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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
October 31 2011 05:14 GMT
#3201
On October 31 2011 14:12 tobi9999 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2011 14:11 Navi wrote:
regi lost them that game imo, splitting with saint's tried and true leadership (at least for game 2 lol)
as well as not dying in key places at low mana and hp that could have won fights


He did what Saint told him, it's just saint changed his mind midway

he pinged Vayne so regi went for vayne , while saint decided to go for morg LOL.

He pinged Vayne, but Saint was saying "go middle" on vent for a good 10 seconds.

It was like he saw the ping and completely zoned out from what Saint was actually saying.
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Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-31 05:15:26
October 31 2011 05:14 GMT
#3202
lololol LoL official forums laggy
real wcg rules
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-31 05:18:00
October 31 2011 05:17 GMT
#3203
Well still got Canada to try and carry on the TSM/CLG fight. I don't think combo Canada had teamwork problems, but all their matches seemed really easy so I'm not sure if it could actually show in those games.
Treadmill
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada2833 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-31 05:19:58
October 31 2011 05:17 GMT
#3204
On October 31 2011 14:14 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2011 14:12 tobi9999 wrote:
On October 31 2011 14:11 Navi wrote:
regi lost them that game imo, splitting with saint's tried and true leadership (at least for game 2 lol)
as well as not dying in key places at low mana and hp that could have won fights


He did what Saint told him, it's just saint changed his mind midway

he pinged Vayne so regi went for vayne , while saint decided to go for morg LOL.

He pinged Vayne, but Saint was saying "go middle" on vent for a good 10 seconds.

It was like he saw the ping and completely zoned out from what Saint was actually saying.

Regi and Dyrus both seemed to be barely paying attention to the game. Some very odd plays from both of them. Maybe thats just how they come off or something but neither of them seemed fully engaged.

Edit: actually "barely paying attention" is way too strong. They did seem a bit out of it though.
broz0rs
Profile Joined July 2008
United States2294 Posts
October 31 2011 05:20 GMT
#3205
locodoco telling SV the exact same thing that's being mentioned on this thread ^^
uSnAmplified
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1029 Posts
October 31 2011 05:20 GMT
#3206
They just fell apart after a strong lead, to bad because i really wanted to see them go to korea, really wish this had been handled correctly in the first place, hard to root for a team that only follows the rules that suit their interests.
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Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
October 31 2011 05:20 GMT
#3207
Dyrus sounds perpetually stoned so that's natural but regi's game was pretty off today
Hey! Listen!
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
October 31 2011 05:20 GMT
#3208
Dignitas is going to Korea. Oh yeah!

Why did so many people think that Dignitas had the stronger late game team though? Hotshot was raving the entire game about how farmed Jax was unstoppable when Karthus hardcounters Vayne and Jax. Short range carries can't stand in defile and even if you kill Karthus he's still a zombie. That fight at the top tower at the end when they were down probably 12k gold and still traded evenly if Regi had pressed R is just funny to me.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5461 Posts
October 31 2011 05:24 GMT
#3209
wait. am i hearing this right? HS is complaining that RIOT/WCG was biased...

+ Show Spoiler +
EL OH EL HAHAHHAHA
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Juicyfruit
Profile Joined May 2008
Canada5484 Posts
October 31 2011 05:24 GMT
#3210
Ruling was bad, but well this isn't the time to bitch about that anymore. What's happened has happened; CDE got screwed by the ruling, but even moreso they shot themselves in the foot by being totally not comfortable playing together and listening to calls. I don't know how much practice behind the scenes they had, but it was pretty clear that their teamwork was utterly crap compared to Dignitas.

So yeah, Dignitas wins this. GG.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 31 2011 05:25 GMT
#3211
I think the biggest problem of TSM/CLG/EG/CDE is that there's not one person on each team who is unequivocally the shotcaller. A team needs a guy who will take the responsibility to lead them, someone they can live and die by so that everyone will listen to him and do exactly what he says. It's not like there aren't people on each of those teams who don't have enough game knowledge to do it, it's just that no one actually has a real leadership position. Maybe it's just that no one wants to take the blame for losing, or no one else wants to give up some personal pride in winning, but egos need to be put aside or none of those teams will ever have lasting, consistent success against teams that have a strong leader.

You can play a champion perfectly, you can lane perfectly, but if no one is leading the team, or no one is listening to the leader, then it doesn't matter. Individual skill, while highly touted and important, is secondary to overall strategy and decision making when at the highest levels.
Writer@WriterYamato
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
October 31 2011 05:25 GMT
#3212
On October 31 2011 14:20 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Dignitas is going to Korea. Oh yeah!

Why did so many people think that Dignitas had the stronger late game team though? Hotshot was raving the entire game about how farmed Jax was unstoppable when Karthus hardcounters Vayne and Jax. Short range carries can't stand in defile and even if you kill Karthus he's still a zombie. That fight at the top tower at the end when they were down probably 12k gold and still traded evenly if Regi had pressed R is just funny to me.

Lategame jax has so much sustain and tankyness that he CAN stand in defile as long as he isn't being CC'd into the ground.
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-31 05:25:52
October 31 2011 05:25 GMT
#3213
jungle corki is the new hidden OP. lvl 8 before my solos. starts slow then gets crazy fast. and hes really really strong with double buff.
Brees on in
tobi9999
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1966 Posts
October 31 2011 05:25 GMT
#3214
On October 31 2011 14:20 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Dignitas is going to Korea. Oh yeah!

Why did so many people think that Dignitas had the stronger late game team though? Hotshot was raving the entire game about how farmed Jax was unstoppable when Karthus hardcounters Vayne and Jax. Short range carries can't stand in defile and even if you kill Karthus he's still a zombie. That fight at the top tower at the end when they were down probably 12k gold and still traded evenly if Regi had pressed R is just funny to me.


wtf? Vayne just pushes Karthus away, and Jax gets 50+ free MR from his ult, not to mention he 1 shots karthus.

Udyr isn't tanky at all because Vayne silver bolts are too strong.


Also, everyone is really pissed at Matt Marcou
"tobi is ur iq 9999? cuz i think it might be u so smart wowowow." -Artosis
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
October 31 2011 05:27 GMT
#3215
On October 31 2011 14:25 yamato77 wrote:
I think the biggest problem of TSM/CLG/EG/CDE is that there's not one person on each team who is unequivocally the shotcaller. A team needs a guy who will take the responsibility to lead them, someone they can live and die by so that everyone will listen to him and do exactly what he says. It's not like there aren't people on each of those teams who don't have enough game knowledge to do it, it's just that no one actually has a real leadership position. Maybe it's just that no one wants to take the blame for losing, or no one else wants to give up some personal pride in winning, but egos need to be put aside or none of those teams will ever have lasting, consistent success against teams that have a strong leader.

You can play a champion perfectly, you can lane perfectly, but if no one is leading the team, or no one is listening to the leader, then it doesn't matter. Individual skill, while highly touted and important, is secondary to overall strategy and decision making when at the highest levels.


You mean like game two when Saint micromanged the entire team and they dominated?
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5461 Posts
October 31 2011 05:28 GMT
#3216
holy shit i cannot believe that HS is complaining about how RIOT is biased.
like holy shit.
holy shit.

honestly this is only a taste of what people were feeling in the first WCG and even Alienware when CLG was fucking missing their scheduled matches and Marcou was just babying them through the qualifiers. not to mention RIOT banned finkill and TOO essentially knocking out the other top contenders.

you're shitting me hotshot.
you're shitting me.
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Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
October 31 2011 05:29 GMT
#3217
i wouldnt say riot is biased.

i think they're just stupid.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
October 31 2011 05:30 GMT
#3218
On October 31 2011 14:27 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2011 14:25 yamato77 wrote:
I think the biggest problem of TSM/CLG/EG/CDE is that there's not one person on each team who is unequivocally the shotcaller. A team needs a guy who will take the responsibility to lead them, someone they can live and die by so that everyone will listen to him and do exactly what he says. It's not like there aren't people on each of those teams who don't have enough game knowledge to do it, it's just that no one actually has a real leadership position. Maybe it's just that no one wants to take the blame for losing, or no one else wants to give up some personal pride in winning, but egos need to be put aside or none of those teams will ever have lasting, consistent success against teams that have a strong leader.

You can play a champion perfectly, you can lane perfectly, but if no one is leading the team, or no one is listening to the leader, then it doesn't matter. Individual skill, while highly touted and important, is secondary to overall strategy and decision making when at the highest levels.


You mean like game two when Saint micromanged the entire team and they dominated?

I didn't catch all of game two, but game three was an atrocity. Maybe it's only situational that they listen to him, idk. But whatever it is, it happens in a lot of games I watch of these American teams, especially when they are losing.
Writer@WriterYamato
OreoBoi
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada1639 Posts
October 31 2011 05:31 GMT
#3219
On October 31 2011 14:25 tobi9999 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2011 14:20 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Dignitas is going to Korea. Oh yeah!

Why did so many people think that Dignitas had the stronger late game team though? Hotshot was raving the entire game about how farmed Jax was unstoppable when Karthus hardcounters Vayne and Jax. Short range carries can't stand in defile and even if you kill Karthus he's still a zombie. That fight at the top tower at the end when they were down probably 12k gold and still traded evenly if Regi had pressed R is just funny to me.


wtf? Vayne just pushes Karthus away, and Jax gets 50+ free MR from his ult, not to mention he 1 shots karthus.

Udyr isn't tanky at all because Vayne silver bolts are too strong.


Also, everyone is really pissed at Matt Marcou


And why shouldn't they be?
His decision making ability is laughable. He claims that "We made this decision because WCG Canada played like that", when they didn't even consult WCG Canada at all. If you watched SotL, he was talking about how Canada teams understood the rules and played that way and hotshot was just like, um... no that didn't happen. Basically he made a decision without full information that could have been easily gathered by just talking to one of the players.
rredtooth
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
5461 Posts
October 31 2011 05:31 GMT
#3220
On October 31 2011 14:29 Ryuu314 wrote:
i wouldnt say riot is biased.

i think they're just stupid.

no you don't know shit.
they're biased as fuck.

when pendragon came onto the forums after the hackedshotgg incident and unconditionally banned OddOne and Finkill? when CLG only had 4 people show up to the scheduled matches and Marcou delayed the entire round to let them get their game in? when Marcou was only answering questions via CLG players (ask him directly he won't respond, ask a CLG player to ask Marcou and you get an answer immediately)?

fuck that shit they're biased.
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