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Yurebis
United States1452 Posts
I don't give a shit if fluoride is good for your teeth, if its under the "safe dosage" or not, I'm not drinking it. I want to minimize my daily POISON intake, alright? No matter how "low" it may be. You don't have to be a NUTJOB CONSPIRACY THEORIST OOO LOOK AT HIM, DOUBTING THE GOVERNMENT AND 364634 SCIENTISTS, just have to think for yourself. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On May 10 2009 13:38 Yurebis wrote: Things like these are self fulfilling lies.. people won't stop believing a lie they were told because that would mean other things they also believe in were lies too. I don't give a shit if fluoride is good for your teeth, if its under the "safe dosage" or not, I'm not drinking it. I want to minimize my daily POISON intake, alright? No matter how "low" it may be. You don't have to be a NUTJOB CONSPIRACY THEORIST OOO LOOK AT HIM, DOUBTING THE GOVERNMENT AND 364634 SCIENTISTS, just have to think for yourself. thinking for yourself isnt a good idea when you think that poorly | ||
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Yurebis
United States1452 Posts
On May 10 2009 13:40 IdrA wrote: thinking for yourself isnt a good idea when you think that poorly Just going along can be just as dangerous. And I'm not debating this. If people want to drink fluoride and take mercury shots I don't care, as long as it isn't mandatory (just yet). | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On May 10 2009 14:12 Yurebis wrote: Just going along can be just as dangerous. And I'm not debating this. If people want to drink fluoride and take mercury shots I don't care, as long as it isn't mandatory (just yet). no, going along with scientists is not as dangerous as being an idiot | ||
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Yurebis
United States1452 Posts
No, thank you. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On May 10 2009 14:29 Yurebis wrote: Because scientists are always right and we should do whatever they say? No, thank you. you just said that a safe dose of something is poisonous think about that really hard they may not always be right, but they are never that wrong | ||
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Yurebis
United States1452 Posts
All they know is based on tests, but a test is only as accurate as the tester wants it to be. Everything is prone to corruption, falsification, and massive lies sustaining themselves. You have to be the decider on what is good for you or not, do not ever go by what others say. I have looked into it and from what I've seen, it's bad. Really bad. I'm not going to reiterate, cite sources, or anything. I don't care. I'm not taking something knowing that it is poison, safe levels or not. Even with all the testing in the world, with the best of intentions, even in that case, there just can't be an extensive experiment which considers the long term effects of fluoride build-up. Say 10 years, 20 years. Do their tests even last that long? There's not enough research, and there never will be. Because people are put up with their minds that it's ok, it's harmless. Is it really? No one can tell. All I know is that it's poison, and that, is admitted. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
a safe dose is, by definition, not poisonous. you question the quality of their experiments, but you have done no tests at all. in fact you base your opinion on absolutely nothing. | ||
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Yurebis
United States1452 Posts
Everything can be lethal in high enough doses, it is no comparison. A safe dose is as safe as the determination made by the tests done beforehand. If a control group does not die or suffer any collateral effects in X months after taking X amount, it's safe by those means. You base your opinion on those who believe in such tests. I don't believe in such tests, because they do not ever consider the long term effects. Fair enough? | ||
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Physician
United States4146 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On May 10 2009 13:38 Yurebis wrote: Things like these are self fulfilling lies.. people won't stop believing a lie they were told because that would mean other things they also believe in were lies too. I don't give a shit if fluoride is good for your teeth, if its under the "safe dosage" or not, I'm not drinking it. I want to minimize my daily POISON intake, alright? No matter how "low" it may be. You don't have to be a NUTJOB CONSPIRACY THEORIST OOO LOOK AT HIM, DOUBTING THE GOVERNMENT AND 364634 SCIENTISTS, just have to think for yourself. Absolute stupidity stupidifies absolutely. | ||
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threepool
United States150 Posts
On May 10 2009 14:40 Yurebis wrote:I have looked into it On May 10 2009 14:40 Yurebis wrote:Say 10 years, 20 years. Do their tests even last that long? I love it when people claim to have done research and then turn around and say that they don't even know the basic facts of the studies... While you guys are worried about an approved water treatment that's been around for decades, many companies are literally dumping toxic waste into water supplies around the globe. They can get away with that shit because the people in developed nations are too distracted by tabloid conspiracy theories and just generally jerking each other off. | ||
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KwarK
United States42691 Posts
There has been fluoride in the water supply in this country for decades with the only long term effect being an improvement in the teeth. I find it amazing that when the debate is (from like page 2 of the topic at least) how there is fluoride in drinking water and has been for decades you insist you don't trust it because it's untested on a large group of people for 10-20 years. Are you serious? We're talking about a sample size of hundreds of millions of people over several generations and you're saying the sample size isn't big enough to satisfy you that it's safe? Water will kill you if you drink too much. Chocolate is known to be toxic (everyone knows not to feed dogs chocolate because it's poisonous), it's just the lethal dose is more than any human generally consumes. The fact that an unsafe dose exists doesn't make the safe dose any less safe. Jeez. | ||
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KwarK
United States42691 Posts
On May 10 2009 23:00 Physician wrote: fluoride is toxic shit, amazing how some people are still defending its use lol.. on top of it, no essential function for fluoride has been proven in humans. Chocolate is toxic shit. It is high in theobromine which will kill you if you ingest a large amount. Doesn't make the safe dose any less safe. Aren't you meant to be some kind of doctor? | ||
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mrgerry
United States1508 Posts
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KwarK
United States42691 Posts
On May 11 2009 05:43 mrgerry wrote: I think Physician was more defending it as fluoride has NO use. Chocolate has a use. People would be sad without chocolate =( He said no essential function. In terms of health fluoride is proved to improve dental health. While that may not be essential to survival (although as Frits mentioned earlier it used to be standard to get all your teeth removed and replaced age 21) it's certainly valuable in improving quality of life. Fluoride is definitely more useful than chocolate from a health perspective, while being about as dangerous. | ||
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mrgerry
United States1508 Posts
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zizou21
United States3683 Posts
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QuoC
United States724 Posts
On May 10 2009 14:50 IdrA wrote: water itself is lethal in high enough doses... why do you keep drinking it? a safe dose is, by definition, not poisonous. you question the quality of their experiments, but you have done no tests at all. in fact you base your opinion on absolutely nothing. and what right do you have to say that we have nothing to base our opinions on? are you really trying to go on threads and try to put people down because they're voicing their opinions? OPINIONS ARE OPINIONS, they don't have to be based on anything, so what were your intentions in this thread? To put your 2 cents in while making your post valuable by putting down a "noob poster"? maybe he based his opinions on RECALLS? | ||
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inlagdsil
Canada957 Posts
On May 11 2009 06:57 QuoC wrote: idra, i've noticed you butting into threads like this and arguing against someone who has only double-digit posts.. what are you doing with your time in korea? and do you even have a bachelors degree in any kind of science to broadly say that you utterly trust the government 100%? and what right do you have to say that we have nothing to base our opinions on? are you really trying to go on threads and try to put people down because they're voicing their opinions? OPINIONS ARE OPINIONS, they don't have to be based on anything, so what were your intentions in this thread? To put your 2 cents in while making your post valuable by putting down a "noob poster"? maybe he based his opinions on RECALLS? Please don't vear off topic. I found Idra's posts to be a breath of fresh air. The point of posting opinions is to submit them to criticism. Criticize the opinions, not the poster. EDIT: @Physician I'd like a clarification on what you mean. Are you saying that the teeth benefits have not been proven, or that other than that fluorine has no benefits? Are you saying that the quantities to which we are exposed are too great? | ||
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