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Netherlands13241 Posts
On December 08 2012 00:47 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2012 00:44 Bladeorade wrote:
Lol sounds like you guys have self esteem problems. You talk in language I dont understand? Clearly making fun of me. Yea I don't get it. Maybe because my parents speak Portuguese while I don't so I've never had a problem with people speaking a different language around me. Same as guys speaking Afrikaans or Zulu. I think maybe it's because a lot of people don't really get exposed to lots of languages around them? Like honestly I'd rather have a guy flaming me in Russian or French than English purely because then I can make up what he's saying for comic relief.
It's not about self esteem or anything like that at all. The problem is that there are many avenues you can take to communicate with people in your own language (Skype, /w, Ventrilo/TS), and that the all chat and team chat is meant for the English language.
I personally don't mind nor care much about people speaking foreign language in my chat, but it is indecent to do so, and you could argue it violates the Summoner's Code (not communicating with teammates).
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Fuck the stats, this is what I'll day1 buy Vi for.
Screw it, I can't play Draven well, didn't stop me.
Also there's nothing wrong with talking a non-English language during a game, as long as the intended people can understand it. When we go in premades, most of the people I play with aren't good English-speakers, and it's even worse when I'm smurfing with beginners to show them the ropes. Then I just tell the pick-ups "I may not talk English every time, those are for xxx to understand better since he's a beginner" or something like that in pregame chat, and during the game I ping, point out the misses and wards, and make calls in English, but if I have some banter or advising to do with my premade teammates that don't relate to the other people I'll do it in French.
Is it bad? No. And it shouldn't. The English, German, Polish or whatever teammate doesn't need me to explain him what my teammate's ult do, right? So I don't have to use English for it if the primarily concerned person has trouble with it, right?
I do report people in some cases though, for example when a premade answers me that they understand English at the start of the game, then proceed to speak in another language which we don't understand for all of the games, don't group up, don't ping, don't call the misses or wards or anything in any way, and generally don't communicate with us at all.
If they make the effort to switch to English, or don't understand the language but follow the pings and stuff? Then at least they tried. But when they do as aforementioned, I report them for refusing to communicate since it's obvious they could, but they're voluntarily playing as 3+2 rather than 5.
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On December 08 2012 00:43 AsmodeusXI wrote:Yeah, going back over some of the shit that's been said in this conversation, I'm back to pissed off by this. Show nested quote +It doesn't have to do with winning or losing.
If they refuse to talk english, they refuse to communicate with their team. With is a reportable offense last time I checked. Show nested quote +I often report people for talking in another language, myself, if they keep doing it after i tell them to speak english. You don't have to speak English to communicate with your team. MIAs, SS, etc. and pings are universal and are the only communication aids you need in solo queue. Or, if not "need," then "should expect," because that's just fucking solo queue. There's absolutely NO reason anyone should be EXPECTED to speak English in LoL or ANYWHERE. That's not how the fucking world works. And banning people for this? Shame on you Riot, if that's the case. And shame on anyone who reports someone for speaking in a foreign language. Because there's a difference between not speaking English and refusing to communicate with your team. What the fuck.
You clearly unable to read correctly.
Here, I even looked my own post up so you don't have to:
I don't arbitarily report people that talk a word or two in whatever language, but if they keep doing it after I tell them to speak English, or at least do calls in an understandable way, they should be reported.
There's ways to communicate even without English, and I acknowledge those (pinging, "mia", and whatnot), but some people simply refuse to do that, and I report those without a second thought.
Seems like you only read what you feel like, and then pretend to have some "moral high ground" or whatever. I'm done here, else I'm gonna start flaming for realz.
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United States15536 Posts
On December 08 2012 00:45 AsnSensation wrote:
I dont mind people talking in their respective languages a few words but what pisses me off are those duo queue premades that don't bother getting in voicechat together and then proceed to spam the chat with french/german/russian/spanish or whatever and it's quite obvious that they are flaming/blaming the team if things aren't going good when champ names are mentioned.
Yes see... people doing THIS is an issue, but it's the same issue with English. Spamming is reportable. Flaming is reportable. Being obnoxious is reportable. But none of these things are a "foreign language problem" so much as an "asshole problem." They can be done just as easily in English as anything else.
Report people for these things. But don't fucking report people for speaking a different language.
Here, I even looked my own post up so you don't have to: Show nested quote +I don't arbitarily report people that talk a word or two in whatever language, but if they keep doing it after I tell them to speak English, or at least do calls in an understandable way, they should be reported.
There's ways to communicate even without English, and I acknowledge those (pinging, "mia", and whatnot), but some people simply refuse to do that, and I report those without a second thought. Seems like you only read what you feel like, and then pretend to have some "moral high ground" or whatever. I'm done here, else I'm gonna start flaming for realz.
Hey, fair enough. I missed that. My bad. It would be useful for the other statements to be more clear though, because they don't sound good. But yes, you're correct.
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That next patch is butchering Rengar. wtf 
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On December 08 2012 01:01 arb wrote:That next patch is butchering Rengar. wtf
Finally gets what's coming. If they want to have sustain they should really have it come with a cost IE a resource. Seems like they want to remove all resources from the game with half these new champions. So silly.
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United States23745 Posts
On December 08 2012 01:02 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2012 01:01 arb wrote:That next patch is butchering Rengar. wtf Finally gets what's coming. If they want to have sustain they should really have it come with a cost IE a resource. Seems like they want to remove all resources from the game with half these new champions. So silly.
Especially the state he was in the competitive scene, far too strong. Probably didn't need the damage nerf on his W, but I think the other changes are justifiable.
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riot is totally trying their hardest to get me to buy all the christmas skins this year >.<
the kat skin could use a different hair color though cause orange doesn't look very good on her
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Netherlands13241 Posts
On December 08 2012 01:02 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2012 01:01 arb wrote:That next patch is butchering Rengar. wtf Finally gets what's coming. If they want to have sustain they should really have it come with a cost IE a resource. Seems like they want to remove all resources from the game with half these new champions. So silly.
Why not keep the heal and damage the same but remove the bonus armor/mr. Would be a better solution imo. The guy wasn't designed as a tank anyway, but he is due to the stupidity of the bonus stats on his yell.
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On December 08 2012 00:44 Bladeorade wrote:
Lol sounds like you guys have self esteem problems. You talk in language I dont understand? Clearly making fun of me.
From my garbled understanding of Spanish it's not too uncommon for them to be making fun of me if I'm having a bad game. Just yesterday in a dominion game I played poorly and a Malphite said something about me and cancer. Note that they're not any MORE likely to rage at me in that situation than someone speaking English, but it happens.
If 3 people are standing next to each other in a conversation it's not polite to break off into a side conversation with your friend and exclude the third person. You're actively excluding them to their face without any explanation of why they shouldn't hear what you're saying. Since LoL is virtual the rules are unfortunately more murky because you and the strangers you're playing with are more likely to be on completely different pages. So there's more room for offense, though I do not condone the offense taken in these cases we're discussing.
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On December 08 2012 00:44 Bladeorade wrote:
Lol sounds like you guys have self esteem problems. You talk in language I dont understand? Clearly making fun of me.
There are good arguments for your case but this isn't one of them. This is basically the same as "raging should be ok because they should get thicker skin"
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I just hope we get a "Vi for Vendetta" skin at some point for the new champ. I would buy more RP for that alone (and probably the dragon tamer lulu skin).
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I know for a fact that ~50% of the times somebody randomly starts talking German to his duobuddy it's a flame about another teammate.
Other 50% are inane discussions about nothing.
In both cases, the correct course of action is still ignoring it and keep talking english.
But it's kinda funny if it happens and the flamee also talks german. "fun" in a trainwreck, losing-the-game sort of way.
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Idk if people make fun of me cuz I'm having a bad game in any language I mute them and concentrate. people would be better off ignoring and just playing.
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Riot should finish that project with the additional ping types, then "accidentally" break in-game chat.
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On December 08 2012 01:21 Dandel Ion wrote:
I know for a fact that ~50% of the times somebody randomly starts talking German to his duobuddy it's a flame about another teammate.
Other 50% are inane discussions about nothing.
In both cases, the correct course of action is still ignoring it and keep talking english.
But it's kinda funny if it happens and the flamee also talks german. "fun" in a trainwreck, losing-the-game sort of way.
happens to me quite often. I speak German fluently and french and spanish somewhat decently, but usually stick to english online. Not because i dislike talking in any other language, but simply because the odds are high that at least 1 guy in a team of 5 doesn't speak whatever the second language is.
Note that doesn't mean i won't say a sentence in another language if I want to adress my duo partner specifically (usually something along the lines of: "wtf are you doing". I don't bother flaming teammates in any language, the most i'll do is start swearing on skype (where only my brother or whoever is playing with me has to suffer through it).
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For me it's simple:
If it's relevant to the game, it should be in a language everyone can understand, so talk english.
If you talk french/german/spanish/whatever it therefor can't be relevant to the game and only clutters up the chat and obscures mia/ss calls, buff timers, etc and either distracts people from the game because they have to constantly look at the chat in case someone says something important or it makes people ignore the chat which completely hinders any relevant communication.
What would you say if people constantly kept pinging somewhere randomly? It's basically the same, it's removing one path of communication from the game.
I don't care about the occasional line at the start of the game, i often understand what the others are saying anyways, but if the chat lines are just rolling by all game long, it annoys the heck out of me. I don't even make a difference between people speaking german (my first language), french (which i learned 15 years ago) or russian (i don't understand a single word), i hate those that babble ingame in any non-english language with a passion.
If you want to chat with your friends, do it between the games or in TS/Vent/Skype.
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This argument is more entertaining than GP/10 and Armpen vs AD runes
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United States47024 Posts
Even if you're not on voice chat, is it really that hard to just "/w" or "/r" it to your duo buddy?
If your message only has one intended recipient, it makes zero sense to chat it to the other 3 people on your team.
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On December 08 2012 01:20 thenexusp wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2012 00:44 Bladeorade wrote:
Lol sounds like you guys have self esteem problems. You talk in language I dont understand? Clearly making fun of me. There are good arguments for your case but this isn't one of them. This is basically the same as "raging should be ok because they should get thicker skin"
Where did I mention raging? Several people stated they report others purely for speaking a different language. There is no official language of league. People dont need to speak english if they dont wish to. I dont speak at all most games. However I also do think people could use somewhat "thicker skin" perhaps its because I come from a fps background.i just think a lot of people are overly sensitive.
I dont condone the racist sexist rape your mom give you cancer type of over the top shit. But if your having abad game and someone says man you fucking suck man up and play better. I dont report for telling me I suck when I am.
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