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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21973 Posts
April 24 2011 22:15 GMT
#1641
The reason they don't is because they are winning pretty much everything. If your solo q prowess lets you roll over other teams why would you bother to practice. A good thrashing and a shameful exit from a big tournament might wake them up.
Then again considering solo q egos they probably blame each other and do nothing.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
SQWKZ
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland720 Posts
April 24 2011 22:56 GMT
#1642
They have also said something to the effect that the more they play, the more they lessen the edge they have over other teams.

The team sounded upset when chatting in vent post game, but had a mature "learn from mistakes, get better" attitude, with no blame games. Solo queue ego maybe stays in solo queue?
So zen.
R04R
Profile Joined March 2009
United States1631 Posts
April 24 2011 23:20 GMT
#1643
On April 25 2011 07:56 SQWKZ wrote:
The team sounded upset when chatting in vent post game, but had a mature "learn from mistakes, get better" attitude, with no blame games. Solo queue ego maybe stays in solo queue?


Of course. They're playing for money, not for lulz.
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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
April 24 2011 23:27 GMT
#1644
I dont buy the whole "the more we play the more we lessen the edge" angle. They win by not making mistakes and having the 2 best solo lane players in the world. It isnt like playing more is going to show other teams anything they dont already know.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
520
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2822 Posts
April 25 2011 00:16 GMT
#1645
The replays posted on CLGaming make my LoLReplay crash
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Goshawk.
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United Kingdom5338 Posts
April 25 2011 00:30 GMT
#1646
On April 25 2011 08:27 Two_DoWn wrote:
I dont buy the whole "the more we play the more we lessen the edge" angle. They win by not making mistakes and having the 2 best solo lane players in the world. It isnt like playing more is going to show other teams anything they dont already know.


It's like the most retarded attitude ever if they are serious about winning anything.
Chrispy
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada5878 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-25 01:16:33
April 25 2011 01:15 GMT
#1647
I think what they mean by that is by playing more they are showing that they can be beaten and are mere mortals after all!

Anyways the Euro teams look much more advanced and creative than the NA teams.

Edit: From the two euro games that I've seen. lol
Retvrn to Forvms
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
April 25 2011 01:29 GMT
#1648
But we've seen them lose time and again, especially recently.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Jaksiel
Profile Joined November 2008
United States4130 Posts
April 25 2011 01:51 GMT
#1649
I'm watching the HKEGG vs. Rock Solid game on stream right now and both teams are running support/carry bottom. I wonder if this is a function of CLG's losses yesterday.
Zero fighting.
SQWKZ
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland720 Posts
April 25 2011 02:34 GMT
#1650
Solomid is doing the same thing now, and they picked up Corki + Ashe too.
So zen.
Brees
Profile Joined January 2010
Marshall Islands3404 Posts
April 25 2011 17:32 GMT
#1651
my analysis of the CLG vs tictacs game

Elementz needed to either take teleport or let his tower fall early while he tried to gank or something because him staying top vs karthus all game just gives the other team a massive advantage...very poor play there

CLG put 2 farm dependent people bottom which is always a terrible idea unless you get to the point in a game where everyone is crazy farmed, which it didnt even come close to

Very careless against ashe arrow, They got initiated on everytime making amumu a worthless character as that is his selling point

a bunch of tanks protecting hurpgot and kassadin, 2 characters that do not need babysitting at all really...not sure what they were thinking with the team comp

and.... they straight up just raped CLG in cs, which is fairly unacceptable lol
Brees on in
gtrsrs
Profile Joined June 2010
United States9109 Posts
April 25 2011 17:56 GMT
#1652
did you guys sign up for wcg?
i play ... hearthstone =\^.^/= Winterfox
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-25 18:17:14
April 25 2011 18:16 GMT
#1653
On April 26 2011 02:32 Brees wrote:
my analysis of the CLG vs tictacs game

Elementz needed to either take teleport or let his tower fall early while he tried to gank or something because him staying top vs karthus all game just gives the other team a massive advantage...very poor play there

CLG put 2 farm dependent people bottom which is always a terrible idea unless you get to the point in a game where everyone is crazy farmed, which it didnt even come close to

Very careless against ashe arrow, They got initiated on everytime making amumu a worthless character as that is his selling point

a bunch of tanks protecting hurpgot and kassadin, 2 characters that do not need babysitting at all really...not sure what they were thinking with the team comp

and.... they straight up just raped CLG in cs, which is fairly unacceptable lol


2 Ranged carrys vs 3 tanks seems to be a pretty good counter. Since their 3 tank 2 carry works so great vs tanky dps teams.
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
April 25 2011 20:18 GMT
#1654
Something I just thought about: jiji is a tf main pretty much. Yet we never see clg run tf in matches. Why is that? He gives them a lot of mobility, and TF pretty much forces other teams to make decisions, which if clg really is the best team, they should be able to take advantage of those choices.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
April 25 2011 20:20 GMT
#1655
On April 26 2011 05:18 Two_DoWn wrote:
Something I just thought about: jiji is a tf main pretty much. Yet we never see clg run tf in matches. Why is that? He gives them a lot of mobility, and TF pretty much forces other teams to make decisions, which if clg really is the best team, they should be able to take advantage of those choices.

I always thought Anivia is the closest to his main and that he just likes to play other champs when he plays for fun (TF, urgot, eve )
Goshawk.
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United Kingdom5338 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-25 20:47:16
April 25 2011 20:41 GMT
#1656






VoDs.
sRapers_ValkS
Profile Joined August 2009
United States644 Posts
April 25 2011 21:01 GMT
#1657
On April 26 2011 05:18 Two_DoWn wrote:
Something I just thought about: jiji is a tf main pretty much. Yet we never see clg run tf in matches. Why is that? He gives them a lot of mobility, and TF pretty much forces other teams to make decisions, which if clg really is the best team, they should be able to take advantage of those choices.

to me the difference is that TF on EU and TF on US are viewed very differently. It seems that EU sees his mobility as highly valuable in teamplay because it can easily exploit holes in the other team's defense. To play against TF in teamplay you have to be anticipating every single move. However on US it seems, imoimoimo, that TF is more of a pubstomper, and people use his ult to punish any overextension or undue aggression by the enemy. I actually think that jiji has fallen into this mentality a little bit. I feel like I rerely see him use destiny to backdoor, it's always to position himself for fights and be where the action is. Of course this is only in solo queue where realbig$$ isn't on the line but I dunno..it seems like he hasn't practiced the other style.

Also in EU teamplay it seems like they take a lot more teleports for ganks so that destiny as a gank tool is actually LESS effective than teleport because of the whole eye thing that just screams BACK UP ASSHOLES CAJUN MAN ABOUT TO DROP FROM THE SKY AND START THROWING PLAYING CARDS AT YOU.

that's just what it seems to me in the ~3 games of EU teams i've watched.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-25 21:13:24
April 25 2011 21:11 GMT
#1658
On April 26 2011 06:01 sRapers_ValkS wrote:
to me the difference is that TF on EU and TF on US are viewed very differently. It seems that EU sees his mobility as highly valuable in teamplay because it can easily exploit holes in the other team's defense. To play against TF in teamplay you have to be anticipating every single move. However on US it seems, imoimoimo, that TF is more of a pubstomper, and people use his ult to punish any overextension or undue aggression by the enemy. I actually think that jiji has fallen into this mentality a little bit. I feel like I rerely see him use destiny to backdoor, it's always to position himself for fights and be where the action is. Of course this is only in solo queue where realbig$$ isn't on the line but I dunno..it seems like he hasn't practiced the other style.

The problem is that using Destiny like that is unreliable in solo queue--because even at 2k Elo, you see games where jiji tells his team "don't fight" and they still derp and initiate 4v5s while he's pushing another lane. You're not going to get much done if your team is too stupid to actually buy you time to BD/pressure the other team's defense. Add to that the fact that the ranked 5s scene on US is pretty dry, and you notice there's not too many places for jiji to get comfortable with that style of TF.
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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
April 25 2011 21:15 GMT
#1659
My thought that it doenst have to be bd tf. If he uses him as a ganking ad carry it would be more effective than having corki or urgot against a team that just wants to be all over the place.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
April 26 2011 03:24 GMT
#1660
next ARAM game 9pm est this Wednesday. Can everyone make it?
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