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Qualm
Profile Joined December 2009
721 Posts
September 04 2011 17:35 GMT
#2521
Why does no one play Karma again?

So good, so fun :O
Brambled
Profile Joined July 2010
United States750 Posts
September 04 2011 17:41 GMT
#2522
On September 05 2011 02:35 Qualm wrote:
Why does no one play Karma again?

So good, so fun :O


Funny you say that I bought her for fun yesterday and played some solo q with her mid and won every lane easily.
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
September 04 2011 17:43 GMT
#2523
HSGG is actually on a karma spree right now.

Expect her to become more popular.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
September 04 2011 17:47 GMT
#2524
I don't understand why Karma isn't the obvious go to babysitter choice since all other healing got nerfed.
zalz
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Netherlands3704 Posts
September 04 2011 18:02 GMT
#2525
On September 05 2011 02:47 zulu_nation8 wrote:
I don't understand why Karma isn't the obvious go to babysitter choice since all other healing got nerfed.


Heals = fixing damage

Shields = predicting damage


Shields are simply more difficult by their nature.

A good team might force a short exchange everytime a shield goes up but for the non-coordinated random que that's not exactly realistic.
JackDino
Profile Joined July 2010
Gabon6219 Posts
September 04 2011 18:03 GMT
#2526
On September 05 2011 03:02 zalz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2011 02:47 zulu_nation8 wrote:
I don't understand why Karma isn't the obvious go to babysitter choice since all other healing got nerfed.


Heals = fixing damage

Shields = predicting damage


Shields are simply more difficult by their nature.

A good team might force a short exchange everytime a shield goes up but for the non-coordinated random que that's not exactly realistic.

Karma has both a shield and a heal.
This isnt Broodwar so I dont owe anyone respect for beating me. -arb
Tooplark
Profile Joined October 2008
United States3977 Posts
September 04 2011 18:05 GMT
#2527
crushed enemy brand mid as karma
garen does really well top lane but he and udyr dive 2v5 to kill blitz, giving them baron and starting a long spiral of 2 or 3v5 fights while they push into our base and win
post game chat Garen: and AP Karma so bad wtf
THE PRESSURE FOR GOLD IS ON
WHAT POW'R ART THOU WHO FROM BELOW HAST MADE ME RISE UNWILLINGLY AND SLOW
Qualm
Profile Joined December 2009
721 Posts
September 04 2011 18:15 GMT
#2528
On September 05 2011 03:05 Tooplark wrote:
crushed enemy brand mid as karma
garen does really well top lane but he and udyr dive 2v5 to kill blitz, giving them baron and starting a long spiral of 2 or 3v5 fights while they push into our base and win
post game chat Garen: and AP Karma so bad wtf
THE PRESSURE FOR GOLD IS ON

I really hate how if you play something unorthodox like Karma it's your fault if your team loses, yet you can play Brand, feed 0/10 and it's np.
Shelke14
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada6655 Posts
September 04 2011 18:17 GMT
#2529
If anyone wants to grind some duo queue ranked.. hit me up at shelkelp. 1270ish atm but was 1400
Tisp
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada209 Posts
September 04 2011 18:21 GMT
#2530
what runes does Chauster use for his Lee Sin? I got his masteries build today on stream (1,14,8) but not his runes.
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-04 19:18:17
September 04 2011 18:21 GMT
#2531
Because Karma is actually a fairly sucky healer.

A) your heal is on a 30 second CD early on from mantra charges.
B) because of mantra it shares a CD with your best nuke.
C) It sucks early on and sucks later too.

At level 3 it's 75 HP + 5% missing HP. For it to be equal to level 3 astral blessing (which has a shorter CD at this point) you'd need 2700 HP missing.

At level 11 astral blessing heals for 350 and has a more or less equal CD to your own heal. Assuming a Karma with no HP for extra AP, you'd heal for 135 + (5% + 2%) and the missing HP would have to be 3000 to equal Soraka heal.

Karma heal is AoE but in terms of protecting your carry that fact is unhelpful. It is more of a clutch heal than anything else and Riot's nerfs to other heals have done nothing to change that.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
Flakes
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States3125 Posts
September 04 2011 18:23 GMT
#2532
Streaming UVA csl game, TreeEski, Takashix chipsahoy flakes rayem UVA dream team
http://www.own3d.tv/Flakes#/live/96492
sRapers_ValkS
Profile Joined August 2009
United States644 Posts
September 04 2011 18:24 GMT
#2533
how can anyone enjoy listening to hotshot JESUS
Qualm
Profile Joined December 2009
721 Posts
September 04 2011 18:33 GMT
#2534
On September 05 2011 03:21 phyvo wrote:
Because Karma is actually a fairly sucky healer.

A) your heal is on a 30 second CD early on from manta charges.
B) because of manta it shares a CD with your best nuke.
C) It sucks early on and sucks later too.

At level 3 it's 75 HP + 5% missing HP. For it to be equal to level 3 astral blessing (which has a shorter CD at this point) you'd need 2700 HP missing.

At level 11 astral blessing heals for 350 and has a more or less equal CD to your own heal. Assuming a Karma with no HP for extra AP, you'd heal for 135 + (5% + 2%) and the missing HP would have to be 3000 to equal Soraka heal.

Karma heal is AoE but in terms of protecting your carry that fact is unhelpful. It is more of a clutch heal than anything else and Riot's nerfs to other heals have done nothing to change that.

Karma's heal is only good for close saves and for late-game team-wide sustain pretty much.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
September 04 2011 18:57 GMT
#2535
Most supports have incredible base utility for examples sorakas ultimate. Karma has no ultimate and weak utility so she requires lots of farm to be effective.
Flakes
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States3125 Posts
September 04 2011 19:00 GMT
#2536
On September 05 2011 03:23 Flakes wrote:
Streaming UVA csl game, TreeEski, Takashix chipsahoy flakes rayem UVA dream team
http://www.own3d.tv/Flakes#/live/96492

game 2 starting soon i fixed flicker
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
September 04 2011 19:02 GMT
#2537
the stream looks fine btw ^^
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Maedi
Profile Joined August 2009
United States477 Posts
September 04 2011 19:08 GMT
#2538
Need a fifth for Go4LoL, our support player had IRL issues. Preferably support, if you're interested add me in game @TGF Maedi. Thanks!
clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
September 04 2011 19:09 GMT
#2539
wow me and my bro a duoing with sona+urgot bottom lately. its fuuuking strong and we never lost with it. It completely destroys lanes with taric/ali and works very well against ranged supports too.
oGsMC: Zealot defense, Stalker attack, Sentry forcefieldu forcefieldu, Marauder die die
Maedi
Profile Joined August 2009
United States477 Posts
September 04 2011 19:11 GMT
#2540
We're 8th seed in brackets, so we really don't want to miss out on this Anyone?
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