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Same rules apply, per usual. Please use the appropriate threads (QQ, Brag, Champion, etc) whenever appropriate. Keep the resident Banling content.

Thanks. Happy Gaming.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
February 17 2012 21:49 GMT
#1241
Urgot says: "Hi Kog. I ult. You're dead."
Counterpicking, huehue.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
February 17 2012 21:54 GMT
#1242
On February 18 2012 06:49 Alaric wrote:
Urgot says: "Hi Kog. I ult. You're dead."
Counterpicking, huehue.


I just got home so I'm not really watching the scrim but I wouldn't consider Urgot a counter to Kog. Kog's range means that Urgot should never get into ult range of Kog. Especially if the rest of his team are doing their jobs.
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-17 22:04:10
February 17 2012 22:00 GMT
#1243
I wasn't watching Doublelift's lane but he got killed a few times by Urgot in lane without ganks. CLG NA in a big lead now. They took Baron then used it to mid inhib and took two or three towers. Now they aced CLG EU in jungle, CLG EU surrenders.

Doublelift commenting that Urgot does shit on Kog, "Now we learned something" -Sv
It was an Urgot, sona vs Janna Kog btw.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-17 22:06:47
February 17 2012 22:02 GMT
#1244
On February 18 2012 07:00 BlackMagister wrote:
I wasn't watching Doublelift's lane but he got killed a few times by Urgot in lane without ganks. CLG NA in a big lead now. They took Baron then used it to mid inhib and took two or three towers.


Yeah, like I said, I didn't watch scrim so I could be wrong but I don't even know how Urgot's gonna swap Kog if you play smart. Maybe if he flashes.

Basically, if Urgot is Kog counter 'cause of his ult then Urgot should be considered a counter to pretty much every AD carry because pretty much no one can outrange Kog. I guess like Trist or Corki can use their Ws to help escape but...if Urgot ult = counter to Kog'Maw I don't really see how it isn't an insta-counter to pretty much every AD. But Doublelift is smarter than me at this game and I didn't watch the scrim.
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
February 17 2012 22:05 GMT
#1245
sona slow? using bushes?
Hey! Listen!
Terranasaur
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2085 Posts
February 17 2012 22:06 GMT
#1246
Ya. It wasn't that impressive of a game. I was surprised at how badly Wikd's Irelia got beat top lane.
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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17250 Posts
February 17 2012 22:12 GMT
#1247
Urgot's whole goal in life is to be a bully in lane since he's weaker than standard AD's out of lane. That said, who cares if Kog'maw has a long range ult? You don't sit there farming with Kog's ult: you use auto-attacks just like everyone else.
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TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
February 17 2012 22:13 GMT
#1248
On February 18 2012 07:06 Terranasaur wrote:
Ya. It wasn't that impressive of a game. I was surprised at how badly Wikd's Irelia got beat top lane.


Wickd was owning HSGG because irelia owns Cho. Saint camped his lane and ganked him like 4 times before the laneswap and Irelia was STILL their most farmed and strongest champ (as seen by them focusing Irelia in every teamfight).
Remember Violet.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
February 17 2012 22:16 GMT
#1249
On February 18 2012 07:12 Craton wrote:
Urgot's whole goal in life is to be a bully in lane since he's weaker than standard AD's out of lane. That said, who cares if Kog'maw has a long range ult? You don't sit there farming with Kog's ult: you use auto-attacks just like everyone else.


It isn't just Kog ult, it's his W range too. Which was my point. If Urgot's ult = counter to the AD carry with the most range then I don't see how it isn't also considered a counter to most AD carry bottoms. Kog should be able to safely farm with W and R in lane against Urgot just like lots of AD carries who have less range can safely farm against Urgot in lane.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-17 22:20:18
February 17 2012 22:18 GMT
#1250
Kog can't keep his W up indefinitely to last hit. Sometimes there are creeps you need to hit while W is on cooldown. Kog's range is shit without W and that's where Urgot bullies him. And Urgot's q is still 1000 range, even with W up Kog can't outrange that. Urgot's ult is the ultimate trap skill and Kog'Maw has no escapes in that situation as his slow is useless when he's infront of them. It's a clean counterpick to put Urgot vs someone who can't escape if he does land ulti.
Remember Violet.
-Zoda-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
France3578 Posts
February 17 2012 22:19 GMT
#1251
On February 18 2012 07:13 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2012 07:06 Terranasaur wrote:
Ya. It wasn't that impressive of a game. I was surprised at how badly Wikd's Irelia got beat top lane.


Wickd was owning HSGG because irelia owns Cho. Saint camped his lane and ganked him like 4 times before the laneswap and Irelia was STILL their most farmed and strongest champ (as seen by them focusing Irelia in every teamfight).

That's kind of disappointing they still can't properly counter Wicked in lane since he always plays the same champ...
♪ 最初はi つなぐdo それ つまりlife 常に移動 ♪ - IGN: Uhryks
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
February 17 2012 22:21 GMT
#1252
On February 18 2012 07:19 -Zoda- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2012 07:13 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On February 18 2012 07:06 Terranasaur wrote:
Ya. It wasn't that impressive of a game. I was surprised at how badly Wikd's Irelia got beat top lane.


Wickd was owning HSGG because irelia owns Cho. Saint camped his lane and ganked him like 4 times before the laneswap and Irelia was STILL their most farmed and strongest champ (as seen by them focusing Irelia in every teamfight).

That's kind of disappointing they still can't properly counter Wicked in lane since he always plays the same champ...


They could pick GP to counter Irelia easily. They're trying to practice their comps with Cho, these games aren't necessarily about winning but getting teamwork with certain champions down.
Remember Violet.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
February 17 2012 22:22 GMT
#1253
Can't Cho more or less brush off Irelia's harass post-6 thanks to his free HP against her W?
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
February 17 2012 22:24 GMT
#1254
Maybe a stupid irelia. She can just start beating on him with true damage and Cho can't really retaliate when he goes for last hits. You have to be ultra aggressive in irelia vs cho.
Remember Violet.
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-17 22:31:37
February 17 2012 22:25 GMT
#1255
On February 18 2012 07:06 Terranasaur wrote:
Ya. It wasn't that impressive of a game. I was surprised at how badly Wikd's Irelia got beat top lane.

I was more impressed how odd his build was and how well he still did. Zerker's (which make sense against Cho, considering he runs 21 in defense), Phage, Wit's, 2 Ruby Crystals. What's with people's obsession with these things nowadays anyway? They don't give all that much EHP. Meh.

On February 18 2012 07:19 -Zoda- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2012 07:13 TwoToneTerran wrote:
On February 18 2012 07:06 Terranasaur wrote:
Ya. It wasn't that impressive of a game. I was surprised at how badly Wikd's Irelia got beat top lane.


Wickd was owning HSGG because irelia owns Cho. Saint camped his lane and ganked him like 4 times before the laneswap and Irelia was STILL their most farmed and strongest champ (as seen by them focusing Irelia in every teamfight).

That's kind of disappointing they still can't properly counter Wicked in lane since he always plays the same champ...


That's not fair, though. He does play Riven and Trynd and... Yeah, that's about it I think



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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
February 17 2012 22:32 GMT
#1256
On February 18 2012 07:22 Alaric wrote:
Can't Cho more or less brush off Irelia's harass post-6 thanks to his free HP against her W?

At best it becomes a stalemated lane, which favors Irelia because she becomes a much larger threat with free-farm that Cho does.
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
February 17 2012 22:36 GMT
#1257
I never really had problems against GP either, running armor yellows and quints, going cloth+5 into wriggles, and 21-9-0 to get the +6 armor bonus. Were those GPs that bad if they didn't beat this?
There were no critplanks, obviously. Otherwise I'd probably have been pushed out of lane before 5. x)
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
February 17 2012 22:39 GMT
#1258
Oh man, Jiji the mvp of these scrims. Making all the big plays.
Remember Violet.
Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
February 17 2012 22:46 GMT
#1259
CLG.na finally winning scrims, about time.

Galio support real OP
"trash micro but win - its marine" MC commentary during HSC 4
clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
February 17 2012 23:04 GMT
#1260
On February 18 2012 07:32 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2012 07:22 Alaric wrote:
Can't Cho more or less brush off Irelia's harass post-6 thanks to his free HP against her W?

At best it becomes a stalemated lane, which favors Irelia because she becomes a much larger threat with free-farm that Cho does.


i doubt that ire is stronger everytime in a free farm situation compared to cho. I think this monster is up there on the list of insane lategame power. champion wise that is.
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