvious without laneswapping.

On April 16 2013 09:50 onlywonderboy wrote:

I think a lot of people are jumping on this hate on Elementz bandwagon a little bit too hard. How quick everyone is to forget how well he played in the first six weeks or so of the LCS. He's slumping, he needs to improve, but it's been a few weeks, it's not like he's been playing this poorly for months on end.

Edit: That said if they replaced him with someone better I wouldn't mind. Honestly I'd be okay if they wanted to try out AtomicN since he was playing for Curse Academy (also his Sona was a beast). Not muffinqt though, that seems like a lateral movement

On April 16 2013 09:50 onlywonderboy wrote:

I think a lot of people are jumping on this hate on Elementz bandwagon a little bit too hard. How quick everyone is to forget how well he played in the first six weeks or so of the LCS. He's slumping, he needs to improve, but it's been a few weeks, it's not like he's been playing this poorly for months on end.

Edit: That said if they replaced him with someone better I wouldn't mind. Honestly I'd be okay if they wanted to try out AtomicN since he was playing for Curse Academy (also his Sona was a beast). Not muffinqt though, that seems like a lateral movement

On April 16 2013 10:06 zulu_nation8 wrote:
if they wanna replace elementz they would need to poach an LCS support

On April 16 2013 10:06 zulu_nation8 wrote:
if they wanna replace elementz they would need to poach an LCS support

On April 16 2013 10:03 LaM wrote:


I don't know man. You can only call so many people haters for so long before it becomes apparent Elementz has been a lackluster and unmotivated player for years, and is universally regarded by pros and pub players alike as incredibly sub par. He does not lane well, can not land Sona ults and other key abilities, is fucking PLATINUM in solo q and hasn't been near the top of the ladder as far back as I can remember (say what you will about solo q, this does matter, you can't be at sub 2k for months and months on end as a pro, that's embarrassing).

It's a bandwagon again recently, but it's warranted. 12 straight losses in scrims to CLG where the Crs bot lane (and Cop takes blame here too) gets absolutely murdered 2v2 (and even performs poorly in team fights after 2v1s) is just the latest, most obvious thing people can speak to. Elementz isn't the worst player ever, but he shouldn't be the support for the best team in LCS. I'm not sure he should even be in LCS.

And Saint might be an asshole, but he's honest. And if he's truthful about Elementz work ethic, (something that rings true to me) that should really be the final nail in the coffin.

On April 16 2013 10:22 onlywonderboy wrote:

That I wholeheartedly agree with. He had been getting the job done, but now teams are focusing Curse's Bot lane and he's becoming a liability.

On April 16 2013 11:06 red_ wrote:
I don't really care about how good or bad Elementz really is(for this discussion), Saint is in my opinion being an indefensible asshole about the whole thing. First and most obvious, he's handling it all 'in the media'(the esports equivalent). Secondly, what he is airing publicly is filled with some bullshit anyway. He spent like 3 minutes of his vlog talking about how Elementz is clearly bad because he wouldn't vote for himself as best in his position. Did Saint even look at the rest of those two all-star lists? Is every EU support and jungle bad because they voted for Edward and Diamond(insert every other position for similar rhetoric questioning)? I get that he said it in the context that Elementz is lacking confidence, but he framed the argument horribly. A player doesn't need Muhammad Ali confidence to be good, or even great. The whole vlog comes off as him trying to tear Elementz down passive aggressively so he doesn't have to actually confront him as a teammate(friend?). Elementz is absolutely right to call him out as a 'leader' when he acts like this.