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On November 14 2012 06:18 Zergneedsfood wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 06:03 Requizen wrote:On November 14 2012 06:01 AsnSensation wrote: ok today i learned that wukong dunks on vlad pretty hard, went like 0/6 in lane xD felt so bad for the others, because you know placement matches, npnp farm abit and use ult on 4 ppl gg, I only picked vlad into an to me unknown matchup because I saw that we have anivia mid, amumu jungle and sona/ez bot. wombooo comboo I've been trying to learn Vlad lately to expand my top selection (and maybe mids). The one thing that I've noticed: Fuck anyone who has a gap closer, they make my life hell and I spend pretty much 1-9 hugging my tower and pooling. I actually can't play a single AP champion to save my life.
Learning Morg + Karth is easy and gives you two good choices. Also Singed if that counts.
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The one mastery we are adding specifically gold related in Utility is a mastery called "Pickpocket" that grants gold upon attacking an enemy champion. This will allow active supports a bit more gold while harassing their opponents, while also being useful for other character types that spec into deep into Utility.
Support Janna weeps.
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On November 14 2012 06:41 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +The one mastery we are adding specifically gold related in Utility is a mastery called "Pickpocket" that grants gold upon attacking an enemy champion. This will allow active supports a bit more gold while harassing their opponents, while also being useful for other character types that spec into deep into Utility. Support Janna weeps. Why are you not throwing tornadoes at people?
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Support Janna shields herself and beats the crap out of someone, then runs back into the bush. Filthy gold thief.
EDIT: I haven't played Janna in a while. I assume she still goes 9 offense for the extra damage from shielded autos?
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On November 14 2012 06:41 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +The one mastery we are adding specifically gold related in Utility is a mastery called "Pickpocket" that grants gold upon attacking an enemy champion. This will allow active supports a bit more gold while harassing their opponents, while also being useful for other character types that spec into deep into Utility. Support Janna weeps. Support janna is going to love this mastery.
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On November 14 2012 06:44 Sandster wrote: Support Janna shields herself and beats the crap out of someone, then runs back into the bush. Filthy gold thief.
EDIT: I haven't played Janna in a while. I assume she still goes 9 offense for the extra damage from shielded autos?
Sure you could do that, but her range is abysmal compared to other ranged supports with the standard 550 range.
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The fuck. First ranked game of the season and a feeder and an afker in the same game...
My luck, it is bad 
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Janna has pretty long AA range, I don't see the problem there. Basically the only support who can't AA much in lane is Leona, maybe Blitz.
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On November 14 2012 06:49 TheLink wrote: Janna has pretty long AA range, I don't see the problem there. Basically the only support who can't AA much in lane is Leona, maybe Blitz.
475 = long?
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On November 14 2012 06:41 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +The one mastery we are adding specifically gold related in Utility is a mastery called "Pickpocket" that grants gold upon attacking an enemy champion. This will allow active supports a bit more gold while harassing their opponents, while also being useful for other character types that spec into deep into Utility. Support Janna weeps. Sona is happy. Ali or Leona? Not that much, esp. sun girl. Whenever she hits something it dies, she can't milk it.  Zed seemed pretty weak in lane from what I saw, being energy-based allowed him to stay and clear, but his harass is rather weak/limited unless you commit a whole lot of energy, and his burst with ult is definitely weaker than Talon's or even Pantheon's now that the %damage dealt has been reduced.
He also suffers from not having a gap closer outside of his ult (using W to gap close puts a dent on your harass). When I was watching him, I often told myself "wow, Diana or Talon could have done so much more here".
Also Wukong isn't harder than Irelia for Vlad. In Ire vs Vlad if one dis before 6 then the lane is pretty much over unless heavy jungler intervention happens (and if noone dies Irelia should take the advantage around level 7). Actually if Wukong doesn't get to smash Vlad (bait pool, use as many autos as you can, and pray you won't go oom before he's almost dead) early he'll just destroyed by Vlad's sustain later on.
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On November 14 2012 06:49 Alaric wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 06:41 Sufficiency wrote:The one mastery we are adding specifically gold related in Utility is a mastery called "Pickpocket" that grants gold upon attacking an enemy champion. This will allow active supports a bit more gold while harassing their opponents, while also being useful for other character types that spec into deep into Utility. Support Janna weeps. Sona is happy. Ali or Leona? Not that much, esp. sun girl. Whenever she hits something it dies, she can't milk it.  Zed seemed pretty weak in lane from what I saw, being energy-based allowed him to stay and clear, but his harass is rather weak/limited unless you commit a whole lot of energy, and his burst with ult is definitely weaker than Talon's or even Pantheon's now that the %damage dealt has been reduced. He also suffers from not having a gap closer outside of his ult (using W to gap close puts a dent on your harass). When I was watching him, I often told myself "wow, Diana or Talon could have done so much more here". Also Wukong isn't harder than Irelia for Vlad. In Ire vs Vlad if one dis before 6 then the lane is pretty much over unless heavy jungler intervention happens (and if noone dies Irelia should take the advantage around level 7). Actually if Wukong doesn't get to smash Vlad (bait pool, use as many autos as you can, and pray you won't go oom before he's almost dead) early he'll just destroyed by Vlad's sustain later on.
Leona and Alistar currently do not run deeply into the utility tree, and I don't see them going there in S3 either.
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On November 14 2012 06:49 Alaric wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 06:41 Sufficiency wrote:The one mastery we are adding specifically gold related in Utility is a mastery called "Pickpocket" that grants gold upon attacking an enemy champion. This will allow active supports a bit more gold while harassing their opponents, while also being useful for other character types that spec into deep into Utility. Support Janna weeps. Sona is happy. Ali or Leona? Not that much, esp. sun girl. Whenever she hits something it dies, she can't milk it.  They specifically said that the gold reward will be higher for melee, who have to make a larger risk to deal damage with autos. This pleases Taric.
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support ashe viable now?!
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A lot depends on the definition of "attacks" and the among of gold given by this new mastery.
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This Zed guy seems like he could be a sick mid. It's like Kat but a more versatile shunpo and no resets.
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On November 14 2012 06:54 Seuss wrote: A lot depends on the definition of "attacks" and the among of gold given by this new mastery.
I am guessing 2gold per hit for ranged, 4-5 for melee.
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On November 14 2012 06:56 Diamond wrote: This Zed guy seems like he could be a sick mid. It's like Kat but a more versatile shunpo and no resets. But resets are the best part of Kat...
Plus resourceless > energy.
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On November 14 2012 06:52 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 06:49 Alaric wrote:On November 14 2012 06:41 Sufficiency wrote:The one mastery we are adding specifically gold related in Utility is a mastery called "Pickpocket" that grants gold upon attacking an enemy champion. This will allow active supports a bit more gold while harassing their opponents, while also being useful for other character types that spec into deep into Utility. Support Janna weeps. Sona is happy. Ali or Leona? Not that much, esp. sun girl. Whenever she hits something it dies, she can't milk it.  They specifically said that the gold reward will be higher for melee, who have to make a larger risk to deal damage with autos. This pleases Taric. Uh, faster way: do you happen to have a link? I'll sort it out myself then.
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On November 14 2012 06:57 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 06:56 Diamond wrote: This Zed guy seems like he could be a sick mid. It's like Kat but a more versatile shunpo and no resets. But resets are the best part of Kat... Plus resourceless > energy.
Well I still think Kat is better, but he seems like he has some similarities that would work.
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On November 14 2012 06:52 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 14 2012 06:49 Alaric wrote:On November 14 2012 06:41 Sufficiency wrote:The one mastery we are adding specifically gold related in Utility is a mastery called "Pickpocket" that grants gold upon attacking an enemy champion. This will allow active supports a bit more gold while harassing their opponents, while also being useful for other character types that spec into deep into Utility. Support Janna weeps. Sona is happy. Ali or Leona? Not that much, esp. sun girl. Whenever she hits something it dies, she can't milk it.  They specifically said that the gold reward will be higher for melee, who have to make a larger risk to deal damage with autos. This pleases Taric.
if this procs as an on-hit, support gp will have 27 back-to-back orgasms
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