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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
February 20 2013 19:50 GMT
#1741
On February 21 2013 04:44 Shikyo wrote:
;S Beta champions aren't that good compared to the new ones?

If we still had beta TF or Twitch or Jax or ... There's a reason they had to nerf them.

Even TF in his current state is near must-ban/pick status in China/Korea. It's just that NA/EU don't use the hero.
Moderator
Usagi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Spain1647 Posts
February 20 2013 19:52 GMT
#1742
Im starting to feel like Bronze is a place where logic doenst work, you dont have to be better than the oponent, you only have to randomly luck out on the team mates, it's getting so annoying to have several days with very bad streaks when still winning lane just because people seem to be retards

And my mmr placing against silvers msot of the time >.< Someone take me to gold!
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
February 20 2013 19:54 GMT
#1743
On February 21 2013 04:50 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2013 04:44 Shikyo wrote:
;S Beta champions aren't that good compared to the new ones?

If we still had beta TF or Twitch or Jax or ... There's a reason they had to nerf them.

Even TF in his current state is near must-ban/pick status in China/Korea. It's just that NA/EU don't use the hero.


Don't use him as good as them*.Even in solo q he is regularly banned so .
wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-20 20:17:31
February 20 2013 19:58 GMT
#1744
On February 21 2013 04:52 Usagi wrote:
Im starting to feel like Bronze is a place where logic doenst work, you dont have to be better than the oponent, you only have to randomly luck out on the team mates, it's getting so annoying to have several days with very bad streaks when still winning lane just because people seem to be retards

And my mmr placing against silvers msot of the time >.< Someone take me to gold!

if you're in bronze and playing vs silvers does that mean silvers play like bronze?

also, remember, tf used to have a global too >_>

HOLY SHIT GOLIATH
BW -> League -> CSGO
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-20 20:02:26
February 20 2013 20:00 GMT
#1745
On February 21 2013 04:09 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2013 04:04 Ketara wrote:
Warwick is such a terrible champion. I hope I'm not alone in thinking this.

He brings absolutely nothing to a team pre 6 and post 6 other junglers do his job better.

It'd be neat like, if he could get the first rank of his ult at level 4. Then he'd be cool. As is he's just awful.


That goes for a lot of beta champions. Their kits fall short compared to all the newly released champs.

I wonder what the "oldest" champion that consistently shows up in competitive play. Nunu and Jax probably.


Scumbag TL LoL
Champions massively nerfed
-->THEIR KITS ARENT STRONG ENOUGH

ww with fast madreds into boots of mobility ult gank is actually really strong, and ww is still quite stnorg when fed, the problem is the huge resist nerfs and wits end etc nerfs hurt champs like ww and udyr who relied a lot on resists.

His ganks pre 6 arent great but you can punish overextenders, you just dont kill ppl in the middle of lanes with flash up like with jarvan/vi/xin/amumu who are all getting nerfed pretty much (jarvan vi prolly not because they arent that great later)

buff so called not strong kit champs and you'll see every melee doesnt need a 6 second gap closer to be effective.
everyone will be like AMG warwick op cant run from him, q does 20% of my hp with warmogs heals for 500, free 40% attack speed to whole team and 80% self buff and then instant 2 second huge nuke huge range gap closer supress and impossible to escape from in laning phase NERFF
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-20 20:05:55
February 20 2013 20:04 GMT
#1746
On February 21 2013 04:50 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2013 04:44 Shikyo wrote:
;S Beta champions aren't that good compared to the new ones?

If we still had beta TF or Twitch or Jax or ... There's a reason they had to nerf them.

Even TF in his current state is near must-ban/pick status in China/Korea. It's just that NA/EU don't use the hero.


EU has never used TF though. Even season1 when he still had global ult they didn't use him.

NA's AP mids are all really really bad. Like, no offense meant, but when Nyjacky is the best AP mid your scene has to offer there's a problem.
JonGalt
Profile Joined February 2013
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-20 20:12:22
February 20 2013 20:05 GMT
#1747
"@LoLDyrus: lol these posts man. http://t.co/LbogbBqB "

Dyrus tweeted my fanclub thread. BOOM. Take that Asmo. You can have your front page reddit status.
LiquidLegends StaffWho is Jon Galt?
Mondeezy
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1938 Posts
February 20 2013 20:05 GMT
#1748
On February 21 2013 04:50 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2013 04:44 Shikyo wrote:
;S Beta champions aren't that good compared to the new ones?

If we still had beta TF or Twitch or Jax or ... There's a reason they had to nerf them.

Even TF in his current state is near must-ban/pick status in China/Korea. It's just that NA/EU don't use the hero.


How exactly do they play him?

I mean, are they just beastly with card selection? Every time I try to play him I feel like a derp, and I don't know when to utilize ganks properly and whatnot. Would love to see Misaya play him but he's always banned out ;_; lol.
LoL NA: Mondeezy - TL - Riven <3
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
February 20 2013 20:09 GMT
#1749
On February 21 2013 05:05 JonGalt wrote:
"@LoLDyrus: lol these posts man. http://t.co/LbogbBqB"

Dyrus tweeted my fanclub thread. BOOM. Take that Asmo. You can have your front page reddit status.


*clicks link* -> "Sorry, this page doesn't exist."

YOU WERE SAYING?!
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
February 20 2013 20:09 GMT
#1750
PRETTY sure if WW's kit were buffed he'd be immovable in lane and just ult carries all day every day
Bronze player stuck in platinum
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
February 20 2013 20:10 GMT
#1751
On February 21 2013 05:04 overt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2013 04:50 TheYango wrote:
On February 21 2013 04:44 Shikyo wrote:
;S Beta champions aren't that good compared to the new ones?

If we still had beta TF or Twitch or Jax or ... There's a reason they had to nerf them.

Even TF in his current state is near must-ban/pick status in China/Korea. It's just that NA/EU don't use the hero.


EU has never used TF though. Even season1 when he still had global ult they didn't use him.

NA's AP mids are all really really bad. Like, no offense meant, but when Nyjacky is the best AP mid your scene has to offer there's a problem.

wait what's wrong with nyjacky
Bronze player stuck in platinum
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13957 Posts
February 20 2013 20:10 GMT
#1752
On February 21 2013 05:05 JonGalt wrote:
"@LoLDyrus: lol these posts man. http://t.co/LbogbBqB

Dyrus tweeted my fanclub thread. BOOM. Take that Asmo. You can have your front page reddit status.


Fixed that for you
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12704 Posts
February 20 2013 20:11 GMT
#1753
On February 21 2013 05:00 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2013 04:09 NeoIllusions wrote:
On February 21 2013 04:04 Ketara wrote:
Warwick is such a terrible champion. I hope I'm not alone in thinking this.

He brings absolutely nothing to a team pre 6 and post 6 other junglers do his job better.

It'd be neat like, if he could get the first rank of his ult at level 4. Then he'd be cool. As is he's just awful.


That goes for a lot of beta champions. Their kits fall short compared to all the newly released champs.

I wonder what the "oldest" champion that consistently shows up in competitive play. Nunu and Jax probably.


Scumbag TL LoL
Champions massively nerfed
-->THEIR KITS ARENT STRONG ENOUGH

ww with fast madreds into boots of mobility ult gank is actually really strong, and ww is still quite stnorg when fed, the problem is the huge resist nerfs and wits end etc nerfs hurt champs like ww and udyr who relied a lot on resists.

His ganks pre 6 arent great but you can punish overextenders, you just dont kill ppl in the middle of lanes with flash up like with jarvan/vi/xin/amumu who are all getting nerfed pretty much (jarvan vi prolly not because they arent that great later)

buff so called not strong kit champs and you'll see every melee doesnt need a 6 second gap closer to be effective.
everyone will be like AMG warwick op cant run from him, q does 20% of my hp with warmogs heals for 500, free 40% attack speed to whole team and 80% self buff and then instant 2 second huge nuke huge range gap closer supress and impossible to escape from in laning phase NERFF

Doesn't everyone buying health over resists help his Q? I'm guessing that doesn't outweigh the benefits being tanky with resists?
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-20 20:13:30
February 20 2013 20:13 GMT
#1754
yeah but q got buttraped as well if it was his old state of q he'd probably be very strong right now
(16% -->20% max hp and 80%-->100% healed)
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-20 20:14:47
February 20 2013 20:13 GMT
#1755
On February 21 2013 05:10 Nos- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2013 05:04 overt wrote:
On February 21 2013 04:50 TheYango wrote:
On February 21 2013 04:44 Shikyo wrote:
;S Beta champions aren't that good compared to the new ones?

If we still had beta TF or Twitch or Jax or ... There's a reason they had to nerf them.

Even TF in his current state is near must-ban/pick status in China/Korea. It's just that NA/EU don't use the hero.


EU has never used TF though. Even season1 when he still had global ult they didn't use him.

NA's AP mids are all really really bad. Like, no offense meant, but when Nyjacky is the best AP mid your scene has to offer there's a problem.

wait what's wrong with nyjacky


For a long time he could only play three champions in competitive play (Ryze, Morgana, Veigar). And now that he can run other APs and never plays any of his signature mids he's just a boring solid player. He's like bigfatjiji but his lane phase doesn't suck. He'll do his job but you will never see him make big plays. I'm pretty sure he'd go even in lane with the B-tier EU AP mids and just fail in comparison to any of the best EU, CN, or KR AP mids.

It's just funny to me and I think if you said a year ago that Nyjacky would one day be the best AP mid in North America no one would believe you. But obviously mad props to him for improving. He's good but the fact that he plays in NA makes him look a lot better than he actually is imo.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
February 20 2013 20:13 GMT
#1756
On February 21 2013 05:09 Nos- wrote:
PRETTY sure if WW's kit were buffed he'd be immovable in lane and just ult carries all day every day

That's what he does anyway if you lane him.
It's your boy Guzma!
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
February 20 2013 20:14 GMT
#1757
MTV Jersey Sho.... oh wait TSM Gamecribs Ep 1

http://www.gamespot.com/events/game-crib-tsm-snapdragon/video.html?sid=6404185
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
February 20 2013 20:19 GMT
#1758
EUW hasn't caught on AP Trynd yet. Take that, NA fads!
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12704 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-20 20:24:49
February 20 2013 20:20 GMT
#1759
Wow, so much blame on TOO and Dyrus O.o

hahaha I love oddone.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
February 20 2013 20:28 GMT
#1760
TF's ult is also good cuz its like a superduper good version of CV ever 60 seconds, even without the teleport.
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