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On April 26 2012 00:34 sharky246 wrote:
^no i am not talking about the game. I am talking about "the crap that hotshotgg and becca pulled in korea" thing.
I won't go into specifics but let's just say the way they handled the entire stay in korea was very poor and irresponsible. And I really mean the entire trip and every aspect of it.
As an organization when you plan something like this, you wanna take care of everything, organize it will and plan it well. I am sure fnatics organization did this much better because they have so much experience with esports in general.
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On April 25 2012 21:37 StUfF wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 21:33 Itsmedudeman wrote:On April 25 2012 21:32 nehcnhoj wrote:
hotshot after hannover "i need to learn more champions" 1 month later at ipl. plays same champions. comes all the way to korea. plays same champions.
Besides his nidalee, he doesn't play any aggresive champions. even his olaf almost always becomes a support / tank defensive line. If your top lane has almost no potential for aggresive snow-ball champions you lose so many options as a team. At this point even his swain would have been a good pick over what he played in a few games. Imo honestly, split-pushing champs are good when you dominate in pushing and 1v1 matchups over every member the other team can send to stop you, but with the current meta of fast pushing junglers and him being less dominant in lane (yes he did increase the cs gap against the talon, but alot of other way more aggresive / mobile tops could have even exp-zone'd the talon at that point.)
all of this is just my 5am opinion though ;;;
Umm, he did say that, but I think their main goal after IPL was that chauster starts to play top as well. Only problem is hotshot's support, which is beyond bad if you ask me, and they might not want to switch things up mid tournament. TBH that's chauster's opinion. He's been saying they should go Champ specific for a while now, but egos on team means no one listens to each other and they kinda just cruise by solo queue mentality. The fact they got IPL5 second probably didn't help, they need to really start losing and more importantly lose popularity before they start giving a shit and try to win?
It seems like Western LoL teams think Solo queue is practice? This mentality seems very strange to me if it's true. I assume Koreans do their normal hardcore training which will always yield better results. I hope I'm wrong or we'll be seeing BW int scene all over again :<
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On April 26 2012 00:50 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 25 2012 21:37 StUfF wrote:On April 25 2012 21:33 Itsmedudeman wrote:On April 25 2012 21:32 nehcnhoj wrote:
hotshot after hannover "i need to learn more champions" 1 month later at ipl. plays same champions. comes all the way to korea. plays same champions.
Besides his nidalee, he doesn't play any aggresive champions. even his olaf almost always becomes a support / tank defensive line. If your top lane has almost no potential for aggresive snow-ball champions you lose so many options as a team. At this point even his swain would have been a good pick over what he played in a few games. Imo honestly, split-pushing champs are good when you dominate in pushing and 1v1 matchups over every member the other team can send to stop you, but with the current meta of fast pushing junglers and him being less dominant in lane (yes he did increase the cs gap against the talon, but alot of other way more aggresive / mobile tops could have even exp-zone'd the talon at that point.)
all of this is just my 5am opinion though ;;;
Umm, he did say that, but I think their main goal after IPL was that chauster starts to play top as well. Only problem is hotshot's support, which is beyond bad if you ask me, and they might not want to switch things up mid tournament. TBH that's chauster's opinion. He's been saying they should go Champ specific for a while now, but egos on team means no one listens to each other and they kinda just cruise by solo queue mentality. The fact they got IPL5 second probably didn't help, they need to really start losing and more importantly lose popularity before they start giving a shit and try to win? It seems like Western LoL teams think Solo queue is practice? This mentality seems very strange to me if it's true. I assume Koreans do their normal hardcore training which will always yield better results. I hope I'm wrong or we'll be seeing BW int scene all over again :<
They think it is practice, and it is in a way, just not very efficient practice and it will only take you so far, but the main reason for the focus on solo queue is because of the streaming and viewers and the "money". I put money in quotes because sites like owned.tv aren't paying everyone they owe money too, they are just hoping the hype of paying a few players makes the site so big that they generate enough money to eventually pay everyone. But i think that is mainly just owned.tv
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On April 26 2012 00:49 robertdinh wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 00:34 sharky246 wrote:
^no i am not talking about the game. I am talking about "the crap that hotshotgg and becca pulled in korea" thing. I won't go into specifics but let's just say the way they handled the entire stay in korea was very poor and irresponsible. And I really mean the entire trip and every aspect of it. As an organization when you plan something like this, you wanna take care of everything, organize it will and plan it well. I am sure fnatics organization did this much better because they have so much experience with esports in general.
I am really confused, what did they actually do? Can you please go into specifics?
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On April 26 2012 00:57 Flobby wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 00:49 robertdinh wrote:On April 26 2012 00:34 sharky246 wrote:
^no i am not talking about the game. I am talking about "the crap that hotshotgg and becca pulled in korea" thing. I won't go into specifics but let's just say the way they handled the entire stay in korea was very poor and irresponsible. And I really mean the entire trip and every aspect of it. As an organization when you plan something like this, you wanna take care of everything, organize it will and plan it well. I am sure fnatics organization did this much better because they have so much experience with esports in general. I am really confused, what did they actually do? Can you please go into specifics?
Yea it's far worse implying things then just saying what happened. Often imagination is far worse than reality.
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Considering CLG doesnt have the long professional experiance of something like fnatic you can hardly blame them for not having everything sorted out when they left for korea. There is a whole lot of things you need to handle, esp when your talking about a bunch of teenages doing something for the first time.
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I imagine the guy can't spit the entire thing out. Getting an idea is better than no idea.
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On April 26 2012 01:02 Gorsameth wrote:
Considering CLG doesnt have the long professional experiance of something like fnatic you can hardly blame them for not having everything sorted out when they left for korea. There is a whole lot of things you need to handle, esp when your talking about a bunch of teenages doing something for the first time.
None of them are teenagers. They are all adults  And they also had a manager.
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On April 26 2012 01:13 0123456789 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 01:02 Gorsameth wrote:
Considering CLG doesnt have the long professional experiance of something like fnatic you can hardly blame them for not having everything sorted out when they left for korea. There is a whole lot of things you need to handle, esp when your talking about a bunch of teenages doing something for the first time. None of them are teenagers. They are all adults And they also had a manager.
Only in name, and inexperience or not, as a human being you should at least attempt to understand the logistics of things like moving a bunch of people over to korea for a few months.
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zzz felt sorta akward doing casting
could ppl list things i should fix or do when casting?
anyways i talked to coach and he said i can cast blaze vs op/fnatic if we 3:0 storm
gonna work hard cuz i wanna cast blaze's game haha
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u forgot your shoutout to Yiruru for carrying you out of elo hell
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Does anyone know about how long it takes for Korean VoDs to surface? I'm assuming it's going to be a little while yet seeing as it's 4:19am in Korea but I wanna watch Talon in a pro game.
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Thanks for the cast loco. It was great. You added so much to the whole discussion. Mole and torch alone are ... Not as good. Thanks for your work and good luck in semis.
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On April 26 2012 03:17 locodoco wrote:
zzz felt sorta akward doing casting
could ppl list things i should fix or do when casting?
anyways i talked to coach and he said i can cast blaze vs op/fnatic if we 3:0 storm
gonna work hard cuz i wanna cast blaze's game haha
thank you sooo much for your commentary. plz keep doing it if you have time to spare and you're not training.
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On April 26 2012 04:29 SirBlackJack wrote:
Thanks for the cast loco. It was great. You added so much to the whole discussion. Mole and torch alone are ... Not as good. Thanks for your work and good luck in semis.
Agreed, thanks loco - you were fantastic!
Also, does MiG stream ever? Would love to watch some games..
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Seems like people here are sleeping on Team OP. I have very low expectations of fnatic's performance for that match as they're going to be the underdogs.
Also, great commentary loco and that english interview was awesome.
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loco you casted very well,hope you come for some other games
On April 26 2012 04:20 Flicky wrote:
Does anyone know about how long it takes for Korean VoDs to surface? I'm assuming it's going to be a little while yet seeing as it's 4:19am in Korea but I wanna watch Talon in a pro game.
No idea, checked youku/tuduo and nothing has surfaced..
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Add tidbits of personal experience during lulls of the game, like how you got to draw hotshotgg like one of your french girls. Or maybe something straight out of locodoco lore. On the real though, keep adding high elo commentary. It's expected from you coming from the top team in this tournament. Maybe it'll trickle down into Moletrap's and Torch's commentary (shove it down their fucking throats!) because it's hard to ignore how factually wrong their commentary (Torch in particular :s) is some times. Build suspense with your commentary, talk about mindsets and how fuckin nervous they might be (maknoonthrowtrolololol)
Edit: <3
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On April 26 2012 06:49 R04R wrote:Add tidbits of personal experience during lulls of the game, like how you got to draw hotshotgg like one of your french girls. Or maybe something straight out of locodoco lore. On the real though, keep adding high elo commentary. It's expected from you coming from the top team in this tournament. Maybe it'll trickle down into Moletrap's and Torch's commentary (shove it down their fucking throats!) because it's hard to ignore how factually wrong their commentary (Torch in particular :s) is some times. Build suspense with your commentary, talk about mindsets and how fuckin nervous they might be (maknoonthrowtrolololol) Edit: <3
thanks for posting this gem ro4r. at least i now know why most korean players aren't streaming. probably got warned by locodoco that this could happen. XD
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On April 26 2012 00:49 robertdinh wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2012 00:34 sharky246 wrote:
^no i am not talking about the game. I am talking about "the crap that hotshotgg and becca pulled in korea" thing. I won't go into specifics but let's just say the way they handled the entire stay in korea was very poor and irresponsible. And I really mean the entire trip and every aspect of it. As an organization when you plan something like this, you wanna take care of everything, organize it will and plan it well. I am sure fnatics organization did this much better because they have so much experience with esports in general.
see, now im curious about the specifics. if it were something like "becca forgot to buy plane tickets" or whatever, thats good for a laugh. but to say "the entire trip and every aspect of it" is to tease us >
you should share, i love reading and hearing behind-the-scenes stuff
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