EPTSome new card spoilers from BRM:
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No release date announced yet though.
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kingjames01
Canada1603 Posts
Some new card spoilers from BRM: No release date announced yet though. | ||
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Hayl_Storm
The Shire633 Posts
Nefarian seems like another sweet option for decks that can get there but I'm not sure if he's good enough :/ | ||
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Volband
Hungary6034 Posts
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kingjames01
Canada1603 Posts
Assuming that some crazy unbeatable combo didn't slip past the playtesters, the inclusion of 31 new cards with the various effects that have been shown will allow more space for the truly talented players to shine. | ||
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Rimstalker
Germany734 Posts
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Qwicker
United Kingdom0 Posts
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Hayl_Storm
The Shire633 Posts
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
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Latham
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Roe
Canada6002 Posts
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The_Masked_Shrimp
425 Posts
With this effect it will add even more stealing potential to priest thief deck ^o^ Dragonkin crusher is very nice ! possibly a replacement to shieldmaiden in control warrior (or as a one of) And volcanic drake looks sick for zoo they will probably be able to put it down on turn 3 or 4. | ||
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Gheizen64
Italy2077 Posts
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On March 27 2015 02:43 The_Masked_Shrimp wrote: Why Nefarian looks so ugly ! :O With this effect it will add even more stealing potential to priest thief deck ^o^ Dragonkin crusher is very nice ! possibly a replacement to shieldmaiden in control warrior (or as a one of) And volcanic drake looks sick for zoo they will probably be able to put it down on turn 3 or 4. Volcanic drake is too slow for Zoo to be honest sadly. Probably see more use in control decks | ||
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jankke
Finland10 Posts
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Corrupted
United States1255 Posts
On March 27 2015 02:55 jankke wrote: Really don't believe in these new cards.. I'm with you. These 3 could be fun to play, but they do not seem at all competitive or consistent enough to find serious play. | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On March 27 2015 02:55 jankke wrote: Really don't believe in these new cards.. Drakanoid crusher actually looks pretty promising. Nef is really dependent on the class you are against as it stands I'd never use him against a Shaman just due to the sheer amount of bad spells shaman has. | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
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RyanEnder
United States0 Posts
Drakonid Crusher is the best card so far. 6/6 for 6 with potential 3/3 buff and the Dragon Tag. | ||
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TLCJR4LIFE
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On March 27 2015 03:00 Seuss wrote: Come now! You all know Nefarian -> 2x Totemic Might is the real dream! Please we all know Nefarian into 2 Frost Shocks is like 200% better | ||
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Tarrot
Taiwan85 Posts
Dragonoid Crusher: May be the best neutral 6+ drop in Arena. 6/6 for 6 is strong, and the potential to be 9/9 late game where, if you don't got removal, you lose. Constructed, I'm wondering if there can ever be a meta where you flood the board with BGH targets so the naked ones get taken out by BGH leaving legendaries the BGH can't handle. In general, if you get your opponent under 15 HP by turn 6, you've probably won already, so its too much a win more card in constructed. This combos well enough with Alexstraza, but I don't think its useful or good enough to take the place of the staple cards in most decks. Nefarian: Sucks, will see zero constructed play. 9 mana is for all intents your whole turn, to get an 8/8, to get two random spells from your opponent which you can't use till the next turn anyways. Maybe useful in Handlock to refill your hand for Mountain Giants. Was going to go over spells, but that will take forever to do. The problem is, for most cases, maybe you'll get something like a Mark of the Wild, which you can use, but that's not until a turn later. Compare Nef to Ysera as an example, and you're guaranteed to get an awesome card from Ysera (outside Dream which is still ok), while Nef is vulnerable to BGH and has a chance of giving you useless garbage. I just don't see random spells from an opponent which you still have to invest mana into being that useful, plus it being super late-game means it wouldn't get much play outside tournaments. | ||
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Alpino
Brazil4390 Posts
also nefarngian adds two extra cards to your total so it could potentially be used in a fatigue heavy meta | ||
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On March 27 2015 03:02 Drazerk wrote: Please we all know Nefarian into 2 Frost Shocks is like 200% better Nope, those are at least hypothetically useful. | ||
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Origence
Spain0 Posts
Maybe Nefarian should have higher stats, somewhere between Onyxia and Deathwing. The effect is cool. It's similar to Ysera with 2 guaranteed cards but weak to GBH. Is true it might not see competitive play but that shouldn't be the main goal anyways. | ||
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Mortal
2943 Posts
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The_Masked_Shrimp
425 Posts
On March 27 2015 03:25 Origence wrote: with 2 guaranteed cards but weak to GBH. Game Breaking Hunter? | ||
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Mortal
2943 Posts
Name change for April 1st inc. | ||
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AssumedNewb
France0 Posts
The Drakonid Crush (6/6 for 6 with a potential 9/9) can be a very strong play in mage, medium aggro deck, midrangehunter, ....). Yes, BGH. But him + the 8/8 for 5 from GvG + giants + DrBoom is more than the nimber of BGH your opponent gets. And dealing with a 9/9 is not that easy, is it ? Another great arena fighter. Nefarian ? Wait and see. A fun curve topper but I expected more from my favorite WoW boss (played as priest, "healed" annoying guildies). Right now he is fun but weaker than Ysera | ||
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Kenpark
Germany2350 Posts
On March 27 2015 02:42 Roe wrote: I'm thinking they're doing the 'when minions have been killed this turn' stuff in order to entice more board clearing rather than face hitting Yes seems so. Also to strenghten control decks ? Seems like a big follow up to lets say brawl to turn the game around. We havent seen any good early snowball cards have we ? So maybe they want to slow the meta down with things like Dragon in hand and killed this turn. Cant wait to build some Dragon control decks. Really interested which classes will benefit the most. | ||
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willoc
Canada1530 Posts
On March 27 2015 03:02 Drazerk wrote: Please we all know Nefarian into 2 Frost Shocks is like 200% better 2x Sense Demons obviously better since it costs more mana. | ||
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.kv
United States2332 Posts
most of them suck or have too much rng tied into it to make them reliable in competitive decks imo | ||
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Sejanus
Lithuania550 Posts
On March 27 2015 02:41 Drazerk wrote: There is just enough shit class spells in the game to make Nefarion useless That's exactly what people used to talk about Webspinner before Naxx release. | ||
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RyanEnder
United States0 Posts
Oh you're playing a Dragon Priest or Dragon Druid --- good luck using that Blade Furry, Deadly Poison or even getting full benefit of Tinker's Sharpsword Oil. The Shaman Totemic Might or Warlock Sense Demons aren't as bad since every other card is usable. But to play Nefarion as any non-weapon class seems to be a huge risk on account of its uselessness against Rogues. Just not well planned in my opinion. Needs to be changed to your own class. ---------- AssumedNewb Volcanic Drake looks better than good enough to me. Good enough would be if it specified yours or your opponents minions but being open is very powerful. Turn 3 is pretty easy to trade a 3/2 into a harvest golem and then a 2/3 into the second half of the golem -- 3 minions died and you still have your 2/3 sitting at 2/1, and can play a 6/4 on turn 3. If your opponent doesn't have a Yeti or spell to deal with it that's probably game right there. | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On March 27 2015 04:50 Sejanus wrote: That's exactly what people used to talk about Webspinner before Naxx release. Webspinner is a 1 cost and a beast Nef is a 9 cost | ||
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Sejanus
Lithuania550 Posts
Webspinner is a 1 cost and a beast Nef is a 9 cost Cool. You sure? | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
I mean nef is also a dragon but the dragon tag is worth less than the beast tag at the moment Also webspinner was deathrattle which is what made him so strong in undertaker decks | ||
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willoc
Canada1530 Posts
On March 27 2015 04:57 Drazerk wrote: I mean nef is also a dragon but the dragon tag is worth less than the beast tag at the moment Also webspinner was deathrattle which is what made him so strong in undertaker decks People will still talk shit and probably be wrong. I think that's what Sejanus was referring to. That being said, Nef *probably* won't be good unless there are some more dragon synergies that make him better in the upcoming reveals. | ||
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CarlosOmse
Germany507 Posts
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awesomoecalypse
United States2235 Posts
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Orcasgt24
Canada3238 Posts
It will be on youtube one day Nefarian into Sacrificial Pact vs Lord Jaraxxus | ||
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Noidberg
United States17 Posts
All in all with the information provided so far regarding dragon synergy putting these dragons in your deck will suck.. They do nothing to effect the board state besides increase their own stats in bad ways. | ||
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Roe
Canada6002 Posts
http://us.battle.net/hearthstone/en/blog/18390556/blackrock-mountain-explodes-into-action-on-april-2-3-26-2015 | ||
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Hare
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The artwork for Nefarian is ugly. | ||
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imallin
United States17 Posts
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Jerom
Netherlands588 Posts
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kingjames01
Canada1603 Posts
On March 27 2015 09:06 Jerom wrote: the weird thing about dragonid crusher is that you probably dont want its effect to activate due to BGH If you use BGH to kill my Drakonid Crusher, what are you going to do I play Dr. Boom? | ||
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ejozl
Denmark3377 Posts
6/4 Drake actually look pretty decent. I think Nefarian is pretty weak, but will at least allow new players to also play Dragon Decks. | ||
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Sejanus
Lithuania550 Posts
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
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Orcasgt24
Canada3238 Posts
On March 27 2015 09:52 Sejanus wrote: People are scared of BGH as if the opponent's every single card in a deck was BGH and when BGH is played opponent also draws a card. It's just ridiculously funny One day I'll play Ragnaros and BGH will not either be the top card of my opponents deck or already in his/her hand. Feels like the BGH is always there. | ||
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calgar
United States1277 Posts
On March 27 2015 08:47 imallin wrote: Good question. Probably will see no use unfortunately. Seems to be close to a case of strictly worse which is unfortunate for a character of such status in the lore. At least Illidan has company now eh?Why would anyone play Nefarian when Ysera exists? Same casting cost, non-bghable, also a dragon, and 1 Ysera card is probably on average worth as much as two random spells from the opponent class. | ||
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NHY
1013 Posts
On March 27 2015 11:40 calgar wrote: Good question. Probably will see no use unfortunately. Seems to be close to a case of strictly worse which is unfortunate for a character of such status in the lore. At least Illidan has company now eh? Look at Deathwing Look at Onyxia Now look at Nefarian Someone at Blizzard has it out for Black Wyrms. No wonder they are all dead. RIP | ||
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TAMinator
Australia2706 Posts
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lost_artz
United States366 Posts
It's meant to be a strong late-game removal play with the potential to turn games around. Honestly, just get the fuck over it already. BGH isn't changing. /rant -- Volcanic Drake has some potential to be good, but stats wise, being a 6/4, Piloted Sky Golem is a better option 9/10 times easy. Drakonid Crusher, damn good, 9/9 for 6 mana if your opponent has sub 16HP. Definitely a good addition to aggro/rush decks for some 'end-game' punch. Nefarian seems to be a bit underestimated. The usefulness would highly depend on what class you're playing against but keep in mind you're getting create 2 cards for free and still getting a 8/8 body for 9 mana. Yeah those spells could be something like Preperation + Deadly Poison, or Spellbender + Arcane Explosion, but at the same time they could be Lightning Storm + Hex. It's a gamble, but that doesn't make Nefarian bad, it's all RNG based. | ||
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jubil
United States2602 Posts
If he turns out too weak, I wonder if it would make him better or worse to restrict it to only rare or epic spells | ||
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Hellonslaught
Brazil0 Posts
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Orcasgt24
Canada3238 Posts
On March 27 2015 13:04 lost_artz wrote: I dont understand why everyone's so stuck on BGH. You guys ever heard of Shadow Word: Death? Sure SWD doesnt have a 4/2 body but in return it can target 5+ ATK vs BGH's 7+. It's meant to be a strong late-game removal play with the potential to turn games around. Honestly, just get the fuck over it already. BGH isn't changing. /rant -- Volcanic Drake has some potential to be good, but stats wise, being a 6/4, Piloted Sky Golem is a better option 9/10 times easy. Drakonid Crusher, damn good, 9/9 for 6 mana if your opponent has sub 16HP. Definitely a good addition to aggro/rush decks for some 'end-game' punch. Nefarian seems to be a bit underestimated. The usefulness would highly depend on what class you're playing against but keep in mind you're getting create 2 cards for free and still getting a 8/8 body for 9 mana. Yeah those spells could be something like Preperation + Deadly Poison, or Spellbender + Arcane Explosion, but at the same time they could be Lightning Storm + Hex. It's a gamble, but that doesn't make Nefarian bad, it's all RNG based. I'd say Prep is the best spell to get from Rogue. If your a weapon class, Deadly Poison is a great card. Could you imagine Deadly Poison on Ashbringer or Gorehowl? How good the spell you get is entirley depended on what you play. Vs Priest will be interesting. What happens when a Warrior casts Shadowform? | ||
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kingjames01
Canada1603 Posts
On March 27 2015 13:42 Orcasgt24 wrote: What happens when a Warrior casts Shadowform? What does the card say? Shadowform wrote: Your Hero Power becomes 'Deal 2 damage'. If already in Shadowform: 3 damage. This would happen for all Classes if they got the card. | ||
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Volband
Hungary6034 Posts
On March 27 2015 13:04 lost_artz wrote: I dont understand why everyone's so stuck on BGH. You guys ever heard of Shadow Word: Death? Sure SWD doesnt have a 4/2 body but in return it can target 5+ ATK vs BGH's 7+. It's meant to be a strong late-game removal play with the potential to turn games around. Honestly, just get the fuck over it already. BGH isn't changing. /rant Preach it, brother! It's getting really boring. | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On March 27 2015 13:14 jubil wrote: Oh damn, I was wondering how they were gonna make Nefarian a card, what with his "class calls" being so classic If he turns out too weak, I wonder if it would make him better or worse to restrict it to only rare or epic spells Issue is a lot of good spells are common Fireball, Flamestrike, Wrath, Swipe, Explosive Trap, Animal Companion, Frostbolt, Consecration, Power Word: Shield, Shadow Word: Pain, Shadow Word: Death, Velen's Chosen, Mind Control, Shadow Step, Cold Blood, Deadly Poison, Eviscerate, Sap, Fan of Knives, Tinker's Sharpsword Oil, Earth Shock, Lightning Bolt, Crackle, Hex, Darkbomb, Cleave, Slam, Shield Block, Battle Rage | ||
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TriZ
Belgium379 Posts
Nefarian mostly has a fun factor though. I'd like to use him in control warrior. The other drakes seem pretty good, though their upsides seem really situational. Muster for Battle into Volcanic Drake might become a thing. Imp-losion and Imp Gang Boss are also good I think. It could even have some synergy with the new Dragon Egg. Even Hunters might run it to use with unleash the hounds to get board presence after clearing aswell. People mention Drakonid Crusher in rush decks but I think it could just as easily fit in a big minion deck like handlock. | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On March 27 2015 17:02 TriZ wrote: For a quick overview somebody already listed the spells you can get with Nefarian. Nefarian mostly has a fun factor though. I'd like to use him in control warrior. The other drakes seem pretty good, though their upsides seem really situational. Muster for Battle into Volcanic Drake might become a thing. Imp-losion and Imp Gang Boss are also good I think. It could even have some synergy with the new Dragon Egg. Even Hunters might run it to use with unleash the hounds to get board presence after clearing aswell. People mention Drakonid Crusher in rush decks but I think it could just as easily fit in a big minion deck like handlock. I really doubt Drakonid Crusher could ever work in rush decks. A) Its 6 mana thats really late for a rush deck B) Does nothing the turn its played which makes the card pretty terrible C) Is a BGH target in an archetype that doesn't run BGH targets | ||
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weikor
Austria580 Posts
Casual mode Mountain. | ||
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TriZ
Belgium379 Posts
On March 27 2015 17:20 Drazerk wrote: I really doubt Drakonid Crusher could ever work in rush decks. A) Its 6 mana thats really late for a rush deck B) Does nothing the turn its played which makes the card pretty terrible C) Is a BGH target in an archetype that doesn't run BGH targets Yeah I probably should've said even likelier to fit in big minion decks, because of all the things you mentioned. But I would think you'd have to keep in mind that rush decks flood the board so it would be having to choose between BGH and a board clear which probably you can't do both at the same time. | ||
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Drazerk
United Kingdom31255 Posts
On March 27 2015 17:41 TriZ wrote: Yeah I probably should've said even likelier to fit in big minion decks, because of all the things you mentioned. But I would think you'd have to keep in mind that rush decks flood the board so it would be having to choose between BGH and a board clear which probably you can't do both at the same time. As a rush player i've found that board clears really don't bother me as opposed to taunts / minion removal  | ||
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IcemanAsi
Israel681 Posts
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TAMinator
Australia2706 Posts
On March 27 2015 18:23 IcemanAsi wrote: Neferian against druid, about one in five hundred to draw sr:fon combo. I'm giving it three weeks before we see it on trolden. Poor HearthFunny never gets recognition its always Trolden that gets mentioned | ||
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Douillos
France3195 Posts
Then you can get some value on the same turn you played him... | ||
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Origence
Spain0 Posts
On March 27 2015 19:37 Douillos wrote: I think Nefarian would be much better If the text would add, "these spell costs 0 mana". Then you can get some value on the same turn you played him... You can always get Preparation + Sabotage or similar ![[image loading]](http://wow.zamimg.com/images/hearthstone/cards/enus/original/ZAM_1000015.png?8038) Volcanic Drake can really be played on control decks with board clears or zoo-style decks. Both type of decks can easily kill 3+ minions one one turn and then being able to play a 6/4 almost for free is pretty good. Is really common having to board clear on one turn and then you don't have mana to play anything, giving initiative back to your opponent. With Volcanic Drake you can clear the board and play a 6/4 minion for free. it opens the door to way bigger comebacks and swing moves. | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On March 27 2015 19:37 Douillos wrote: I think Nefarian would be much better If the text would add, "these spell costs 0 mana". Then you can get some value on the same turn you played him... 0 mana flamestrike/pyroblast sounds fair. | ||
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Douillos
France3195 Posts
Since when was playing against Fuckin' Nefarian fair????? ))))))))) | ||
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awesomoecalypse
United States2235 Posts
Ysera seems better in a number of ways. Harder to kill, immune to BGH, and dream cards are more likely to help you win the game then random spells. Nefarian does draw 2 immediately (one more than Ysera if they both die in one turn) and put the opponent on a shorter clock, which isn't nothing, but I'd be surprised if Nefarian edged out Ysera in a slow control deck, which is what Dragon decks seem likely to be. Onyxia has an identical body, and instead of 2 spells in hand gives you a board of 1/1's, comparable in some ways to immediately casting a spell like Muster for Battle or Dark Wispers. Is a board of 1/1's better than 2 random spells in hand? Hard to say, but given that Onyxia never sees competitve play, even if Nefarian is better that might not be enough. Alexstraza is an identical body and in many cases equivalent to also drawing and casting a massive damage (or in some cases, self-heal) spell. Even if the deal 15 damage scenario doesn't happen all the time, you're usually dealing some amount of damage or getting in some self-healing, and the fact that it happens the turn you play it makes it a much stronger tempo play than simply adding cards to hand. Even against Mage, your odds of drawing spells that will deal more damage to face than a good Straza battlecry seem fairly low, so I'm having a hard time envisioning Nefarian replacing Alexstraza I dunno, even if Dragon decks become a thing (which I'm not ruling out, now having seen some of the strong synergies they're getting), I think it will result in the classic Dragons seeing more play rather than Nefarian. I think that the most exciting card in this preview, by far, is Volcanic Drake. Cheating out minions for cheaper than normal is an extremely powerful effect that absolutely wins games, and the potential cost reduction on this card is insane. | ||
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Inzan1ty
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awesomoecalypse
United States2235 Posts
On March 28 2015 03:58 Inzan1ty wrote: 10 out of 13 neutrals released so far. Nothing meta changing imo. Hardly anyone picked Sludge Belcher as a meta-changing card prior to Naxx, but it absolutely was. Predicting ahead of time what cards will shift the meta is tricky (unless they're blatantly OP like Dr Boom) | ||
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AugustoVS
Brazil0 Posts
I really like the idea of playing Nefarian on a thief Priest deck, specially considering I could get the Deadly Poison + Blade Flurry combo... Oh! Wait! I don't have any weapons Totemic Might, Savagery, Sense Demons and Bestial Wrath are the only other useless cards I can think of that you can get with Nef, though. Everything else can be used, even if just to draw a card or deal 1 damage. | ||
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awesomoecalypse
United States2235 Posts
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willoc
Canada1530 Posts
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Kabras
Romania3508 Posts
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NHY
1013 Posts
On March 27 2015 19:37 Douillos wrote: I think Nefarian would be much better If the text would add, "these spell costs 0 mana". Then you can get some value on the same turn you played him... I was thinking along the same line. Something similar to an unstable portal: Nefarian Battlecry: Add 2 random spells to your hand (from your opponent's class). They costs (1) less. Now that could see some playtime. Blizzard please. On March 28 2015 08:14 Kabras wrote: well this nefarian guy could be a counter to fatigue mage, decent against mage overall. also against priest i guess. but vs every other class he's shit. i think he will see a little play. a little. Remember that the cards go into your hand, not your deck. So it won't really counter fatigue mage. | ||
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Inzan1ty
1163 Posts
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parkin
1080 Posts
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Sejanus
Lithuania550 Posts
well this nefarian guy could be a counter to fatigue mage, Care to elaborate? | ||
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Emnjay808
United States10655 Posts
Gets 2. Win. | ||
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Real_Joy
United States0 Posts
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Roe
Canada6002 Posts
I'm guessing since you have more cards you'd be harder to fatigue. (Not sure) | ||
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Emnjay808
United States10655 Posts
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Ryzel
United States529 Posts
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