• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 22:22
CEST 04:22
KST 11:22
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S Season 1 - RO8 Preview4[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt2: Progenitors8Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun13[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors16[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star10
Community News
Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule !7Weekly Cups (April 27-May 4): Clem takes triple0RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event12Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results12026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers25
StarCraft 2
General
Code S Season 1 - RO8 Preview Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book Weekly Cups (April 27-May 4): Clem takes triple Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results
Tourneys
Maestros of The Game 2 announcement and schedule ! GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players
External Content
Mutation # 524 Death and Taxes The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 523 Firewall Mutation # 522 Flip My Base
Brood War
General
Quality of life changes in BW that you will like ? Tulbo's ASL S21 Ro8 Post-Review Why there arent any 256x256 pro maps? Do we have a pimpest plays list? BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro8 Day 4 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Daigo vs Menard Best of 10 Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread OutLive 25 (RTS Game)
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread UK Politics Mega-thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread The Letting Off Steam Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
How EEG Data Can Predict Gam…
TrAiDoS
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1434 users

[Patch 1.0.0.148: Kha'Zix] General Discussion - Page 144

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 142 143 144 145 146 200 Next
Zhiroo
Profile Joined February 2011
Kosovo2724 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-10 18:27:18
October 10 2012 18:17 GMT
#2861
Hows Diana in the jungle? I want to buy a new jungler but idk wether to choose her or something else.

EDIT: Meh SUN FOREVER I bought Skarner (note: I already have Leona )
LoL EuW: Zhiroo - By starting this squabble you've proven nothing but how vast your stupidity is.
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
October 10 2012 18:26 GMT
#2862
On October 11 2012 03:17 Zhiroo wrote:
Hows Diana in the jungle? I want to buy a new jungler but idk wether to choose her or something else.


I think the general consensus is that she is optimal mid, but her jungle is so fast and easy that it's totally worth it. She requires getting a bit fed as an AP assassin jungler, but she brings some good things to the table as long as you don't need a tank or (hard) initiate.

But hey, she's stupid fun and has multiple potential roles.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
October 10 2012 18:55 GMT
#2863
Okay, I'm curious, how would you guys rate AD Carries right now?

I was thinking something like:

Holy Fuck Why Hasn't it Been Nerfed Yet
Ezreal

Super Strong
Graves, Corki

Strong
Draven, Miss Fortune, Caitlyn

Average
Vayne, Ashe, Sivir, Tristana, Kog'Maw

Weak
Twitch, Varus

Does He Even Count as an AD Carry?
Urgot
Clarity Gaming #1 Fan | Avid MTG Grinder | @VirgilSC2
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
October 10 2012 18:58 GMT
#2864
None of the AD carries are average/weak, it's just that no one bothers playing them but aphro.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
October 10 2012 18:58 GMT
#2865
Sivir is actually pretty strong right now competitively because she pushes towers like no other and her whole kits is perfect for midgame fights (Spellshield, MS+ passive, Ult for your bruiser top/jungle, op Q range poke, W auto resets).
Administrator@TL_Zess
| (• ◡•)|八 (❍ᴥ❍ʋ)
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14115 Posts
October 10 2012 18:59 GMT
#2866
I would move kog up one more after his perfect showing at worlds. On the flipside ez did pretty poorly at worlds.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
wussleeQ
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States3130 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-10 19:00:15
October 10 2012 18:59 GMT
#2867
Countered by draven tier
Ezreal, Graves, Corki, Draven

Rest in order
Ashe, Sivir, Varus, Kog, MF, Trist, Twitch, Cait Urgot

Just imo
BW -> League -> CSGO
Vaporized
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1471 Posts
October 10 2012 19:00 GMT
#2868
varus is a lot better then people give him credit for. i wouldnt pick him against blitz or taric, but against the ad's he outranges he is really good.
Dgiese
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2687 Posts
October 10 2012 19:01 GMT
#2869
On October 11 2012 03:55 VirgilSC2 wrote:
Okay, I'm curious, how would you guys rate AD Carries right now?

I was thinking something like:

Holy Fuck Why Hasn't it Been Nerfed Yet
Ezreal

Super Strong
Graves, Corki

Strong
Draven, Miss Fortune, Caitlyn

Average
Vayne, Ashe, Sivir, Tristana, Kog'Maw

Weak
Twitch, Varus

Does He Even Count as an AD Carry?
Urgot

I rank them (in order):
Ashe
Caitlyn
Corki
Draven
Ezreal
Graves
Kog 'maw
Miss fortune
Sivir
Tristana
Twitch
Urgot
Varus
Vayne
Vaporized
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1471 Posts
October 10 2012 19:03 GMT
#2870
On October 11 2012 03:17 Zhiroo wrote:
Hows Diana in the jungle? I want to buy a new jungler but idk wether to choose her or something else.

EDIT: Meh SUN FOREVER I bought Skarner (note: I already have Leona )

skarner is the best jungler. enjoy.
[DUF]MethodMan
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Germany1716 Posts
October 10 2012 19:03 GMT
#2871
wow, just bought rengar and instant 4-1. such a fun to play champ but grossly op in lane. do you max e instead of w after q? i found myself doing it even in the jungle, most of the damage is coming from your autos anyway, so the little dmg that w has (like 250 at lvl 5?) and the bad scaling on the resists dont seem worth it in my opinion and it has a way longer cd. mid-lategame maxed e does more singletarget damage and provides as a nuke at later stages with sth up to 400dmg with a bt iirc.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 10 2012 19:06 GMT
#2872
Ezreal, Graves, and Corki are powerful by means of having much more powerful midgame teamfight ability than the other carries in a metagame that favors teamcomps geared toward midgame teamfighting. This does not mean they are "better". It means they are more suited to the most popular strategies at the moment.

Every carry still maintains a level of appropriateness in the teamcomps they excel in (well, except Urgot who practically speaking was probably overnerfed). It's just that by and large those teamcomps are not all that common right now.

I'd hesitate to nerf Ezreal/Corki/Graves simply because they're likely to fall out of favor if some other factors shift the metagame toward supporting later-game oriented ADs again.
Moderator
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-10 19:15:59
October 10 2012 19:12 GMT
#2873
I feel like AD Carries break down like this:

-Overall good at every stage of the game, fits with every support and nearly every team comp
Ez, Corki, Graves, maybe Sivir

-Needs to win lane and snowball from there
Draven, MF, Cait

-Needs to survive to late-game and have specific supports/team comps
Vayne, Ashe, Tristana, Kog'Maw

-Kinda weak
Twitch, Urgot, Varus



With all that said...
The third tier seems especially difficult to play in Solo Q, as current popular supports are really aggressive (Leona/Taric/Blitz, possibly Ali if he's not banned).

TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-10 19:24:03
October 10 2012 19:14 GMT
#2874
The one thing that makes Varus look weak is that people are playing him bot lane when his kit is more suited to him being played mid.

On October 11 2012 04:12 kainzero wrote:
With all that said...
The third tier seems especially difficult to play in Solo Q, as current popular supports are really aggressive (Leona/Taric/Blitz, possibly Ali if he's not banned).


Tristana pairs well with aggressive supports. She just has a hole in her teamfighting ability midgame that picks up drastically after she starts completing major items.
Moderator
Zaphod Beeblebrox
Profile Joined December 2010
Denmark697 Posts
October 10 2012 19:18 GMT
#2875
Do not underestimate the rat. Twitch has as much if not more damage potential than Kog or Tristana (Bit lower than Vayne or Draven).
His biggest problem imo is his difficulty in early trades. Lategame he is a monster.
Go try StarBow on the Arcade. TL thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=440661
Eiii
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2566 Posts
October 10 2012 19:21 GMT
#2876
Twitch wins for being most fun carry to play imo
:3
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
October 10 2012 19:22 GMT
#2877
I don't think there's been a worse skin sale than this one. I don't own a single of the heroes that have a skin on sale lool.
www.youtube.com/user/ShakeDrizzle | League and SSBM content creator | Armada's Youtube Editor
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 10 2012 19:24 GMT
#2878
On October 11 2012 03:55 VirgilSC2 wrote:
Okay, I'm curious, how would you guys rate AD Carries right now?

I was thinking something like:

Holy Fuck Why Hasn't it Been Nerfed Yet
Ezreal

Super Strong
Graves, Corki

Strong
Draven, Miss Fortune, Caitlyn

Average
Vayne, Ashe, Sivir, Tristana, Kog'Maw

Weak
Twitch, Varus

Does He Even Count as an AD Carry?
Urgot

Twitch is pretty strong, Aphro's twitch regularly carries.
liftlift > tsm
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-10 19:56:05
October 10 2012 19:54 GMT
#2879
On October 11 2012 04:12 kainzero wrote:
I feel like AD Carries break down like this:

-Overall good at every stage of the game, fits with every support and nearly every team comp
Ez, Corki, Graves, maybe Sivir

-Needs to win lane and snowball from there
Draven, MF, Cait

-Needs to survive to late-game and have specific supports/team comps
Vayne, Ashe, Tristana, Kog'Maw

-Kinda weak
Twitch, Urgot, Varus



With all that said...
The third tier seems especially difficult to play in Solo Q, as current popular supports are really aggressive (Leona/Taric/Blitz, possibly Ali if he's not banned).



This is the closest to my "tier" list. Ez is not the best because he is "the best" he is the best because he is the safest. That said,Vayne's lategame is IMO not strong enough to justify her weak earlygame.

Edit.

To clarify on Vayne, I think Vayne late is strong, just not hypercarry enough for the earlygame struggles (and also can't AOE farm even lategame, which hurts).
Freeeeeeedom
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 10 2012 20:07 GMT
#2880
Vayne could AoE farm if any of the items that should be AoE farm items were actually good enough at it to be worth buying (Spark, Tiamat).
Moderator
Prev 1 142 143 144 145 146 200 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
00:00
2026 GSL S1: Ro8 Group A
CranKy Ducklings62
EnkiAlexander 43
Liquipedia
OSC
22:00
OSC Elite Rising Star #19
davetesta117
Liquipedia
The PiG Daily
21:20
Best Games of SC
Maru vs TBD
Maru vs Classic
herO vs Solar
ByuN vs Solar
PiGStarcraft499
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft499
RuFF_SC2 140
NeuroSwarm 112
StarCraft: Brood War
NaDa 35
Sea.KH 25
Dota 2
monkeys_forever435
Counter-Strike
Doublelift2201
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox699
Other Games
gofns13569
tarik_tv8993
summit1g3524
JimRising 367
C9.Mang0356
WinterStarcraft199
ViBE86
Nathanias7
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick2476
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• RyuSc2 24
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki26
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Upcoming Events
CranKy Ducklings
7h 38m
RSL Revival
7h 38m
SHIN vs Bunny
ByuN vs Shameless
WardiTV Invitational
8h 38m
Krystianer vs TriGGeR
Cure vs Rogue
SC Evo League
10h 38m
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
12h 38m
BSL
16h 38m
Artosis vs TerrOr
spx vs StRyKeR
Replay Cast
21h 38m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 7h
RSL Revival
1d 7h
Cure vs Zoun
Clem vs Lambo
WardiTV Invitational
1d 8h
[ Show More ]
BSL
1d 16h
Dewalt vs DragOn
Aether vs Jimin
GSL
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Soma vs Leta
Wardi Open
2 days
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
OSC
2 days
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Light vs Flash
Replay Cast
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
The PondCast
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S2: W6
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
Acropolis #4
KK 2v2 League Season 1
SCTL 2026 Spring
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2

Upcoming

BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
YSL S3
Escore Tournament S2: W7
Escore Tournament S2: W8
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026: Closed Qualifier
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.