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Same rules apply, per usual. Please use the appropriate threads (QQ, Brag, Champion, etc) whenever appropriate. Keep the resident Banling content.

Thanks. Happy Gaming.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
February 27 2012 18:14 GMT
#3261
On February 28 2012 03:06 sob3k wrote:
Holy shit, I just tried Fizz for 4 games. HE IS AMAZING! I haven't had this much fun forever, that freaking dodge is on like a 4 second CD, insane burst and great mobility.

Really sweet, It just sucks that I'd be really reluctant to play him in ranked against anyone good, just seems like laning vs a ranged mid who played conservatively without a serious jungle support would be a nightmare. I didnt realize how absurd his damage is, its like far better than akali.

From what I've played him, Fizz's problem is that he gets raped in lane by everything. However if you somehow survive to 6 you can generally burst the opponent and proceed to being annoying, still even in fights he's a really squishy melee. Really need to utilize E well. Also the CD imo is quite long actually, nowhere near 4sec.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
February 27 2012 18:18 GMT
#3262
On February 28 2012 03:07 gtrsrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2012 01:45 Sven Stryker wrote:
According to the tooltip, if you use the Trickster part of Playful/Trickster, you can move but lose the slow.


it applies a slow, but the slow from playful is stronger


Are you sure? The wiki claims Trickster doesn't apply a slow.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
Schwopzi
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands954 Posts
February 27 2012 18:19 GMT
#3263
On February 28 2012 02:06 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
I've been gone a few days before the Graves patch. I was 1570~ELO when I quit. Could you guys give me a quick rundown of what champs are considered solid picks for top/mid/bot/jungle, or any other stuff I need to be aware off. Thanks a bunch. This is BouBou.865 by the way.

I used to play:
Nasus/rumble/Renekton/Kennen solo top
Kennen/Annie mid
Cait/vayne//Soraka/taric/alis bot
Udyr/Warwick jungle

Any suggestions on what to add/remove from this line-up? RP is no problem.

All still viable.
As solo mid I recommend adding lux. Because lux is king.

But I'd say that atm any champion is viable (except for eve i guess) in solo queue. You just got to learn how to play against the new heroes that came out and it's all good.
Only the dead have seen the end of war
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
February 27 2012 18:22 GMT
#3264
On February 28 2012 02:06 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
I've been gone a few days before the Graves patch. I was 1570~ELO when I quit. Could you guys give me a quick rundown of what champs are considered solid picks for top/mid/bot/jungle, or any other stuff I need to be aware off. Thanks a bunch. This is BouBou.865 by the way.

I used to play:
Nasus/rumble/Renekton/Kennen solo top
Kennen/Annie mid
Cait/vayne//Soraka/taric/alis bot
Udyr/Warwick jungle

Any suggestions on what to add/remove from this line-up? RP is no problem.

Those are all still really solid picks. I don't now how often Nasus is seen at high ELO, but he does well if left alone for the most part. Taric kinda sucks past mid game with his change, but he's still good. WW is absurd now, imo.


On February 28 2012 03:06 sob3k wrote:
Holy shit, I just tried Fizz for 4 games. HE IS AMAZING! I haven't had this much fun forever, that freaking dodge is on like a 4 second CD, insane burst and great mobility.

Really sweet, It just sucks that I'd be really reluctant to play him in ranked against anyone good, just seems like laning vs a ranged mid who played conservatively without a serious jungle support would be a nightmare. I didnt realize how absurd his damage is, its like far better than akali.

I dunno, he's kind of hit or miss mid. Against some champs he just gets to do whatever he wants and dominate, others shut him down like no tomorrow. He's a boss early/mid game, but I feel like his damage doesn't scale well into the later stages and he becomes a ult bot that just sits on and harasses carries.
It's your boy Guzma!
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
February 27 2012 18:34 GMT
#3265
Is it or is not possible to get through the bottom lane thick island near tribrush and the mirror island block top lane near that tribrush with flash? Do you need to actually touch the wall to work or is it not even possible?
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-27 18:38:39
February 27 2012 18:38 GMT
#3266
It is. But not from every point, so you can miss.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Schwopzi
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands954 Posts
February 27 2012 18:39 GMT
#3267
On February 28 2012 03:14 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2012 03:06 sob3k wrote:
Holy shit, I just tried Fizz for 4 games. HE IS AMAZING! I haven't had this much fun forever, that freaking dodge is on like a 4 second CD, insane burst and great mobility.

Really sweet, It just sucks that I'd be really reluctant to play him in ranked against anyone good, just seems like laning vs a ranged mid who played conservatively without a serious jungle support would be a nightmare. I didnt realize how absurd his damage is, its like far better than akali.

From what I've played him, Fizz's problem is that he gets raped in lane by everything. However if you somehow survive to 6 you can generally burst the opponent and proceed to being annoying, still even in fights he's a really squishy melee. Really need to utilize E well. Also the CD imo is quite long actually, nowhere near 4sec.


Actually if you play him properly he absolutly rapes skillshot based champs & champs with travel time on their nukes (think lux, anivia etc). It's basically impossible to win vs point & click insta dmg heroes though.
At level 6 he can 100-0 basically anything that didn't build tank and becomes incredibly fun to play (the vision from R is awesome, allowing you to Q through walls to kill ppl that flash when ulted =D).
It feels like he needs another AP in the team though, someone that can provide aoe damage/control on demand. Else you're just too squishy to do actual damage beyond your ult and a Q in a teamfight.

Enough thoughts about fizz, feel free to bump the fizz tread if you want some discussion on specific matchups.
Only the dead have seen the end of war
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
February 27 2012 18:55 GMT
#3268
On February 28 2012 03:14 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2012 03:06 sob3k wrote:
Holy shit, I just tried Fizz for 4 games. HE IS AMAZING! I haven't had this much fun forever, that freaking dodge is on like a 4 second CD, insane burst and great mobility.

Really sweet, It just sucks that I'd be really reluctant to play him in ranked against anyone good, just seems like laning vs a ranged mid who played conservatively without a serious jungle support would be a nightmare. I didnt realize how absurd his damage is, its like far better than akali.

From what I've played him, Fizz's problem is that he gets raped in lane by everything. However if you somehow survive to 6 you can generally burst the opponent and proceed to being annoying, still even in fights he's a really squishy melee. Really need to utilize E well. Also the CD imo is quite long actually, nowhere near 4sec.


Its 8 seconds at max rank, so 4.8 second CD at max CDR.

So who would be a good matchup for fizz? Someone I could counterpick using him.
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
February 27 2012 18:59 GMT
#3269
On February 28 2012 03:55 sob3k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2012 03:14 Shikyo wrote:
On February 28 2012 03:06 sob3k wrote:
Holy shit, I just tried Fizz for 4 games. HE IS AMAZING! I haven't had this much fun forever, that freaking dodge is on like a 4 second CD, insane burst and great mobility.

Really sweet, It just sucks that I'd be really reluctant to play him in ranked against anyone good, just seems like laning vs a ranged mid who played conservatively without a serious jungle support would be a nightmare. I didnt realize how absurd his damage is, its like far better than akali.

From what I've played him, Fizz's problem is that he gets raped in lane by everything. However if you somehow survive to 6 you can generally burst the opponent and proceed to being annoying, still even in fights he's a really squishy melee. Really need to utilize E well. Also the CD imo is quite long actually, nowhere near 4sec.


Its 8 seconds at max rank, so 4.8 second CD at max CDR.

So who would be a good matchup for fizz? Someone I could counterpick using him.

I've heard that Fizz is good vs. spammy skillshot mid champs like cass, karthus, and ziggs. I've only really played him as a bruiser top and in that role he only does well vs. sustain lanes really, but he does seem to trade favorably with sustain laners because of his W.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
sob3k
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States7572 Posts
February 27 2012 19:04 GMT
#3270
On February 28 2012 03:59 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2012 03:55 sob3k wrote:
On February 28 2012 03:14 Shikyo wrote:
On February 28 2012 03:06 sob3k wrote:
Holy shit, I just tried Fizz for 4 games. HE IS AMAZING! I haven't had this much fun forever, that freaking dodge is on like a 4 second CD, insane burst and great mobility.

Really sweet, It just sucks that I'd be really reluctant to play him in ranked against anyone good, just seems like laning vs a ranged mid who played conservatively without a serious jungle support would be a nightmare. I didnt realize how absurd his damage is, its like far better than akali.

From what I've played him, Fizz's problem is that he gets raped in lane by everything. However if you somehow survive to 6 you can generally burst the opponent and proceed to being annoying, still even in fights he's a really squishy melee. Really need to utilize E well. Also the CD imo is quite long actually, nowhere near 4sec.


Its 8 seconds at max rank, so 4.8 second CD at max CDR.

So who would be a good matchup for fizz? Someone I could counterpick using him.

I've heard that Fizz is good vs. spammy skillshot mid champs like cass, karthus, and ziggs. I've only really played him as a bruiser top and in that role he only does well vs. sustain lanes really, but he does seem to trade favorably with sustain laners because of his W.


Why would he be good vs spammy skillshot like cass/ziggs? He cant trickster all that spam....seems like you'd want to go vs not spammy at all like brand/lux/veigar
In Hungry Hungry Hippos there are no such constraints—one can constantly attempt to collect marbles with one’s hippo, limited only by one’s hippo-levering capabilities.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
February 27 2012 19:04 GMT
#3271
Morgana. If she manages to play safe enough until level 5 to be able to pool then pull (...) back, she'll be annoying. But Playful/Trickster ensure that you catch here at a whim, while also allowing you to avoid her Q and/or her ult's second tick. She has long cooldowns so she can't compete in harass either, and you just go once to bait her shield, then you come back once your shit's off cd and there's nothing she can do.

It's an extremely frustrating and boring match-up for Morg if the Fizz player knows what he's doing. I guess you can tell the same for most long cd and/or skillshot based champs, tho...
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-27 19:06:13
February 27 2012 19:05 GMT
#3272
On February 28 2012 03:55 sob3k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2012 03:14 Shikyo wrote:
On February 28 2012 03:06 sob3k wrote:
Holy shit, I just tried Fizz for 4 games. HE IS AMAZING! I haven't had this much fun forever, that freaking dodge is on like a 4 second CD, insane burst and great mobility.

Really sweet, It just sucks that I'd be really reluctant to play him in ranked against anyone good, just seems like laning vs a ranged mid who played conservatively without a serious jungle support would be a nightmare. I didnt realize how absurd his damage is, its like far better than akali.

From what I've played him, Fizz's problem is that he gets raped in lane by everything. However if you somehow survive to 6 you can generally burst the opponent and proceed to being annoying, still even in fights he's a really squishy melee. Really need to utilize E well. Also the CD imo is quite long actually, nowhere near 4sec.


Its 8 seconds at max rank, so 4.8 second CD at max CDR.

So who would be a good matchup for fizz? Someone I could counterpick using him.

I mostly play him in jungle, he's not great but decent and really fun. I tried mid vs cassio. I've never been raped so hard. Really never. I also faced a ryze top, it's a mindgame of when he will W you, but ryze is quite readable. However fizz's attack anim and his W passive makes it hard to farm.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
Terranasaur
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2085 Posts
February 27 2012 19:12 GMT
#3273
he shits all over annie and does well against Ryze.
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Offhand
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1869 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-27 19:26:21
February 27 2012 19:23 GMT
#3274
Ryze should destroy Fizz. Fizz gets a dash and maybe an auto off and then eats a full Ryze combo.

QWQ -> Fizz hops on spear -> QEQ -> Fizz still running the hell away.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-27 19:41:29
February 27 2012 19:27 GMT
#3275
On February 28 2012 04:04 sob3k wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2012 03:59 Mogwai wrote:
On February 28 2012 03:55 sob3k wrote:
On February 28 2012 03:14 Shikyo wrote:
On February 28 2012 03:06 sob3k wrote:
Holy shit, I just tried Fizz for 4 games. HE IS AMAZING! I haven't had this much fun forever, that freaking dodge is on like a 4 second CD, insane burst and great mobility.

Really sweet, It just sucks that I'd be really reluctant to play him in ranked against anyone good, just seems like laning vs a ranged mid who played conservatively without a serious jungle support would be a nightmare. I didnt realize how absurd his damage is, its like far better than akali.

From what I've played him, Fizz's problem is that he gets raped in lane by everything. However if you somehow survive to 6 you can generally burst the opponent and proceed to being annoying, still even in fights he's a really squishy melee. Really need to utilize E well. Also the CD imo is quite long actually, nowhere near 4sec.


Its 8 seconds at max rank, so 4.8 second CD at max CDR.

So who would be a good matchup for fizz? Someone I could counterpick using him.

I've heard that Fizz is good vs. spammy skillshot mid champs like cass, karthus, and ziggs. I've only really played him as a bruiser top and in that role he only does well vs. sustain lanes really, but he does seem to trade favorably with sustain laners because of his W.


Why would he be good vs spammy skillshot like cass/ziggs? He cant trickster all that spam....seems like you'd want to go vs not spammy at all like brand/lux/veigar

I think it's because he can use Q to dodge one and hit them hard, then W, then dodge another one with E, hit another W and come out way ahead in trades. Don't ask me why, this is just what I hear from 2K Fizz players about the matchups that they want mid, I've never been a fan of AP Fizz.
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
Azuzu
Profile Joined August 2010
United States340 Posts
February 27 2012 19:32 GMT
#3276
On February 28 2012 04:12 Terranasaur wrote:
he shits all over annie and does well against Ryze.


Really? Maybe it's that I've never played against a good fizz but I would take either of these champs over him.

(also just a random fact: if annie has her stun up and uses q and fizz dodges that q, the stun will NOT be used)
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
February 27 2012 19:33 GMT
#3277
On February 28 2012 04:27 Mogwai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2012 04:04 sob3k wrote:
On February 28 2012 03:59 Mogwai wrote:
On February 28 2012 03:55 sob3k wrote:
On February 28 2012 03:14 Shikyo wrote:
On February 28 2012 03:06 sob3k wrote:
Holy shit, I just tried Fizz for 4 games. HE IS AMAZING! I haven't had this much fun forever, that freaking dodge is on like a 4 second CD, insane burst and great mobility.

Really sweet, It just sucks that I'd be really reluctant to play him in ranked against anyone good, just seems like laning vs a ranged mid who played conservatively without a serious jungle support would be a nightmare. I didnt realize how absurd his damage is, its like far better than akali.

From what I've played him, Fizz's problem is that he gets raped in lane by everything. However if you somehow survive to 6 you can generally burst the opponent and proceed to being annoying, still even in fights he's a really squishy melee. Really need to utilize E well. Also the CD imo is quite long actually, nowhere near 4sec.


Its 8 seconds at max rank, so 4.8 second CD at max CDR.

So who would be a good matchup for fizz? Someone I could counterpick using him.

I've heard that Fizz is good vs. spammy skillshot mid champs like cass, karthus, and ziggs. I've only really played him as a bruiser top and in that role he only does well vs. sustain lanes really, but he does seem to trade favorably with sustain laners because of his W.


Why would he be good vs spammy skillshot like cass/ziggs? He cant trickster all that spam....seems like you'd want to go vs not spammy at all like brand/lux/veigar

I think it's because he can use Q to dodge one and hit them hard, then W, then dodge another one with E, hit another W and come out way ahead in trades. Don't ask me why, this is just what I hear from 2K Ziggs players about the matchups that they want mid, I've never been a fan of AP Ziggs.

you mean fizz?

i like fizz but i've never been able to make his laning work. i'm like 90% sure it's because i have no idea how to play his lanes correctly. if I somehow do manage to survive laning his killing power is just ridonkulous.
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
February 27 2012 19:41 GMT
#3278
On February 28 2012 04:33 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 28 2012 04:27 Mogwai wrote:
On February 28 2012 04:04 sob3k wrote:
On February 28 2012 03:59 Mogwai wrote:
On February 28 2012 03:55 sob3k wrote:
On February 28 2012 03:14 Shikyo wrote:
On February 28 2012 03:06 sob3k wrote:
Holy shit, I just tried Fizz for 4 games. HE IS AMAZING! I haven't had this much fun forever, that freaking dodge is on like a 4 second CD, insane burst and great mobility.

Really sweet, It just sucks that I'd be really reluctant to play him in ranked against anyone good, just seems like laning vs a ranged mid who played conservatively without a serious jungle support would be a nightmare. I didnt realize how absurd his damage is, its like far better than akali.

From what I've played him, Fizz's problem is that he gets raped in lane by everything. However if you somehow survive to 6 you can generally burst the opponent and proceed to being annoying, still even in fights he's a really squishy melee. Really need to utilize E well. Also the CD imo is quite long actually, nowhere near 4sec.


Its 8 seconds at max rank, so 4.8 second CD at max CDR.

So who would be a good matchup for fizz? Someone I could counterpick using him.

I've heard that Fizz is good vs. spammy skillshot mid champs like cass, karthus, and ziggs. I've only really played him as a bruiser top and in that role he only does well vs. sustain lanes really, but he does seem to trade favorably with sustain laners because of his W.


Why would he be good vs spammy skillshot like cass/ziggs? He cant trickster all that spam....seems like you'd want to go vs not spammy at all like brand/lux/veigar

I think it's because he can use Q to dodge one and hit them hard, then W, then dodge another one with E, hit another W and come out way ahead in trades. Don't ask me why, this is just what I hear from 2K Ziggs players about the matchups that they want mid, I've never been a fan of AP Ziggs.

you mean fizz?

i like fizz but i've never been able to make his laning work. i'm like 90% sure it's because i have no idea how to play his lanes correctly. if I somehow do manage to survive laning his killing power is just ridonkulous.

I sure do! Fucking adorable little jerkasses with short cute names...
mogwaismusings.wordpress.com
BlueSpace
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2182 Posts
February 27 2012 19:44 GMT
#3279
Is Fizz considered a yordle?
Probe1: "Because people are opinionated and love to share their thoughts. Then they read someone else agree with them and get their opinion confused with fact."
Mogwai
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States13274 Posts
February 27 2012 19:47 GMT
#3280
On February 28 2012 04:44 BlueSpace wrote:
Is Fizz considered a yordle?

nope. I still routinely accidentally type Fizz instead of Ziggs and vice versa.
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