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On February 21 2013 06:47 Slusher wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 06:40 Ryuu314 wrote:On February 21 2013 06:24 AsnSensation wrote:On February 21 2013 06:18 Amarok wrote:
What annoyed me about the Olaf nerf was that they used Voyboy stomping players essentially a tier below him as part of the justification for the nerf. On this or any other forum evidence for balance complaints wouldn't be heeded if one player was significantly stronger than the other, so Riot letting something like that influence their judgement seems silly to me. lol pretty sure not voyboy alone but Olaf being pick/ban in NA/EU/ASIA was the reason he was nerfed, and he's like the best champ to Health stack and still deal tons of dmg. wtf I posted the link earlier but actually only started watching now... Did Regi really blame Dyrus and Oddone for their loss @ S2 Finals in the very first minute of the video LOL. Also how is strat leaking related to your own loss. gotta love reality tv drama haha yea i dont think that voyboy play was the #1 reason. It was just the cherry on top so to speak. It was kinda obvious that Olaf was becoming a problem case due to his prevalence in pick/ban at pretty much every single tournament game. Reapered at IEM says hello
Yeah but reddit said...!
Seriously though, Olaf has been dumb for a long time.
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Olaf was super strong, however his nerfs were maybe a bit much. Particularly the Q nerf. Still think he is strong, but it hurt his jungling (ganks) a lot, which is lame because he is a strong deterrent to the "3 shredders".
On February 21 2013 06:24 AsnSensation wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 06:18 Amarok wrote:
What annoyed me about the Olaf nerf was that they used Voyboy stomping players essentially a tier below him as part of the justification for the nerf. On this or any other forum evidence for balance complaints wouldn't be heeded if one player was significantly stronger than the other, so Riot letting something like that influence their judgement seems silly to me. lol pretty sure not voyboy alone but Olaf being pick/ban in NA/EU/ASIA was the reason he was nerfed, and he's like the best champ to Health stack and still deal tons of dmg. wtf I posted the link earlier but actually only started watching now... Did Regi really blame Dyrus and Oddone for their loss @ S2 Finals in the very first minute of the video LOL. Also how is strat leaking related to your own loss. gotta love reality tv drama haha
Also, gotta blame the rest of TSM save Dyrus for the terrible S2 championships performance. Like, all of his traditional champs were played (very well) by other players: Singed, Jax, etc but TSM was like "Herp derp Darius, Dyrus don't play or practice who you like and are actually good with".
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Vayne really needed buffs...?
Edit: not to say she needs nerfs, but she really didn't feel like she was in a bad place and needed to have less mana worries.
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On February 21 2013 06:56 cLutZ wrote:Olaf was super strong, however his nerfs were maybe a bit much. Particularly the Q nerf. Still think he is strong, but it hurt his jungling (ganks) a lot, which is lame because he is a strong deterrent to the "3 shredders". Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 06:24 AsnSensation wrote:On February 21 2013 06:18 Amarok wrote:
What annoyed me about the Olaf nerf was that they used Voyboy stomping players essentially a tier below him as part of the justification for the nerf. On this or any other forum evidence for balance complaints wouldn't be heeded if one player was significantly stronger than the other, so Riot letting something like that influence their judgement seems silly to me. lol pretty sure not voyboy alone but Olaf being pick/ban in NA/EU/ASIA was the reason he was nerfed, and he's like the best champ to Health stack and still deal tons of dmg. wtf I posted the link earlier but actually only started watching now... Did Regi really blame Dyrus and Oddone for their loss @ S2 Finals in the very first minute of the video LOL. Also how is strat leaking related to your own loss. gotta love reality tv drama haha Also, gotta blame the rest of TSM save Dyrus for the terrible S2 championships performance. Like, all of his traditional champs were played (very well) by other players: Singed, Jax, etc but TSM was like "Herp derp Darius, Dyrus don't play or practice who you like and are actually good with".
Well, he did actually play Darius quite a bit leading up to the championships. Also, he doesn't play Jax as much anymore, he didn't like the remake.
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On February 21 2013 06:56 Requizen wrote:
Vayne really needed buffs...?
Edit: not to say she needs nerfs, but she really didn't feel like she was in a bad place and needed to have less mana worries.
I hate when they buff hyper carries because it can force such boring playstyle when playing protect the x. I'd much rather a team picks an Urgot or Caitlyn and goes nuts early/mid game. It makes the game much more exciting to me.
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Late game protect the X comps might be a little bit more boring than early aggression comps, but they're still important to the game design.
If there's no danger coming from real late game champion picks, then champions who are super good early and poor late become unbalanced. Gotta be careful with that stuff.
All in all I really like what they've done for ADC's in season 3 so far. It seems like they've really shaken things up from League of Ezreal.
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On February 21 2013 05:20 mordek wrote:
Wow, so much blame on TOO and Dyrus O.o
hahaha I love oddone.
Hm, really weird to see oddone blamed for their S2 finals. From what I remember, he was one of their good points while Chaox and Regi were too inconsistent to really carry. It always seemed to me that Oddone is held back a lot by Regi's champion picks. Not to mention that oddone's role turned out to be mid babysit for Regi for season 2.
Same for Dyrus. There was a certain point that Dyrus was definitely one of the best top laners with a lot of versatility in his champion picks. Don't understand these comments being made. Pretty confused here.
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On February 21 2013 07:04 GhandiEAGLE wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 06:56 cLutZ wrote:Olaf was super strong, however his nerfs were maybe a bit much. Particularly the Q nerf. Still think he is strong, but it hurt his jungling (ganks) a lot, which is lame because he is a strong deterrent to the "3 shredders". On February 21 2013 06:24 AsnSensation wrote:On February 21 2013 06:18 Amarok wrote:
What annoyed me about the Olaf nerf was that they used Voyboy stomping players essentially a tier below him as part of the justification for the nerf. On this or any other forum evidence for balance complaints wouldn't be heeded if one player was significantly stronger than the other, so Riot letting something like that influence their judgement seems silly to me. lol pretty sure not voyboy alone but Olaf being pick/ban in NA/EU/ASIA was the reason he was nerfed, and he's like the best champ to Health stack and still deal tons of dmg. wtf I posted the link earlier but actually only started watching now... Did Regi really blame Dyrus and Oddone for their loss @ S2 Finals in the very first minute of the video LOL. Also how is strat leaking related to your own loss. gotta love reality tv drama haha Also, gotta blame the rest of TSM save Dyrus for the terrible S2 championships performance. Like, all of his traditional champs were played (very well) by other players: Singed, Jax, etc but TSM was like "Herp derp Darius, Dyrus don't play or practice who you like and are actually good with". Well, he did actually play Darius quite a bit leading up to the championships. Also, he doesn't play Jax as much anymore, he didn't like the remake.
Agree.
On February 21 2013 07:14 Zdrastochye wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 06:56 Requizen wrote:
Vayne really needed buffs...?
Edit: not to say she needs nerfs, but she really didn't feel like she was in a bad place and needed to have less mana worries. I hate when they buff hyper carries because it can force such boring playstyle when playing protect the x. I'd much rather a team picks an Urgot or Caitlyn and goes nuts early/mid game. It makes the game much more exciting to me.
Disagree completely. Hypercarries are always my favorite games, unless its on CLG EU because then they have underfarmed Kog Maw.
The real reason I really enjoy later game comps is they are more sustained-damage reliant, which I prefer to burst damage comps, which produce much more binary teamfights and less interesting ones. Also, from a spectators POV, when you can see through the fog of war, things like lvl 1 invades, 3v1 towerdives, baits, etc are not nearly as interesting and exciting as well executed full-on fights.
Edit: That is why I love watching games with Ashe, because the kiting/using of ult is very intriguing and you aren't sure of the value of either prior to the fight (look at that guy jungling, oh he stepped on a ward...Arrow, invaded, dead).
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On February 21 2013 06:24 AsnSensation wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 06:18 Amarok wrote:
What annoyed me about the Olaf nerf was that they used Voyboy stomping players essentially a tier below him as part of the justification for the nerf. On this or any other forum evidence for balance complaints wouldn't be heeded if one player was significantly stronger than the other, so Riot letting something like that influence their judgement seems silly to me. lol pretty sure not voyboy alone but Olaf being pick/ban in NA/EU/ASIA was the reason he was nerfed, and he's like the best champ to Health stack and still deal tons of dmg. wtf I posted the link earlier but actually only started watching now... Did Regi really blame Dyrus and Oddone for their loss @ S2 Finals in the very first minute of the video LOL. Also how is strat leaking related to your own loss. gotta love reality tv drama haha
I just didn't think it was particularly professional of them to list Voyboy stomping at the LCS qualifiers as a reason for nerfing him. He'd been at the top of the pile for a while, and something needed to be done but a fed olaf getting a double kill on 2 underfed champions with zero mobility and limited kiting potential wasn't a particularly good way of explaining why.
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On February 21 2013 07:54 Amarok wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 06:24 AsnSensation wrote:On February 21 2013 06:18 Amarok wrote:
What annoyed me about the Olaf nerf was that they used Voyboy stomping players essentially a tier below him as part of the justification for the nerf. On this or any other forum evidence for balance complaints wouldn't be heeded if one player was significantly stronger than the other, so Riot letting something like that influence their judgement seems silly to me. lol pretty sure not voyboy alone but Olaf being pick/ban in NA/EU/ASIA was the reason he was nerfed, and he's like the best champ to Health stack and still deal tons of dmg. wtf I posted the link earlier but actually only started watching now... Did Regi really blame Dyrus and Oddone for their loss @ S2 Finals in the very first minute of the video LOL. Also how is strat leaking related to your own loss. gotta love reality tv drama haha I just didn't think it was particularly professional of them to list Voyboy stomping at the LCS qualifiers as a reason for nerfing him. He'd been at the top of the pile for a while, and something needed to be done but a fed olaf getting a double kill on 2 underfed champions with zero mobility and limited kiting potential wasn't a particularly good way of explaining why.
they probably just used it cause it was an obvious example of how olaf was overly ridiculous.
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Hello guys I've decided to stop playing bot lane and go mid.Could you recommend me some good characters?Currently I play pretty much only lux xD.Guess I can play an ok kayle/ori/kart but they seem to have fallen out of favour lately.Also I've played a few games with viktor and he is fun but seems bad in current meta.
Also it is so fucking annoying how after a turret goes down the laner feels obligated to come mid and push.....
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I'd say Viktor 'cause we're TL but burst mages aren't all the craze with the s3 itemisation, even without the current meta. :/
Orianna is an all-around awesome, safe and always useful pick.
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Kayle is still straight up broken, so if you just want to win play her.
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On February 21 2013 08:09 Two_DoWn wrote:
Kayle is still straight up broken, so if you just want to win play her.
I know.I played first game since like s1 with her and won it quite easily but she is permaban in my games  .
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On February 21 2013 07:26 ketchup wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 05:20 mordek wrote:
Wow, so much blame on TOO and Dyrus O.o
hahaha I love oddone. Hm, really weird to see oddone blamed for their S2 finals. From what I remember, he was one of their good points while Chaox and Regi were too inconsistent to really carry. It always seemed to me that Oddone is held back a lot by Regi's champion picks. Not to mention that oddone's role turned out to be mid babysit for Regi for season 2. Same for Dyrus. There was a certain point that Dyrus was definitely one of the best top laners with a lot of versatility in his champion picks. Don't understand these comments being made. Pretty confused here.
your squishies cant do shit if your front line melts
call them what you want they still cant do shit
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On February 21 2013 06:56 cLutZ wrote:Olaf was super strong, however his nerfs were maybe a bit much. Particularly the Q nerf. Still think he is strong, but it hurt his jungling (ganks) a lot, which is lame because he is a strong deterrent to the "3 shredders". Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 06:24 AsnSensation wrote:On February 21 2013 06:18 Amarok wrote:
What annoyed me about the Olaf nerf was that they used Voyboy stomping players essentially a tier below him as part of the justification for the nerf. On this or any other forum evidence for balance complaints wouldn't be heeded if one player was significantly stronger than the other, so Riot letting something like that influence their judgement seems silly to me. lol pretty sure not voyboy alone but Olaf being pick/ban in NA/EU/ASIA was the reason he was nerfed, and he's like the best champ to Health stack and still deal tons of dmg. wtf I posted the link earlier but actually only started watching now... Did Regi really blame Dyrus and Oddone for their loss @ S2 Finals in the very first minute of the video LOL. Also how is strat leaking related to your own loss. gotta love reality tv drama haha Also, gotta blame the rest of TSM save Dyrus for the terrible S2 championships performance. Like, all of his traditional champs were played (very well) by other players: Singed, Jax, etc but TSM was like "Herp derp Darius, Dyrus don't play or practice who you like and are actually good with".
Dyrus's triforce jayce probably did lose them one of the games. He did well enough top but come team fight time he did nothing because triforce is/was bad on jayce. And it's not like he didn't have the opportunity to see what optimal jayce builds should be since the Asian regionals showed it off quite well
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Random Janna buff on PBE. Yay.
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Me: "Gonna main Kayle all S2. Kayle is weak. Can not lane well. I think I understand this game."
Everyone else: "OMG Kayle so strong."
Me: "I don't understand this game anymore."
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On February 21 2013 08:13 Goumindong wrote:Show nested quote +On February 21 2013 06:56 cLutZ wrote:Olaf was super strong, however his nerfs were maybe a bit much. Particularly the Q nerf. Still think he is strong, but it hurt his jungling (ganks) a lot, which is lame because he is a strong deterrent to the "3 shredders". On February 21 2013 06:24 AsnSensation wrote:On February 21 2013 06:18 Amarok wrote:
What annoyed me about the Olaf nerf was that they used Voyboy stomping players essentially a tier below him as part of the justification for the nerf. On this or any other forum evidence for balance complaints wouldn't be heeded if one player was significantly stronger than the other, so Riot letting something like that influence their judgement seems silly to me. lol pretty sure not voyboy alone but Olaf being pick/ban in NA/EU/ASIA was the reason he was nerfed, and he's like the best champ to Health stack and still deal tons of dmg. wtf I posted the link earlier but actually only started watching now... Did Regi really blame Dyrus and Oddone for their loss @ S2 Finals in the very first minute of the video LOL. Also how is strat leaking related to your own loss. gotta love reality tv drama haha Also, gotta blame the rest of TSM save Dyrus for the terrible S2 championships performance. Like, all of his traditional champs were played (very well) by other players: Singed, Jax, etc but TSM was like "Herp derp Darius, Dyrus don't play or practice who you like and are actually good with". Dyrus's triforce jayce probably did lose them one of the games. He did well enough top but come team fight time he did nothing because triforce is/was bad on jayce. And it's not like he didn't have the opportunity to see what optimal jayce builds should be since the Asian regionals showed it off quite well
Didnt Dyrus play Darius in both games? was super far behind and went full tanky with sunfire and shit, pretty sure Shy played Jayce at least in g1 though because it was part of the famous "cheating incident" and he checked that brush where all of tsm were in with Q.
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He played Jayce the second game and did go triforce, which is really surprising considering he had played quite a bit of Jayce before on stream and never built the item.
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