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Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-31 03:20:42
July 31 2009 03:08 GMT
#141
On July 31 2009 12:03 maleorderbride wrote:
run the build in ram tester in windows.

type "memory diagnostic" into the run bar. run it, and allow it to restart your computer.

Does it matter how my RAM is set up when I run it?
Right now the memory diagnostic is running with one stick in each red slot
Edit: Nothing turned up T_T
maleorderbride
Profile Joined November 2002
United States2916 Posts
July 31 2009 15:38 GMT
#142
your computer hates you. have you run OCCT?
Some cause happiness wherever they go; others, whenever they go.
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
July 31 2009 17:58 GMT
#143
Yeah, it ran fine
My CPU temperature stayed at around 62C
maleorderbride
Profile Joined November 2002
United States2916 Posts
August 01 2009 02:30 GMT
#144
Hmmm..that is odd. You can download seatools to check the HDD as well. Although, it does not sound like a HDD problem we still need to rule it out. Did you run OCCT for at least 4 hours? Preferably 8.

After that you should really get a spare PSU to test with. If the RAM/HDD/PSU/CPU all test OK then that really just leaves the motherboard =/
Some cause happiness wherever they go; others, whenever they go.
ghostWriter
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3302 Posts
August 01 2009 04:02 GMT
#145
What are the best ways to boost performance besides overclocking?
Sullifam
maleorderbride
Profile Joined November 2002
United States2916 Posts
August 01 2009 04:08 GMT
#146
SSD HDDs.
Some cause happiness wherever they go; others, whenever they go.
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-01 05:04:13
August 01 2009 04:59 GMT
#147
On August 01 2009 11:30 maleorderbride wrote:
Hmmm..that is odd. You can download seatools to check the HDD as well. Although, it does not sound like a HDD problem we still need to rule it out. Did you run OCCT for at least 4 hours? Preferably 8.

After that you should really get a spare PSU to test with. If the RAM/HDD/PSU/CPU all test OK then that really just leaves the motherboard =/

Blehhh I just closed seagate on accident after it ran for a few hours on long drive self test >_<
Running the short self drive test now
But it passed the SMART test

I ran OCCT for 7 hours and 40-something minutes
I don't really have any spare computer parts; the only ways I could get another PSU would be to buy another or steal one from someone :[

Edit: apparently the short tests run really fast, both of my HDDs passed the SMART check, short drive self test, and short generic

I'm probably just going to give my extra two sticks of RAM to my friend and buy another motherboard in a few years =\
maltice
Profile Joined July 2009
United States28 Posts
August 01 2009 18:45 GMT
#148
Welp, got the cooler master fan installed, installed it all correctly, and it seems completely fine, however, when i run OOCT my temps definitely go up to 73-74 degrees and then i have to turn it off... (it even makes my bluetooth mouse stop working).

Everything on my system is set exatcly the same way you have it in the guide...

Maleorder, you did say in the guide that it shouldn't really go over 68 right? Mine goes past 68 within a minute or two.... My temp in bios is about 48 degrees...

Am I running too hot even at idle? I put what seemed like the right about of paste an everything on the cpu... etc etc...

-malt
Whats the rumpus?
tgrokz
Profile Joined July 2009
United States30 Posts
August 02 2009 03:11 GMT
#149
i just was able to get OSX. after a day of frustration, most things are working. my wireless card (linksys WMP4g PCI) works only if theres no WPA/WEP set on the router. id like to be able to fix that, but after much internet searching, it doesnt seem likely.

my bigger problem is audio. i patched the appleHDA.kext file, but now it just says "HD Audio Output" under the sound devices. i was using the spidif and line-out on windows (spidif for gaming), but neither work now. i dont know why its just me having this problem, seeing as we have the same hardware.

also, im having some issues with dual booting. i had win7 running great, but when i tried installing OSX on the partition i made for it a while ago, it completely destroyed my windows partition. eventually ill try to reinstall it, but i dont want to damage the OSX boot partition. i dont feel like going through that mess again haha. i want to separate the drive into 3 parts. osx, win7, and shared file storage. i want the boot partitions to be 50gigs and the rest will be dedicated to the shared files (movies, music, etc), but i dont know what file system can be shared for windows and mac. i know FAT can, but thats a 4gig file limit and most HD movie files are larger than that. any other ideas?

either way, its great to have this baby running OSX.
maltice
Profile Joined July 2009
United States28 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-02 15:37:44
August 02 2009 15:36 GMT
#150

i want the boot partitions to be 50gigs and the rest will be dedicated to the shared files (movies, music, etc), but i dont know what file system can be shared for windows and mac. i know FAT can, but thats a 4gig file limit and most HD movie files are larger than that. any other ideas?


i actually run a windows pc next to the TV as a windows media center pc and threw a few 1tb drives in it, formatted them as NTFS drives, and made them completely accessible through my network. Once you do that OSX and windows can read/write to them without any troubles.

Not sure if thats an option for you but basically if you can make the drives network drives then you can bypass the file format problem. Other than that you're stuck with FAT.
Whats the rumpus?
dhe95
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1213 Posts
August 02 2009 16:11 GMT
#151
On August 03 2009 00:36 maltice wrote:
Show nested quote +

i want the boot partitions to be 50gigs and the rest will be dedicated to the shared files (movies, music, etc), but i dont know what file system can be shared for windows and mac. i know FAT can, but thats a 4gig file limit and most HD movie files are larger than that. any other ideas?


i actually run a windows pc next to the TV as a windows media center pc and threw a few 1tb drives in it, formatted them as NTFS drives, and made them completely accessible through my network. Once you do that OSX and windows can read/write to them without any troubles.

Not sure if thats an option for you but basically if you can make the drives network drives then you can bypass the file format problem. Other than that you're stuck with FAT.

For Mac, you can use NTFS3G to read/write NTFS drives, and for windows you can use MacDrive to read/write mac drives.
maltice
Profile Joined July 2009
United States28 Posts
August 03 2009 18:46 GMT
#152
Ah cool, I didn't know that. Thanks.
Whats the rumpus?
tgrokz
Profile Joined July 2009
United States30 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-04 00:44:27
August 03 2009 23:36 GMT
#153
im still working on formatting the large partition to work with osx and windows. it seems macdrive doesnt want to work with the osx journaled, and ntfs3g wont mount the partition when its NTFS. ideally id like to have it mac formatted and have macdrive run it on windows. im sure ill get it to work eventually

my bigger problem is getting the sound to work in OSX. i dont know how you guys did it, but if anyone has a solution, please let me know. as i said, system preferences isnt detecting any output devices at all. ive tried a ton of solutions from the net, but none fully worked.


other than these issues, im dual booting perfectly and my main programs are running amazingly. i feel like win7 is much quicker than OSX, but that might be because ive been favoring win7 since i got the computer.
maleorderbride
Profile Joined November 2002
United States2916 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-04 18:46:25
August 04 2009 18:38 GMT
#154
On August 02 2009 12:11 tgrokz wrote:
i just was able to get OSX. after a day of frustration, most things are working. my wireless card (linksys WMP4g PCI) works only if theres no WPA/WEP set on the router. id like to be able to fix that, but after much internet searching, it doesnt seem likely.

my bigger problem is audio. i patched the appleHDA.kext file, but now it just says "HD Audio Output" under the sound devices. i was using the spidif and line-out on windows (spidif for gaming), but neither work now. i dont know why its just me having this problem, seeing as we have the same hardware.

also, im having some issues with dual booting. i had win7 running great, but when i tried installing OSX on the partition i made for it a while ago, it completely destroyed my windows partition. eventually ill try to reinstall it, but i dont want to damage the OSX boot partition. i dont feel like going through that mess again haha. i want to separate the drive into 3 parts. osx, win7, and shared file storage. i want the boot partitions to be 50gigs and the rest will be dedicated to the shared files (movies, music, etc), but i dont know what file system can be shared for windows and mac. i know FAT can, but thats a 4gig file limit and most HD movie files are larger than that. any other ideas?

either way, its great to have this baby running OSX.


Try re-installing the Motherboard drivers (EP45 package+essentials). Then check the "About this Mac" to see if you have an audio output device.

That is all there is too it =/

SPIDIF might not work with that driver package. If that is the case, and the normal audio works, then let me know and I will google up an insanelymac page for how to get SPIDIF working.

Did you try googling insanelymac + whatever wireless IC you have? Don't always just go on the model, but actually look at the IC. Chances are its broadcom, realtek, etc. Then look for the 3rd party driver for it. Some realtek ICs have real mac drivers for them on their website as well.

Using one HDD for 2 OSes is more difficult, but still doable. The problem is you can't use Cham 2 without manually installing it (using terminal, which is the OS X version of DOS basically). I suggest getting a tiny HDD for the second OS, but if you don't want to do that then search insanely mac forums. There are at least 10 guides that have windows 7/OS X dual boot on the same HDD. You know how to install both at this point, so all you really need to do is find out how to setup the bootloader, and perhaps change the EFI partition in some way.

On August 02 2009 03:45 maltice wrote:
Welp, got the cooler master fan installed, installed it all correctly, and it seems completely fine, however, when i run OOCT my temps definitely go up to 73-74 degrees and then i have to turn it off... (it even makes my bluetooth mouse stop working).

Everything on my system is set exatcly the same way you have it in the guide...

Maleorder, you did say in the guide that it shouldn't really go over 68 right? Mine goes past 68 within a minute or two.... My temp in bios is about 48 degrees...

Am I running too hot even at idle? I put what seemed like the right about of paste an everything on the cpu... etc etc...

-malt



Did you have an E8400, or the Q9550? I forget...anyway, both idle and load temps are a bit high on your comp. Start off just lowering the voltage until you lose stability. If that does not solve your problem then I would wager you did not mount the HSF correctly and need to take the motherboard back out of the case =/

Make sure the four screws are tightened all the way down. A tiny bit of the screws peek out past the nuts if you do it correctly.

On August 01 2009 13:59 Dead9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 01 2009 11:30 maleorderbride wrote:
Hmmm..that is odd. You can download seatools to check the HDD as well. Although, it does not sound like a HDD problem we still need to rule it out. Did you run OCCT for at least 4 hours? Preferably 8.

After that you should really get a spare PSU to test with. If the RAM/HDD/PSU/CPU all test OK then that really just leaves the motherboard =/

Blehhh I just closed seagate on accident after it ran for a few hours on long drive self test >_<
Running the short self drive test now
But it passed the SMART test

I ran OCCT for 7 hours and 40-something minutes
I don't really have any spare computer parts; the only ways I could get another PSU would be to buy another or steal one from someone :[

Edit: apparently the short tests run really fast, both of my HDDs passed the SMART check, short drive self test, and short generic

I'm probably just going to give my extra two sticks of RAM to my friend and buy another motherboard in a few years =\


Might want to steal a PSU to test with =/ (Radioshack 30 day return policy!) as your comp not working with 8GBs of RAM really seems like you have some sort of hardware problem. Chances are it will crop up again later in the form of additional instability. It is best to solve it now.
Some cause happiness wherever they go; others, whenever they go.
tgrokz
Profile Joined July 2009
United States30 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-04 21:58:22
August 04 2009 21:41 GMT
#155
i have it dual booting totally fine. its just getting one of the OS's to read the either the NTFS or mac journaled format for the misc. data partition (460 gigs). for some reason, windows with MacDrive installed reads the OSX boot partition, but not the 460g partition while formatted as journaled. same goes for OSX and ntfs3g. it reads the windows part, but not the NTFS formatted large partition. its frustrating only because theres a whole lot of media i need to put on this computer from my old one, and i cant do that until i have that huge partition formatted so both OS's can read it. i tried a bunch of different formatting programs in windows and the OSX disk utility on the boot disk, but nothing seems to work.

no dice with the audio drivers. i reinstalled the essentials and mobo kexts and restarted, but im still seeing no audio outputs. weird stuff. should i be checking anything other than apply kext package?

thanks
maltice
Profile Joined July 2009
United States28 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-05 14:33:58
August 05 2009 14:20 GMT
#156

Did you have an E8400, or the Q9550? I forget...anyway, both idle and load temps are a bit high on your comp. Start off just lowering the voltage until you lose stability. If that does not solve your problem then I would wager you did not mount the HSF correctly and need to take the motherboard back out of the case =/

Make sure the four screws are tightened all the way down. A tiny bit of the screws peek out past the nuts if you do it correctly.


I went with the 9550.... and I actually did remove the fan and reinstall it just in case... I screwed everything down (tiny bit of screw peeking out) and screwed it to the point where it actually stops.


What I find interesting is OCCT. I can launch OCCT and turn infinite on.... and the CPU says, 48 degrees or whatever....

Then I click ON. As soon as I hit 'ON', the temp shoots up to 60ish degrees --- instantly. There is no period where you can tell its getting warmer and increasing in temp, it just goes from 48 to 60ish as soon as i hit ON... its weird... Anyway.. will keep messing around with it but figured I'd ask...

Anyone else using OCCT see this happen ? The temp jumping up instantly after hitting 'ON'?
Whats the rumpus?
maleorderbride
Profile Joined November 2002
United States2916 Posts
August 05 2009 18:37 GMT
#157
I assume that the CPU usage % likewise shoots up? Also, are you using the normal test mode (OCCT) or linpack? I would not suggest using linpack.

Definitely try lowering the voltages a bit if you are having those major temp problems.
Some cause happiness wherever they go; others, whenever they go.
maltice
Profile Joined July 2009
United States28 Posts
August 05 2009 18:56 GMT
#158
Yeah, percentage jumps straight to 98%-99% etc... SO maybe its accurate... never overclocked my cpu before so not sure..

I will follow your directions in a previous post to adjust the voltages and jazz.. but based on your guide, this motherboard, this cpu and this cpu fan you dont go above 68 degrees?

I mean it is hot as hell in NYC right now so maybe thats it... heh.

Thanks again, will update everyone soon.

-maltice
Whats the rumpus?
maleorderbride
Profile Joined November 2002
United States2916 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-05 23:41:13
August 05 2009 23:37 GMT
#159
On August 05 2009 06:41 tgrokz wrote:
i have it dual booting totally fine. its just getting one of the OS's to read the either the NTFS or mac journaled format for the misc. data partition (460 gigs). for some reason, windows with MacDrive installed reads the OSX boot partition, but not the 460g partition while formatted as journaled. same goes for OSX and ntfs3g. it reads the windows part, but not the NTFS formatted large partition. its frustrating only because theres a whole lot of media i need to put on this computer from my old one, and i cant do that until i have that huge partition formatted so both OS's can read it. i tried a bunch of different formatting programs in windows and the OSX disk utility on the boot disk, but nothing seems to work.

no dice with the audio drivers. i reinstalled the essentials and mobo kexts and restarted, but im still seeing no audio outputs. weird stuff. should i be checking anything other than apply kext package?

thanks



Nope, just check the apply kext package. When you say no audio ouputs, do you mean the speakers are not working, or that "About this Mac" still does not show any audio devices?

When you go to "System Preferences" and go to sound--do you have the option to select the sound device type? If so, select onboard speakers.

And what motherboard do you have? EP45-UD3L?

Regarding the partitioning, OS X can read NTFS by default. Is that not the case with you? Also, what partition style are your drives? Are these MBR or GPT? Can you give me a quick outline of the # of HDDs, partitions on them, and then the MBR/GPT and HFS+/NTFS or however you have them done.
Some cause happiness wherever they go; others, whenever they go.
tgrokz
Profile Joined July 2009
United States30 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-07 02:19:17
August 06 2009 20:44 GMT
#160
i have the UD3R, if that makes a difference. it says something along the lines of "no output devices" in the system preferences. about this mac is detecting 2 "Intel high definition audio" listings, but after it gives the device id and the audio id, theres nothing under "available devices". i tried running through the osxtools thing again (checked all the boxes) and applying the kexts, but still no luck.

as for the partitioning, i think theres something wrong with the drive sector itself. windows can read the partition when its formatted to NTFS via the disk management tool in the administrator section of the control panel, but OSX cant find it at all. it can, however see the windows boot partition, so its not like OSX cant read any NTFS partitions. in fact, OSX sees the drive as a 120gig disk, which is just my osx and win7 partitions (60 gigs each). even when i run disk utility off of the boot cd, it only recognizes those 2 partitions. i can format it to ntfs, fat, fat32, and even have it as unallocated space and OSX refuses to read it as anything higher than 120 gigs. i dont want to run a killdisk like program to fix it unless its the final option.
im using one HD. the partitions are as follows:
200MB GPT protective partition
62 gig HFSJ osx boot partition (primary)
128MB of unallocated space (i have no idea why thats there or how to get rid of it)
60 gig NTFS windows boot (primary)
472 GB NTFS (logical)

i tried making the large partition primary, but that didnt fix anything

EDIT: found a fix for the audio
http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=124794&pid=883418&mode=threaded&start=#entry883418

i have the back line out working, but nothing else. its the only real audio output id use in osx (spidif for gaming/movies), so im pretty happy about that. now if i can get the HDD working, ill be golden
i find it really strange that even about this mac it says my hard drive is only 128GB
im using partition wizard to wipe the partition and zero it out. maybe that will work.
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