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The Big Book of Zeratul - Page 2

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Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4782 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-18 10:01:09
May 18 2015 10:00 GMT
#21
Any tips on what to do in late-game when the enemies have become so fed up being ganked by you that they save all their CC for the moment they see you in a teamfight and all pile on? Is the best option really to just throw out the VP, kill one/two and then back out allowing the rest of your team to go ham as the opposing team saves CC for you?

And does anyone have any good VODs for late-game (lvl 20+) Zeratul?
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
May 18 2015 13:17 GMT
#22
On May 18 2015 19:00 Ghostcom wrote:
Any tips on what to do in late-game when the enemies have become so fed up being ganked by you that they save all their CC for the moment they see you in a teamfight and all pile on? Is the best option really to just throw out the VP, kill one/two and then back out allowing the rest of your team to go ham as the opposing team saves CC for you?

And does anyone have any good VODs for late-game (lvl 20+) Zeratul?

Basic rule for late game is to either initiate with VP, or wait for the fight to start before engaging. Regardless of what you do, you'll want to save Blink as an escape. It is not uncommon at all for me to completely disengage from fights and re-stealth before moving back in. Zeratul doesn't really need to be a sustained presence. He just needs to ensure that he kills at least one enemy hero.
Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4782 Posts
May 18 2015 15:57 GMT
#23
Thanks for the answer Now that I have you summoned: What do you think of as Zeratuls strongest maps? Are there any maps to avoid him on? Any heroes?
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
May 18 2015 16:23 GMT
#24
On May 19 2015 00:57 Ghostcom wrote:
Thanks for the answer Now that I have you summoned: What do you think of as Zeratuls strongest maps? Are there any maps to avoid him on? Any heroes?

His best maps are the ones that are roam/rotation heavy like Dragonshire, Tomb of the Spider Queen, and Blackheart's Bay. The only map where I don't like him is Haunted Mines. Range damage/siege comps are the name of the game there. Still, you may want to take him anyway if the enemy team has Jaina, Kael, or some other easily slaughtered glass cannon.
Big G
Profile Joined April 2011
Italy835 Posts
May 18 2015 17:14 GMT
#25
I'm trying this build:

1: regen master
4: focused attack (recently buffed from 50% to 75%)
7: follow through (same, from 25% to 40%)
10: VP
13: wormhole
16: rending cleave or double bombs
20: rewind


Double Bombs seems to activate Follow Through twice, so it should be better... but the rotation is slower, not to mention that a double skillshot isn't the best for garbage players like me. So I'll stick to Rending Cleave for a few games.

Either way, the burst is insane. On the other hand, without defensive talents I seem to die way too much before Wormhole.


xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
May 18 2015 17:18 GMT
#26
I feel like Zeratul needs a new talent at 16 that is AA focused. Berserk just isn't good. I take double bombs by default, but I don't feel good about it.
mydingling
Profile Joined June 2015
1 Post
June 10 2015 23:18 GMT
#27
I think Focused Attack @ Tier 2 is the overall better choice now for Zeratul after it got buffed to 75% from 50%. Some math:

Zeratul @ Lvl 20
AA Dmg: 294
Cleave: 415
Spike: 500

If you take gathering power your best case scenario damage bonus on abilities is (500 + 250 + 415) * .15 = ~174 bonus damage. This would be double bombs + cleave. But if you take focused attack you will get 294 * .75 = 220 bonus damage. Gathering Power only seems viable if you're going all out cleave and/or take rewind at 20 to double the bonus
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 10 2015 23:23 GMT
#28
On June 11 2015 08:18 mydingling wrote:
I think Focused Attack @ Tier 2 is the overall better choice now for Zeratul after it got buffed to 75% from 50%. Some math:

Zeratul @ Lvl 20
AA Dmg: 294
Cleave: 415
Spike: 500

If you take gathering power your best case scenario damage bonus on abilities is (500 + 250 + 415) * .15 = ~174 bonus damage. This would be double bombs + cleave. But if you take focused attack you will get 294 * .75 = 220 bonus damage. Gathering Power only seems viable if you're going all out cleave and/or take rewind at 20 to double the bonus

I always take focused attack now. Gathering Power is basically obsolete unless you're doing a Cleave build. I'll be updating this guide sometime soon given that the build and talent information is out of date.
Perseverance
Profile Joined February 2010
Japan2800 Posts
June 16 2015 08:06 GMT
#29
I want to start spamming Zeratul/Abathur games with my brother after reading this guide. Got stomped a few times by one of the top abathur mains on NA (Mill, 4000MMR) a few times with a zeratul on his team. You know what they say...if you can't beat em, join em.

Thanks for the guide man.
<3 Moonbattles
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 16 2015 13:42 GMT
#30
On June 16 2015 17:06 Perseverance wrote:
I want to start spamming Zeratul/Abathur games with my brother after reading this guide. Got stomped a few times by one of the top abathur mains on NA (Mill, 4000MMR) a few times with a zeratul on his team. You know what they say...if you can't beat em, join em.

Thanks for the guide man.

I hate playing with that guy. He has this annoying as shit symbiote shield-spam style where he always drops symbiote within seconds of putting it on someone, which of course creates all sorts of confusion.
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
June 16 2015 15:29 GMT
#31
On June 16 2015 22:42 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2015 17:06 Perseverance wrote:
I want to start spamming Zeratul/Abathur games with my brother after reading this guide. Got stomped a few times by one of the top abathur mains on NA (Mill, 4000MMR) a few times with a zeratul on his team. You know what they say...if you can't beat em, join em.

Thanks for the guide man.

I hate playing with that guy. He has this annoying as shit symbiote shield-spam style where he always drops symbiote within seconds of putting it on someone, which of course creates all sorts of confusion.


I often times do that as well. It makes for a shorter cooldown on shield and spikes.
Wat
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 16 2015 15:49 GMT
#32
On June 17 2015 00:29 Tenks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2015 22:42 xDaunt wrote:
On June 16 2015 17:06 Perseverance wrote:
I want to start spamming Zeratul/Abathur games with my brother after reading this guide. Got stomped a few times by one of the top abathur mains on NA (Mill, 4000MMR) a few times with a zeratul on his team. You know what they say...if you can't beat em, join em.

Thanks for the guide man.

I hate playing with that guy. He has this annoying as shit symbiote shield-spam style where he always drops symbiote within seconds of putting it on someone, which of course creates all sorts of confusion.


I often times do that as well. It makes for a shorter cooldown on shield and spikes.

Yeah, but he does it without regard to who is fighting whom and when. When Zeratul is actively ganking someone, leave the fucking symbiote on him until it's done.
Tenks
Profile Joined April 2010
United States3104 Posts
June 16 2015 16:07 GMT
#33
On June 17 2015 00:49 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 17 2015 00:29 Tenks wrote:
On June 16 2015 22:42 xDaunt wrote:
On June 16 2015 17:06 Perseverance wrote:
I want to start spamming Zeratul/Abathur games with my brother after reading this guide. Got stomped a few times by one of the top abathur mains on NA (Mill, 4000MMR) a few times with a zeratul on his team. You know what they say...if you can't beat em, join em.

Thanks for the guide man.

I hate playing with that guy. He has this annoying as shit symbiote shield-spam style where he always drops symbiote within seconds of putting it on someone, which of course creates all sorts of confusion.


I often times do that as well. It makes for a shorter cooldown on shield and spikes.

Yeah, but he does it without regard to who is fighting whom and when. When Zeratul is actively ganking someone, leave the fucking symbiote on him until it's done.


Yes for ganks you want to stay on someone. But for team fights I often times hop in/out of people to maximize the AOE damage and the shield absorb.
Wat
Perseverance
Profile Joined February 2010
Japan2800 Posts
June 16 2015 19:58 GMT
#34
On June 16 2015 22:42 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2015 17:06 Perseverance wrote:
I want to start spamming Zeratul/Abathur games with my brother after reading this guide. Got stomped a few times by one of the top abathur mains on NA (Mill, 4000MMR) a few times with a zeratul on his team. You know what they say...if you can't beat em, join em.

Thanks for the guide man.

I hate playing with that guy. He has this annoying as shit symbiote shield-spam style where he always drops symbiote within seconds of putting it on someone, which of course creates all sorts of confusion.


I always play vs him, never with him IIRC. All I know is I had the misfortune of being malfurion the first game I played vs him and zeratul just dumpstered me regardless of my positioning.
<3 Moonbattles
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 16 2015 21:10 GMT
#35
On June 17 2015 04:58 Perseverance wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 16 2015 22:42 xDaunt wrote:
On June 16 2015 17:06 Perseverance wrote:
I want to start spamming Zeratul/Abathur games with my brother after reading this guide. Got stomped a few times by one of the top abathur mains on NA (Mill, 4000MMR) a few times with a zeratul on his team. You know what they say...if you can't beat em, join em.

Thanks for the guide man.

I hate playing with that guy. He has this annoying as shit symbiote shield-spam style where he always drops symbiote within seconds of putting it on someone, which of course creates all sorts of confusion.


I always play vs him, never with him IIRC. All I know is I had the misfortune of being malfurion the first game I played vs him and zeratul just dumpstered me regardless of my positioning.

Playing with him is no prize, because he is also kind of a dick.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44534 Posts
June 17 2015 05:01 GMT
#36
This guide has been very useful for me Thanks xDaunt!
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Immersion_
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom794 Posts
July 03 2015 07:12 GMT
#37
Sorry for bumping this but it's a great guide and I just bought zeratul and falstad to add some fun to the roster...are the talent choice explanations at lvl 1 and 4 still up to date? I see a lot of focussed attack people at 4 over gatherting power? at 1 are the regen master talents still good or is it seasoned all the way now?
http://www.twitch.tv/sybar1te Sybarite#2581 - add me for Heroes games. .Play Hots and Overwatch currently. Feel free to add.
Weerwolf
Profile Joined November 2010
75 Posts
July 03 2015 08:27 GMT
#38
Since the nerf to mageatul a while back (double boms with rewind), the double bomb build has fallen a bit out of grace. Instead autoattack Zeratul is making a bit of headway. To make the most out of autoattack zeratul the focused attacks talent is used, and sometimes the seasoned marksman talent at level 1 is chosen. There is also a cleave build, but I find it kind of meh even though it does have good waveclear.
[Phantom]
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Mexico2170 Posts
July 03 2015 17:15 GMT
#39
This guide is in the process of being updated, meanwhile check out the comments of xDaunt from this post forward http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/heroes/482402-the-big-book-of-zeratul#20
WriterTeamLiquid Staff writer since 2014 @Mortal_Phantom
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