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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
Would appreciate if someone could link them to me. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
Mpen Red HP/lvl Yellow AP/lvl Blue Spell Vamp Quint 9/21/0 Still formative though in terms of playing, only done it once. worked out pretty well. but needs more work. | ||
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koreasilver
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
All 9/21/0 and 21/0/9 and 21/9/0 are viable, imo. I like to build him Cata/Chalice>Cata/chalice>RoA>Athene after the patch. Rylais, Abyssal or Zhonya after. | ||
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Vlanitak
Norway3045 Posts
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ManyCookies
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
On May 25 2012 03:35 ManyCookies wrote: I don't know. Hourglass is FAR too important of a mid-game item on Swain. The mana sustain/CDR/MR is all well and good, but I'd much rather have my 2 second timeout/defocus in teamfights. Well, what do you think he should build second, assuming he went RoA? I always try and Rylai's so that I become close to an off-tank in terms of health. Usually finish with anywhere between 2600-3300 health depending on how well I did. | ||
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
On May 25 2012 03:35 ManyCookies wrote: I don't know. Hourglass is FAR too important of a mid-game item on Swain. The mana sustain/CDR/MR is all well and good, but I'd much rather have my 2 second timeout/defocus in teamfights. Farm more and afford both items then. I probably wouldn't get Athene's if I'm already losing, true enough On May 25 2012 03:52 Cloud9157 wrote: Well, what do you think he should build second, assuming he went RoA? I always try and Rylai's so that I become close to an off-tank in terms of health. Usually finish with anywhere between 2600-3300 health depending on how well I did. He's talking about Zhonya 2nd item and skipping my Athene's, not skipping RoA. RoA best in slot item for swain definitely | ||
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
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Cloud9157
United States2968 Posts
On May 25 2012 03:52 OutlaW- wrote: Farm more and afford both items then. I probably wouldn't get Athene's if I'm already losing, true enough He's talking about Zhonya 2nd item and skipping my Athene's, not skipping RoA. RoA best in slot item for swain definitely I meant myself, sorry. If I build RoA first, is Zhonya's the better item over Rylai's? Thats what I was wondering. | ||
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danana
United States321 Posts
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koreasilver
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On May 25 2012 03:52 Cloud9157 wrote: Well, what do you think he should build second, assuming he went RoA? I always try and Rylai's so that I become close to an off-tank in terms of health. Usually finish with anywhere between 2600-3300 health depending on how well I did. I always feel tankier with roa -> zhonya than with roa -> rylai. The zhonya active is just way too good with Swain's ult. At the point where you've finished roa, resists help with your survivability a lot more than more health. Having that much health gives you a very deceptive sense of tankiness as you sorely lack resistances. On top of that, I don't think the rylai slow is that great on Swain since you already have a strong slow, an aoe stun, and the slow that you might get on your ult isn't really that great because it counts as an aoe spell. Zhonya gives you more damage and survivability. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
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ManyCookies
1164 Posts
On May 25 2012 03:52 OutlaW- wrote: Farm more and afford both items then. Well no shit sherlock. That's the answer to every opprotunity cost problem, aquire more assets so you don't have an opprotunity cost! If I build RoA first, is Zhonya's the better item over Rylai's? Thats what I was wondering. Yes. With RoA, your health pool is large enough to stabiize through the intital AoE spam, or if you're focused, enough time to activate Zhonya's. In addition to nice amount of Armour and AP, Zhonya's active is just amazing on Swain. It defocuses, it takes off some Ignite/Exhaust time, it gives a nice amount of Ult time back, it burns some time before your cycle is up again. It's just too much of an asset not to get 2nd or 3rd item. | ||
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OutlaW-
Czech Republic5053 Posts
On May 25 2012 04:02 koreasilver wrote: I always feel tankier with roa -> zhonya than with roa -> rylai. The zhonya active is just way too good with Swain's ult. At the point where you've finished roa, resists help with your survivability a lot more than more health. Having that much health gives you a very deceptive sense of tankiness as you sorely lack resistances. On top of that, I don't think the rylai slow is that great on Swain since you already have a strong slow, an aoe stun, and the slow that you might get on your ult isn't really that great because it counts as an aoe spell. Zhonya gives you more damage and survivability. I agree, I don't like Rylai unless their team is very true damage centric (i dont think this has happened yet ever to me) I used to go RoA > Abyssal / zhonya > abyssal / zhonya | ||
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JackDino
Gabon6219 Posts
On May 25 2012 04:02 danana wrote: Why do people get RoA so religiously on Swain? I agree that it's good on him, but I feel like he gets so much healing from his ult that he should favor resists over HP - and he has plenty of good sources of resists too, like Zhonyas, Abyssal, Chalice/Athenes, etc. Zhonyas and abyssal dont give mana, which is good on a champ like swain. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On May 25 2012 03:18 OutlaW- wrote: I don't like it. Spell vamp quints are quite terrible on him, as his spellvamp comes from his ulti's damage, it doesn't add him lifesteal. You also don't really want to build WotA on him, it's a big waste compared to other items. I guess yellows are up to preference, but I prefer AP/lvl as I'm going to be taking MR blues for the survavibility. Quints I go AP but MS work nicely, too. All 9/21/0 and 21/0/9 and 21/9/0 are viable, imo. I like to build him Cata/Chalice>Cata/chalice>RoA>Athene after the patch. Rylais, Abyssal or Zhonya after. the idea is swain as a top character lacks early sustain and the extra 6% spellvamp gives him +100 hp on every trade, which is pretty significant in top lane where trades happen fairly frequently. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
Not QQ, just a social observation. | ||
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