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SQWKZ
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland720 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-23 22:37:01
April 23 2011 22:34 GMT
#1601
I don't think LLL ran any wild new strat here? Coordination is no good without decent game sense, so that doesn't work here. I don't believe the differences between top teams are really that huge. I was suprised to see carrysup bot not get decimated, though.

e: The mechanics thing pretty much was true with these teams, but that still didn't give CLG enough of an edge.
So zen.
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
April 23 2011 22:35 GMT
#1602
TBH the teams were even in farm through the early and early-midgame. The differences in farm began because EU snowballed. If you have map control you don't risk as much when farming.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-23 22:37:29
April 23 2011 22:36 GMT
#1603
On April 24 2011 07:34 Shikyo wrote:
I really don't understand your point then. Your post would mean "they are equal mechanically". But yeah no point in arguing I guess if your arguments are of that level.


Is there any way for CLG to get through or are they done?

Group stage for EMS is 6 matches apparently--everyone plays everyone else twice. I think they qualify if they win every other groupstage match. If they lose one more, I don't know how EMS does tiebreakers.
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
April 23 2011 22:37 GMT
#1604
By the way, wouldn't it have been better for CLG to lane corki bot and Cho top? Were they too used to their standard lineup and were too stubborn to change?
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Stealthpenguin
Profile Joined April 2010
Finland393 Posts
April 23 2011 22:39 GMT
#1605
Can someone explain why clg had such tanky picks in both games. First game they had cho, shen and mumu. Second game cho, rammus, alistar. Seems like a whole lot of cc but not a lot of damage.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
April 23 2011 22:40 GMT
#1606
On April 24 2011 07:39 Stealthpenguin wrote:
Can someone explain why clg had such tanky picks in both games. First game they had cho, shen and mumu. Second game cho, rammus, alistar. Seems like a whole lot of cc but not a lot of damage.

Its the US meta... amazing lategame but only if the opponent doesn't take advantage of the early game. EU did in both games
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
emucxg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Finland4559 Posts
April 23 2011 22:45 GMT
#1607
FUCK, im gonna switch back to EU, US sucks...

I wanna play some real league of legends.
ArC_man
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States2798 Posts
April 23 2011 23:29 GMT
#1608
CLG got outplayed and outpicked. I think this was a good eye-opener for CLG, hopefully they practice more and take their competition more seriously.
crate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2474 Posts
April 23 2011 23:38 GMT
#1609
On April 24 2011 08:29 ArC_man wrote:
CLG got outplayed and outpicked. I think this was a good eye-opener for CLG, hopefully they practice more and take their competition more seriously.

Practice against who? They already stomp every other team on US servers so they don't exactly get much practice there.
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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
April 23 2011 23:40 GMT
#1610
The problem is no one on us runs the gay ass tp bd strat. Its effective, but it doesnt work well in solo q cuz it requires so much practice and coordination. For eu, where its my understanding that ranked 5s are still played, it is possible to get that practice. But on us, ranked 5s is dead. So no way to do strategies like that.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
April 23 2011 23:46 GMT
#1611
No, plenty of teams run BD strats, it's just CLG adapted poorly and they know better in retrospect.

Just to briefly highlight their mistakes, Chauster said it was a bad choice for HS to insist on running Cho in a 1v2 lane. CLG likes the roaming meta but Cho in a dedicated 1vDPS+Babysit Support is giving CLG a really weak solo.
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Aurdon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2007 Posts
April 23 2011 23:52 GMT
#1612
I remember SaintVicious going over how they thought they would beat Euros by running a double stun tanky lane bot vs their Carry/Support meta. Like running a taric/sion and how they could have just beasted down the squishiness of a caitlyn/janna.

Not sure why they aren't trying that vs the eu meta.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
April 23 2011 23:57 GMT
#1613
On April 24 2011 08:52 Aurdon wrote:
I remember SaintVicious going over how they thought they would beat Euros by running a double stun tanky lane bot vs their Carry/Support meta. Like running a taric/sion and how they could have just beasted down the squishiness of a caitlyn/janna.

Not sure why they aren't trying that vs the eu meta.


So true, so true...

/looks @ HSGG

The old patch with HoG didn't help either.
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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22502 Posts
April 24 2011 00:12 GMT
#1614
It actualy did help CLG out since they went for the tanky setup the favours the old HoG over the new one.
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HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
April 24 2011 00:15 GMT
#1615
NeoIllusions real 1 hour ban.
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Jaksiel
Profile Joined November 2008
United States4130 Posts
April 24 2011 00:17 GMT
#1616
CLG got outplayed overall, but I wouldn't discount the ping issue. How often do you see Jiji miss Anivia walls on his stream? In this game, his walls against TF mid when he was trying to harass kept being slightly late.
Zero fighting.
ArC_man
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States2798 Posts
April 24 2011 00:25 GMT
#1617
On April 24 2011 08:38 crate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 24 2011 08:29 ArC_man wrote:
CLG got outplayed and outpicked. I think this was a good eye-opener for CLG, hopefully they practice more and take their competition more seriously.

Practice against who? They already stomp every other team on US servers so they don't exactly get much practice there.

I don't think CLG completely stomps every other team on the US (didn't they lose to TSM a couple weeks ago?). If they were really serious about the competition they'll actually take time to try to set up scrims against other US teams and practice against various strategies. It's not like EU strategies were completely unexpected; everyone and their moms know that EU likes to run carry/support bottom lane and know the type of heros they like to run. It's not hard to say "Hey TSM, try using this strategy against us in a scrim".
Aurdon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2007 Posts
April 24 2011 00:26 GMT
#1618
On April 24 2011 09:17 Jaksiel wrote:
CLG got outplayed overall, but I wouldn't discount the ping issue. How often do you see Jiji miss Anivia walls on his stream? In this game, his walls against TF mid when he was trying to harass kept being slightly late.


I was thinking the same thing. I have never seen jiji miss so many walls. He's could possibly be best anivia in the world and it seemed like all his walls missed by like one pixel.

Jaksiel
Profile Joined November 2008
United States4130 Posts
April 24 2011 00:37 GMT
#1619
Apparently jiji was talking in IRC and wasn't making any excuses. He said they just plain sucked today.
Zero fighting.
Dezzimal
Profile Joined April 2009
United States148 Posts
April 24 2011 02:15 GMT
#1620
On April 24 2011 08:29 ArC_man wrote:
CLG got outplayed and outpicked. I think this was a good eye-opener for CLG, hopefully they practice more and take their competition more seriously.


I've noticed that CLG tends to not play anything but big tournaments. Not taking advantage of things like Go4LoL which happen every week is a great way to rust your team.
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