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mostly this list is for fun. there are generally too many variables for most situations
if a skill is dependant on the target not moving and eating the full duration, i gave them 1 second worth of damage.
if the champ has ways of getting them to take more than 1 sec of damage (commonly a stun), i noted it.
auto attacks aren't added in except if part of the skill.
defined burst as likely damage before they flash and fuck you. garen breaks this rule
i explain most of the damage if it's not obvious.
fuck calculating karthus and rumble, they don't count as burst.
if a champ isn't on the list, it's burst is below the lowest champ.
and without further ado:
lvl 5
465 garen 5.1AD (full judgement +45 from decisive)
440 maokai 2.2AP
437 brand 1.95AP (10% of 750 from 5 secs of passive)
410 anivia 2.0AP (flash frost doublehit, frostbite)
400 zilean 1.8AP (double bomb)
395 leblanc 2.5AP
385 lux 1.3AP (added 2x60 passive procs)
375 poppy 1.4AP (8% of 750 from q)
350 ezreal 1.65AP 1AD (added 60 to q)
353 swain 1.8AP (torment bonus applies to everything, max torment first)
330 morgana 1.6AP (3.5 sec of puddle)
325 sion 2.0AP
315 annie 1.55AP (incinerate, disintegrate)
315 cho 1.7AP
310 orianna 1.65AP
310 malz 1.675AP (added 4% of 750 for one sec of puddle .075 scaling from puddle )
310 alistar 1.6AP (headbutt, pulverize, 2 sec of trample due to pulverize)
lvl 7
910 garen 5.1AD (full judgement, +150 from missing hp)
900 fiddlesticks 2.35AP (2 sec drain, 3 sec ult, 1.5 sec of fear)
881 malz 3.215AP (3.5 sec of puddle 14% of 900, 0.315 scaling from puddle)
855 lux 2.05AP (added 3x80 passive procs)
795 annie 2.65AP (incinerate, disintegrate, 2 auto from tibber, 2 sec tibber burn)
756 ezreal 2.55AP 2AD (added 66 to q)
750 cho 2.61AP (+90 from feast being true dmg, +.21 scaling from true)
735 morgana 3.2AP (3.5 sec of puddle, ult end proc)
734 brand 2.45AP (10% of 900 from 5 secs of passive, 1.5 bounces of ult)
727 leblanc 3.49AP (mimic sigil)
645 tristana 3.3AP
645 veigar 2.8AP
630 anivia 2.5AP (flash frost doublehit, frostbite, 2 sec of ult)
lvl 11
1440 fiddlesticks 3.3AP (3 sec drain, 4 sec ult, 2.5 sec of fear)
1270 garen 5.1AD (full judgement, +200 from missing hp)
1229 malz 3.285AP (3.5 sec of puddle 14% of 1100, 0.385 scale)
1225 lux 2.05AP (added 3x120 passive procs)
1147 cho 2.61AP (added142 from faest being true)
1118 ezreal 2.55AP 2AD(added 78 to q)
1100 annie 2.65AP (incinerate, disintegrate, 2 auto from tibber, 2 sec tibber burn)
1080 morgana 3.3AP (4 sec of puddle, ult end proc)
1030 brand 2.45AP (10% of 1100 from 5 secs of passive, 1.5 bounces of ult)
1002 leblanc 3.625AP (mimic sigil)
910 veigar 2.8AP
890 anivia 2.5AP (flash frost doublehit, frostbite, 2 sec of ult)
lvl 16
2207 fiddlesticks 4.225AP (3.5 sec drain, 4.5 sec ult, 3 sec of fear, 1 bounce of crow)
1590 malz 3.6AP (3.5 sec of puddle 21% of 2000 0.7scale)
1575 garen 5.1AD (full judgement, +300 from missing hp)
1540 lux 2.05AP (added 3x170 passive procs)
1500 brand 2.45AP (10% of 2000 from 5 secs of passive, 1.5 bounces of ult)
1425 cho 2.61AP (added 195 from feast being true)
1423 ezreal 2.55AP 2AD (added 93 to q)
1315 annie 2.65AP (incinerate, disintegrate, 2 auto from tibber, 2 sec tibber burn)
1290 morgana 3.3AP (4 sec of puddle, ult end proc)
1237 leblanc 3.76AP (mimic sigil)
1080 veigar 2.8AP
1030 anivia 2.5AP (flash frost doublehit, frostbite, 2 sec of ult)
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Garen too good.
Rock a bloodthirster fully stacked with 4 dorans blades and you pwn everyone early-mid game.
Need a LW for later on though.
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what surprises me is how closely related to 'tier lists' this is. also how many fotm champs rank highly. inb4 fiddle goes fotm.
tho i suppose when people dont' know how to counter burst champs, they just run wild all over solo q until ppl learn, then they stop being fotm.
also, annie is very low on damage output. i guess tibbers stun too good.
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Where es Akali on this list?
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United States47024 Posts
On July 07 2011 11:05 Zanzabar Haberdasher wrote:
Where es Akali on this list?
Akali loses a lot of theoretical burst because she's sort of only operating on 2 spells (Q/R, E is terrible in many practical situations due to energy efficiency concerns), and it's annoying to calculate "un-itemized" burst for her due to her passive.
Her strength also arguably isn't how big her burst is, since she also has the most repeatable burst, since her R stores the 3 charges, and restores charges at a fast rate (including on kills)--putting her full burst on a 4 second cooldown (next most repeatable is Anivia, with Q CD being 8 seconds at max rank).
It might be worth adding the AP/AD scaling numbers to these combos--particularly on the later ones. By level 16, AP/AD scaling is going to be a huge component of these bursts, and shouldn't be ignored.
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On July 07 2011 10:47 Kaneh wrote:
what surprises me is how closely related to 'tier lists' this is. also how many fotm champs rank highly. inb4 fiddle goes fotm.
tho i suppose when people dont' know how to counter burst champs, they just run wild all over solo q until ppl learn, then they stop being fotm.
also, annie is very low on damage output. i guess tibbers stun too good.
A lot of her power also comes from the fact that the majority of her burst is AOE, while a lot of the champs on the list have single-target burst. Not to mention that half of her burst is very repeatable. She's also tanky as hell with E on. Especially if you roll zhonyas and abyssal.
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On July 07 2011 11:29 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2011 10:47 Kaneh wrote:
what surprises me is how closely related to 'tier lists' this is. also how many fotm champs rank highly. inb4 fiddle goes fotm.
tho i suppose when people dont' know how to counter burst champs, they just run wild all over solo q until ppl learn, then they stop being fotm.
also, annie is very low on damage output. i guess tibbers stun too good. A lot of her power also comes from the fact that the majority of her burst is AOE, while a lot of the champs on the list have single-target burst. Not to mention that half of her burst is very repeatable. She's also tanky as hell with E on. Especially if you roll zhonyas and abyssal.
yeah thats why I think shes the best nuke if your at gosu levels of control you can nuke more then one person at a time which is something that none of the other nukers can really do. not to mention shes got a incinerate stun that comes up pretty fast if your in a team fight.
I'm really trying to find a second hero to play as and I like nukeing but none of the other heros have that aoe that I like. I will try fiddle next see how I like him. maybe try a jungler.
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On July 07 2011 12:54 sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2011 11:29 Ryuu314 wrote:On July 07 2011 10:47 Kaneh wrote:
what surprises me is how closely related to 'tier lists' this is. also how many fotm champs rank highly. inb4 fiddle goes fotm.
tho i suppose when people dont' know how to counter burst champs, they just run wild all over solo q until ppl learn, then they stop being fotm.
also, annie is very low on damage output. i guess tibbers stun too good. A lot of her power also comes from the fact that the majority of her burst is AOE, while a lot of the champs on the list have single-target burst. Not to mention that half of her burst is very repeatable. She's also tanky as hell with E on. Especially if you roll zhonyas and abyssal. yeah thats why I think shes the best nuke if your at gosu levels of control you can nuke more then one person at a time which is something that none of the other nukers can really do. not to mention shes got a incinerate stun that comes up pretty fast if your in a team fight. I'm really trying to find a second hero to play as and I like nukeing but none of the other heros have that aoe that I like. I will try fiddle next see how I like him. maybe try a jungler.
Annie and Fiddle are played completely differently.. I also like Annie, maybe you should try Orianna? She plays differently but she can dish out damage to multiple champions with all four of her spells, which is really crazy, and shes got tons of utility.
Oh and they are both OP. :D
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Interesting read, I suppose Morg is pretty good if you can get someone to stand in your puddle for quite a while. GP rules lvl 5 when runed trollishly.
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haha, but random crit isn't true burst =)
gonna add those scaling numbers now.
and yeah, alot of characters with "repeatable" burst aren't on the list, akali being the most notable. the numbers are just too hard to determine. same with rumble and karth. people will die quickly, but what is thier burst really? they'll generally have a hard time doing full damage to someone with flash up, so i just left them off the list.
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well, after looking at AP ratios,
fiddle's rocks everyone once he gets a lengthy enough fear to channel dmg in.
trist is 4th highest, losing to malz when ppl get decent hp. AP trist gogogo.
malz's pool scaling is terrible, and is only decent at the end of the game - but all his other spells scale well enough to make him scale pretty ridiculously overall. Kinda helping to confirm my suspicion that malz is probably too strong atm. on the level of jarv, but not quite GP.
leblanc scales suprisingly well. too bad mimic is on a CD just long enough so you can't use it twice a fight.
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Too bad you don't list the burst here, you just burst + DOT :/
I hope that if you assumed that fiddle can get his "3.5 sec drain, 4.5 sec ult" then you also assumed that Karthus will hit 4-5 LWs in the same time, same for other champs with CDs lower than 4,5s.
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Well....
IMO Akali and Karth should be at least mentioned
They have extremely high burst against standing opponents lol.
Also, Garen too good o.o
AP trist is apparently good too
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at level 16 its easily possible for anivia to REQE something because E only has like a 4 second CD at max rank + blue buff
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United States47024 Posts
On July 08 2011 03:10 Frolossus wrote:
at level 16 its easily possible for anivia to REQE something because E only has like a 4 second CD at max rank + blue buff
If you start accounting for that, it becomes really hairy because a lot of champs have very short cooldowns--and where do you draw the line?
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On July 08 2011 03:11 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2011 03:10 Frolossus wrote:
at level 16 its easily possible for anivia to REQE something because E only has like a 4 second CD at max rank + blue buff If you start accounting for that, it becomes really hairy because a lot of champs have very short cooldowns--and where do you draw the line?
The thing is though that with anivia, you will get REQE off or you only get RE off (since you missed Q). You'll never have REQ, that just doesn't happen. So it should be REQE because that is her burst. Just like how you'd say Ryze's burst is REWQQ because you'll always get the second Q off unless they clense or QSS.
Define the burst just as what you will get off in a normal fight on a character even if they were trying to run away. Characters that stun or snare should get the second E or whatever as part of their burst because the other character will get hit by it in any normal fight so the calculation should account for that.
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i came here to see a list of largest bust champs
i feel cheated..............
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I bet the reason Akali isn't on these lists is that he only allows for one second of damage, but ALL of the damage needs to be done in those seconds. No set up.
For Akali, all you need to do is use your Q. Wait till the cooldown is up, and R, Autoattack, Q, Autoattack, and she probably has more burst than anyone at that point, but because these lists don't allow for setting up a key debuff (which is on a 3 seconds cooldown), she's not on it.
But Akali does have much higher burst than most, if not all, champions at level 7.
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defined burst as likely damage before they flash and fuck you. garen breaks this rule
if these champs caught you, now how much damage could they do before you flash over that wall.
in those situations akali doesn't really work. nor does karth. hell you can flash over open ground and karth can't catch you.
again, its not very indicitive of ability to kill, because
mostly this list is for fun. there are generally too many variables for most situations
akali would probably be able to way more damage that you couldn't escape from because she can chase so well, but that's not the question because that requires too many "what ifs". so I kept it simple with just flash.
i dunno, i think its a very good ranking of champs to play solo q with. because the damage is dependent only on your personal skill. If you can get the full combo off reliably, you can get yourself fed reliably, and carry much more easily. hence annie being ezmode, cause she's so simple to combo with.
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