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iGgs
Profile Joined April 2003
Russian Federation772 Posts
November 27 2003 00:29 GMT
#1
this is the big literature thread; feel free to discus any works of literature you find cool / good, for those of you who know how to read
currently im reading the grapes of wrath by steinbeck for school!
i dont attend first hour english very often though cuz i oversleep a lot!
im also reading atlas shrugged by ayn rand out of my own interest!
fitzgerald and the great gatsby own!
Zzang
Profile Joined May 2003
1303 Posts
November 27 2003 01:04 GMT
#2
Currently hooked up on: Fantasy: Dragonlance series: Chronicles & Legends trilogies, after that over 100 non-core Dragonlance books.
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Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
November 27 2003 01:05 GMT
#3
best books:

A child called it and sequals
Night

-_-
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LumberJack
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3355 Posts
November 27 2003 01:18 GMT
#4
Ishmail
The Giver
Illusions: Tales of a Reluctant Messiah
Demain
Siddhartha
Man fears the darkness, and so he scrapes away at the edges of it with fire.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
November 27 2003 01:22 GMT
#5
i thought the giver was pretty damn good

on the other hand i thought siddhartha was way overrated
Queequeg
Profile Joined September 2003
Germany263 Posts
November 27 2003 03:42 GMT
#6
u talk about Siddhartha by Hesse?
Amnesty
Profile Joined April 2003
United States2054 Posts
November 27 2003 03:50 GMT
#7
Brave new world
Lost horizon
Cannery row (short story, life like characters)
Forgotten realms books
The sky just is, and goes on and on; and we play all our BW games beneath it.
Veigh
Profile Joined November 2003
Netherlands300 Posts
November 27 2003 03:55 GMT
#8
1984 (Orwell) for sure
damn that book had a huge impact on my thoughts
And also on my opinion on certain new laws in Holland

Like making it punishable not always having an ID with you.
It really makes my fears about a control-situation come true
Mirror matchups are imbalanced by definition
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
Last Edited: 2003-11-27 04:32:12
November 27 2003 03:59 GMT
#9
Indeed, 1984 was AWESOME :O
Speed of dark (by Elizabeth Moon, really good book!)
The hitchhikers guide to the galaxy
Almost any Terry Pratchet book, those are really nice to read from time to time (good omens rocked :O!).
When I was between 9-12 (in my dark, ancient history a whooping 2 years ago) I read Lotr 7 times per book, as well as reading silmarillion/the hobbit 4 times each -_- Just loved them, can't bring myself to read it on english now though- I just know exactly what's going to happen t.t
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Moth
Profile Joined November 2003
Sweden468 Posts
November 27 2003 04:17 GMT
#10
Last winter i consumed the wheel of times. Best fantasy i ever read, inluding lotr and others
Its all about the Benjamins
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28621 Posts
November 27 2003 04:22 GMT
#11
i've started reading a lot now

however mostly in norwegian so it doesn't help you guys! ^_^
I can't contribute with any good english books not mentioned in this thread though, so I won't.

im going to buy DBC Pierres little god vernon soon though.
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Anal_Ripper
Profile Joined December 2002
Russian Federation1233 Posts
Last Edited: 2003-11-27 04:32:08
November 27 2003 04:28 GMT
#12
yeah, Terry Pratchet has to be one of the funniest authors around. His books are so art, every time you re-read a book you find some new jokes

when I was a kid I really liked Mark Twain's books about Tom Sawyer and Hucklberry Finn. I reread them in english a couple of years ago and still liked it a lot.

My other favourites are Martin Eden, the Cowperwood trilogy (Financier, Titan, Stoic) I like all of Theodor Dreiser books btw, and David Copperfield by Charles Dickens and of course many art russian books
Better to fast than eat of every meat, better to live alone than mate with all
Veg
Profile Joined October 2002
Canada2945 Posts
November 27 2003 04:42 GMT
#13
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DJEtterStyle
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
United States2766 Posts
November 27 2003 04:43 GMT
#14
Slaughterhouse Five (Vonnegut)
1984 (Orwell)
Great Gatsby (Fitzgerald)
Steal This Book (Hoffman)
The Prince (Machiavelli)

Some author names may be mispelled. =P
actioN
Profile Joined July 2003
Denmark229 Posts
November 27 2003 04:47 GMT
#15
Bret Easton Ellis' American Psycho!! gogo
LaptopLegacy
Profile Joined October 2002
Netherlands602 Posts
November 27 2003 04:59 GMT
#16
Brave New World >>> 1984, Orwell's book is so irrealistic
Anybody who fears for 1984 becoming reality is just out of his mind.

I'm currently reading Dr. Zchivago by Boris Pasternak, it's a great book about the live of a doctor during the Russian Revolution.
Luctor et Emergo
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33296 Posts
November 27 2003 05:13 GMT
#17
grapes of wrath rocked :O
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
LumberJack
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3355 Posts
November 27 2003 05:27 GMT
#18
first time i read siddhartha i didn't get much out of it either, though when u read it again, and u really take the time to learn the caste system of time, all the definitions of the words they use, it means more and more. Then when u read it just thinking about all the philisophical aspects, its like another universe. Very powerful. Ishmail was a mandatory summer read for all entering freshman at northern arizona university, seemed kinda lame, but once i read it, it completely changed my life. Do not read it and expect to look at the world the same. I will always be ever grateful to him and what he's done.
Man fears the darkness, and so he scrapes away at the edges of it with fire.
The0ne
Profile Joined April 2003
United States89 Posts
November 27 2003 05:45 GMT
#19
Siddharta i thought was quite good, takes a lot of thinking though!!
I loved 1984, the situation is really unrealistic, but it's just to emphasize Orwell's point about control, etc. I haven't read Brave New World, that's by Aldous Huxley right?
Grapes of Wrath was so readable!
wish i had a cool quote to go here =(
KorvspaD
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Sweden468 Posts
November 27 2003 06:04 GMT
#20
Snow Crash
for all we could have done and all that could have been...
Midnight01
Profile Joined October 2003
United States14 Posts
November 27 2003 06:14 GMT
#21
Rereading the Vampire Chronicles by Anne Rice. (Interview with a Vampire right now.)

Stephen King remains, at the moment, my favorite author, although recently I haven't much liked his books. Mainly because he's edging more towards fantasy then fantasy/horror mix. (Ex. Dreamcatcher, From a Buick 8)
Konni
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Germany3044 Posts
November 27 2003 06:16 GMT
#22
The Dark Tower
Veigh
Profile Joined November 2003
Netherlands300 Posts
November 27 2003 06:20 GMT
#23
On November 27 2003 13:59 LaptopLegacy wrote:

Brave New World >>> 1984, Orwell's book is so irrealistic
Anybody who fears for 1984 becoming reality is just out of his mind.

I'm currently reading Dr. Zchivago by Boris Pasternak, it's a great book about the live of a doctor during the Russian Revolution.



And Brave New World is more realistic? People being brought up in institutes and consuming soma all the time is more realistic then a government controlling their citizens?

Of course I understand it's all overdone, but 1984 is just as clear making its point as Brave New World, and besides...for the pessimistic people among us, it feels good to have a dark future

By the way, The Boys from Brazil, by Ira Levin, is quite fun to read
Mirror matchups are imbalanced by definition
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
November 27 2003 06:24 GMT
#24
On November 27 2003 13:42 Veg wrote:
brave new world is quite good

i have to check out 1984

reading Wizard of Earth Sea right now for english class
its a little lame T_T probobly more like harry potter than LOTR

oh well its better than most books english class has to offer ~_~

Wizard of earth sea.. Hm, about some kid on some island becoming a wizard (it's called "the wizard from the island world" if you translate it directly from swedish so I'm not sure if it's the same). If so, ye read it some years ago-,- Was OK.
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Anal_Ripper
Profile Joined December 2002
Russian Federation1233 Posts
November 27 2003 06:38 GMT
#25
On November 27 2003 15:14 Midnight01 wrote:
Rereading the Vampire Chronicles by Anne Rice. (Interview with a Vampire right now.)

Stephen King remains, at the moment, my favorite author, although recently I haven't much liked his books. Mainly because he's edging more towards fantasy then fantasy/horror mix. (Ex. Dreamcatcher, From a Buick 8)

I really dug the Dead Zone, it's easily the best novel by King I ever read (and I read a lot of them)
Better to fast than eat of every meat, better to live alone than mate with all
x[ReaPeR]x
Profile Joined February 2003
United States3447 Posts
November 27 2003 06:38 GMT
#26
No one here likes Starship Troopers? Aw.

Finished re reading 1984 recently, great book.'

Just finished Night, the end is beautifully written.

Starting Ender's Game soon, my cousin says I must read it, so I will.
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threshy
Profile Joined March 2003
Qatar550 Posts
November 27 2003 07:03 GMT
#27
Pretty much anything by Nabokov is both beautiful and funny, the pairing of which is to me one of the more difficult things to do properly.

Kafka too is very funny, though you really have to pay attention and be willing to be jerked around.

My favorite novel of all, though, is Madame Bovary, by Flaubert. It's just, well, you have to read it. It's both infinitely layered and uninterpretable.

As for not-really-literature, Sphere, by Michael Crichton kicks indiscriminate anus. I enjoy most of his books but Sphere is by far the best.
threshy
Profile Joined March 2003
Qatar550 Posts
November 27 2003 07:12 GMT
#28
And re: an earlier comment:

Brave New World seems much more realistic to me than 1984 (which, so far as I know, was never meant to be a realistic prediction of the future anyway). It is far easier to subdue and brainwash a population through eugenics and drugs than through fear and patriotism. Politicians everywhere have known this for quite some time--if you distract the people with anything, they'll let you do whatever you please.

An interesting and somewhat relevant quotation (Alexis de Tocqueville):
"The American Republic will endure, until politicians realize they can bribe the people with their own money."

(the implication being that a speciously munificent tyranny will soon follow suit).
A3iL3r0n
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States2196 Posts
November 27 2003 07:41 GMT
#29
Good Night Moon
My psychiatrist says I have deep-seated Ragneuroses :(
Jin
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Canada439 Posts
November 27 2003 07:45 GMT
#30
Memoirs of a Geisha
^-^v
MaxPepper
Profile Joined January 2003
Sri Lanka298 Posts
November 27 2003 08:05 GMT
#31
The Metamorfosis - Franz Kafka

its a short book, but i really recommend it.
Freedom is not something you live for, its something you die for.
TeCh)PsylO
Profile Joined October 2002
United States3552 Posts
November 27 2003 08:09 GMT
#32
Dune chronicles. children of Dune is probably the best
People change, then forget to tell each other - Susan Scott
Macrophage
Profile Joined October 2002
Germany730 Posts
November 27 2003 08:22 GMT
#33
brave new world is excellent, siddharta isnt, has very little to do with buddhism, just some silly kind of mixture from relativistic ideas hesse got and christian ideals. i dont like hesse much in general.. but so far here has only been mentioned real school literature ;(
so here just some titles: any dostojewskij, any chechov, look back in anger john osborne, josef conrad heart of darkness, borchert draussen vor der tuer, Stanislav Lem Solaris, Buechner Danton, joyce dubliners (school book alarm), remarque im westen nichts neues, truman capote in cold blood.. theres much more still ;p
BigBalls
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States5354 Posts
November 27 2003 08:24 GMT
#34
sphere
congo
andromeda strain all by crichton

1984 by orwell

a prayer for owen meany by john irving

song of solomon by toni morrison

100 years of solitude, cant remember author


i started reading godel, escher, bach...put it down when i took off for school again, i should pick it up over christmas break

if you guys could use google and post direct links to the maphacks here it would be greatly appreciated. - Nazgul
karate
Profile Joined October 2003
Norway120 Posts
November 27 2003 08:27 GMT
#35
Our beloved norwegian nazi-hero Knut Hamsun :D
Got to love him.
Micron
Profile Joined June 2003
United States208 Posts
November 27 2003 08:28 GMT
#36
Batman and Robin #37
Dont Be A Fool
Chibi[OWNS]
Profile Joined May 2003
United Kingdom10597 Posts
November 27 2003 09:22 GMT
#37
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HnR)hT
Profile Joined October 2002
United States3468 Posts
Last Edited: 2003-11-27 09:50:08
November 27 2003 09:47 GMT
#38
I remember good old school days when I refused to read a number of classics such as Great Gatsby, Grapes of Wrath, The Jungle, 1984, Jazz, Things Fall Apart, The Oddysey, Gilgamesh, Guilliver's Travels, Faust, and probably way more that I completely forgot. I didn't do too well in my Lit classes .

edit: What the fuck? Every single time I post on these forums I make glaring typos and blatantly fucked up syntax that I NEVER see right away.
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36374 Posts
November 27 2003 10:22 GMT
#39
Timothy Zahn and his 5 Star Wars books (the only ones that are good in the 23894739857 series)

James Clavell: Shogun, Tai-Pan

Orson Scott Card: Ender's Game, Ender's Shadow, etc.
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VaNille
Profile Joined November 2002
Canada204 Posts
November 27 2003 10:27 GMT
#40
Grapes of Wrath was totally unreadable. I struggled until the page 100 or so when I said to hell with it and gave it up.

It wasn't that it wasn't a great novel, in fact I think it captured the atmosphere of the era very very well. I, however, disliked having to read the dialects and try to decipher what the hell the characters are saying. Steinbeck was amazing in how realistic he portrayed the situations and characters but the dialogue put me to sleep.

I like his other book though: East of Eden. That's a beautiful book. I remember when I read the first 10 pages I could not put it down. I was reading it during work and I must have finished half the book in the first place alone.

The first great book I remember reading was Catcher in the Rye. That book made me cry. Salinger embodied the angst, cynicism of all teans in Holden so well that the book has rightfully earned it's place in the annals of great literature.

I read some Rohinton Mistry, Family Matters and A Fine Balance, several months ago. SOOOOOOOOOOOO GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD! Balance was 800 pages but I don't think it was long enough. It should have been longer. Same with Family Matters. Man I can't wait for his next novel to come out.

To be or not to be... Make up yer friggin' mind!?~
pyogenes
Profile Joined May 2003
Brazil1401 Posts
November 27 2003 10:31 GMT
#41
lol the title is called literature and people are mentinoing lotr and shit =\

literature to me is like not novels or fantasy and crap like that i dono :O

but when i think literature i think like shakespeare orwell steinbeck thomas hardy etc..
but since we are going that route @_@

yes i like crichtcon (spelling? ^^) books
1984 (turned me on during sex scenes wtf) too, night was kind of dark and scary =_=
mvnL
Profile Joined January 2003
Poland394 Posts
November 27 2003 10:34 GMT
#42
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pyogenes
Profile Joined May 2003
Brazil1401 Posts
November 27 2003 10:42 GMT
#43
On November 27 2003 19:34 mvnL wrote:
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On November 27 2003 19:31 intotherei wrote:
lol the title is called literature and people are mentinoing lotr and shit =\

literature to me is like not novels or fantasy and crap like that i dono :O

but when i think literature i think like shakespeare orwell steinbeck thomas hardy etc..

What..

there is a big diff between something written by someone like dickens and somethign written by someone like michael cricthcon or someone like that
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27139 Posts
November 27 2003 11:08 GMT
#44
As to the above comment, LoTR virtually created a whole new genre of literature, and it IS indeed literature.

I was a fantasy junkie for a long time, so I still have very fond memories of some fantasy:
- Wheel of Time, although it has gone on so long it is now virtually unreadable
- George R R Martins series ( I cant remember the title, Song of Ice and Fire I think) really took over from Jordan for me
- Guy Gavriel Kay, the Fionavar Tapestry
- The Dark Tower Series may be the best fantasy ever written, especially when one reads Kings other, non tower, books from the last 10 years that give you tons of hints about the dark tower world.

Now that I have been in school for so long, I mostly read my assaigned reading, but they are also very good.

-All Quiet on the Western Front + The Road Back by Erich Maria Remarque should be mandatory reading for all student I think. It illustrates a kind of history that is usually overlooked in favour of statistics and battle names in the history of the first world war.
-Another good book is Darkness at Noon, which deals with the Purges in Russia in Stalins time, very interesting if you know anything about that period.

ModeratorGodfather
Meta
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States6225 Posts
November 27 2003 11:42 GMT
#45
On November 27 2003 13:17 Moth wrote:
Last winter i consumed the wheel of times. Best fantasy i ever read, inluding lotr and others

yes that is a very good series
good vibes only
suffeli *
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Finland772 Posts
November 27 2003 11:44 GMT
#46
Hehe. I've heard that some people say they have read Orwell's1984 just because it automaticly makes them intelligent. The thruth is that they've never a page of that book and they dislike it.

Anyway...

I dislike scifi/fantasy books. Especially dragonlance and wheel of time series are total rubbish and they have no innovative ideas whatsoever, characters are shallow and the story is like from teenage roleplay-board game. (no offence to anyone). Anyway "pocketbook or teenage" fantasy doesn't appeal to me. There are few exceptions though.

My altime favourites:

H.P. Lovecraft + (Edgar Allan Poe)
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Very groundbraking books, though some of them lack colour. Still they are the best horror ever written.
-Try Haunting in the Dark, Colour of space.

Hermann Hesse
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Very "confusing" some might say, books with Freudian and Jungian elements, but nonetheless excellent literature about life/youth/death.
-Try Siddharta, Steppenwolf + all the younger Hesse.

Soren Kierkegaard
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The danish extentialist before extentialism. Philosophical books about piety and religion. His poetry is the best.

That is all.
++Suffeli

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BroOd
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Austin10831 Posts
November 27 2003 11:45 GMT
#47
The DaVinci Code by Dan Brown is a good modern thriller.
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Jamers
Profile Joined October 2002
Israel1327 Posts
November 27 2003 11:51 GMT
#48
Wuthering Heights
100 Years of Solitude
Anything by Neal Stephenson
Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27139 Posts
November 27 2003 11:53 GMT
#49
On November 27 2003 20:44 suffeli wrote:
Hehe. I've heard that some people say they have read Orwell's1984 just because it automaticly makes them intelligent. The thruth is that they've never a page of that book and they dislike it.



Actually, I, along with I am sure many others here, read 1984 for the first time in high school.

An interesting side note, I was reminded of 1984 when I saw a news report about how the US government, and more recently the Canadian government, is looking to put up small blimps with high resolution cameras to monitor parks highways and cities.

These blimps are fairly cheap, and could be put up in large numbers. The cameras on these things are powerful enough to pick up license plate #'s or facial descriptions.

Your back yard BBQ's, hikes in the woods and travel patterns could soon be all relevant information to the federal government. Some people said earlier in the thread that the world of 1984 could never happen. Maybe not, but this is just another step foreward.
ModeratorGodfather
karate
Profile Joined October 2003
Norway120 Posts
November 27 2003 11:54 GMT
#50
On November 27 2003 19:22 Hot_Bid wrote:
Timothy Zahn and his 5 Star Wars books (the only ones that are good in the 23894739857 series)

James Clavell: Shogun, Tai-Pan

Orson Scott Card: Ender's Game, Ender's Shadow, etc.


question: Are the other books in the "Ender" series at the same level as Ender's Game?
tiffany
Profile Joined November 2003
3664 Posts
November 27 2003 11:58 GMT
#51
no one has mentioned lord of the flies why ?
Jamers
Profile Joined October 2002
Israel1327 Posts
November 27 2003 12:01 GMT
#52
On November 27 2003 20:54 karate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2003 19:22 Hot_Bid wrote:
Timothy Zahn and his 5 Star Wars books (the only ones that are good in the 23894739857 series)

James Clavell: Shogun, Tai-Pan

Orson Scott Card: Ender's Game, Ender's Shadow, etc.


question: Are the other books in the "Ender" series at the same level as Ender's Game?


The sequel is pretty good. The third book - Xenocide, is rather boring, but it was still very interesting to me since I was a big Ender's game fan. The fourth book is rather horrible, but it is short, and if you already bothered to read xenocide (1000 pages?), then you should definitely read the last one just to finish the series.

Ender's Shadow OWNS
Shadow of the Hegemon OWNS

kk
x[ReaPeR]x
Profile Joined February 2003
United States3447 Posts
November 27 2003 12:02 GMT
#53
On November 27 2003 20:58 tiffany wrote:
no one has mentioned lord of the flies why ?


The Lord of the Flies is highly highly overrated.
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AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7454 Posts
November 27 2003 12:30 GMT
#54
Shakspeare is literature? It was written down so as the actors could memorize there parts...

Any books by
Richard Russo
Mary clark Higgins
Stienbeck
Janet Fitch
Micheal cunningham
and john irving

Favorite plays I've read
Street car named desire
Cat on a hot tin roof
Macbeth
The twin manechami [I can't spell it, this isn't even close]

and that's all I can think of right now

reaper I agree that book is overrated, and imo way way to drastic and uncharacteristic of human behavior, the entire philosphy of hte book goes against how I view humans.
NickDapaulo
Profile Joined October 2003
United States867 Posts
November 27 2003 12:31 GMT
#55
The last piece of literature I've read on my own is Harry Potter, Order of the Pheonix. It was kind of dissapointing though. Most of the book could have been cut out with no real change in the story.
Good God I look like an African tree.
iGgs
Profile Joined April 2003
Russian Federation772 Posts
November 27 2003 12:52 GMT
#56
On November 27 2003 19:27 VaNille wrote:
Grapes of Wrath was totally unreadable. I struggled until the page 100 or so when I said to hell with it and gave it up.

It wasn't that it wasn't a great novel, in fact I think it captured the atmosphere of the era very very well. I, however, disliked having to read the dialects and try to decipher what the hell the characters are saying. Steinbeck was amazing in how realistic he portrayed the situations and characters but the dialogue put me to sleep.

I like his other book though: East of Eden. That's a beautiful book. I remember when I read the first 10 pages I could not put it down. I was reading it during work and I must have finished half the book in the first place alone.

The first great book I remember reading was Catcher in the Rye. That book made me cry. Salinger embodied the angst, cynicism of all teans in Holden so well that the book has rightfully earned it's place in the annals of great literature.

I read some Rohinton Mistry, Family Matters and A Fine Balance, several months ago. SOOOOOOOOOOOO GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD! Balance was 800 pages but I don't think it was long enough. It should have been longer. Same with Family Matters. Man I can't wait for his next novel to come out.



catcher in the rye is god
also has anyone tried to read the sound and the fury by faulkner? wtfwtfasasdf that book is difficult to read
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7454 Posts
November 27 2003 12:55 GMT
#57
no but I fully intend to
VaNille
Profile Joined November 2002
Canada204 Posts
November 27 2003 12:57 GMT
#58
You want difficult?

Pick up Focault's Pendulum.

I swear to go, I was in self-denial the whole time reading it. I kept telling myself "Yeah, I understand this. I'm smart! I know exactly what he's talking about".

I gave up after the second chapter.
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AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7454 Posts
November 27 2003 13:07 GMT
#59
heh!
tiffany
Profile Joined November 2003
3664 Posts
November 27 2003 13:27 GMT
#60
ulysses is one of the most difficult reads, and is considered the best piece of literature of this century.

i also enjoy murakami's postmodernism and vonnegut is awesome.
SoLsiTO
Profile Joined April 2003
United States573 Posts
November 27 2003 13:39 GMT
#61
Stienbeck is by far one of my favorite authors. Some of my favorite books include: 100 Years of Solitude, Kiss of The Spider Woman, The Alchemist, The Life of Pi, Beloved, Grapes of Wrath, East of Eden, Tortilla Flat, and others I cannot recall off the top of my head...
They fill the children full of hate to fight an old man's war and die upon the road to peace
VaNille
Profile Joined November 2002
Canada204 Posts
November 27 2003 13:59 GMT
#62
On November 27 2003 22:27 tiffany wrote:
ulysses is one of the most difficult reads, and is considered the best piece of literature of this century.

i also enjoy murakami's postmodernism and vonnegut is awesome.


Yeah well that is subjective. I think I have an idea what you got this from, but much like the Academy of Motion Pictures, there is so much bias when the kinds of books are chosen for the 100 best novels of all time. I remember seeing the list and there were some great books that should have been on there but wasn't. Also, some should have ranked higher than others but were for some reason reversed.

Anyway, I haven't read any of Joyce's works but I might pick up Ulysses some day.

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eSu.Macedon
Profile Joined September 2002
Macedonia60 Posts
November 27 2003 14:25 GMT
#63
Guys can someone of you give me address of some web site that provides good critics about literature works
Nobody can stop me now
IDWIJNI-
Profile Joined February 2003
Mexico332 Posts
November 27 2003 14:46 GMT
#64
Milan Kundera rocks!
threshy
Profile Joined March 2003
Qatar550 Posts
November 27 2003 14:54 GMT
#65
the sound and the fury is really good.

i don't know if you got through the first quarter or not, but if you didn't, keep at it because the rest of the book isn't written from the perspective of a retard.

ulysses was honestly kind of boring and masturbatory in my opinion. more like "hey look at me I'm a genius with words" than anything else, really. then again i thought portrait of an artist as a young man was really wack too, so maybe it's just that I don't like his style. and finnegan's wake .. jeez. if you guys think 1984 is a book people use to try to look smart, you haven't seen anything yet. some people read books only to look smart--james joyce kicked it up a notch and wrote one. I guess it worked, though.

I think it's odd that with so many people mentioning sci-fi/fantasy stuff that nobody's mentioned William Gibson. In my humblest of opinions he's the only real artist writing in that genre (or was--I didn't much like his latest book, although parts were reflective of his former self). Also very good is Ray Bradbury, famous for Fahrenheit 451 but very consistently good and cool and fun to read.

pyogenes
Profile Joined May 2003
Brazil1401 Posts
November 27 2003 16:35 GMT
#66
ooh i liked the alchemist
tiffany
Profile Joined November 2003
3664 Posts
November 27 2003 16:38 GMT
#67
On November 27 2003 22:59 VaNille wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2003 22:27 tiffany wrote:
ulysses is one of the most difficult reads, and is considered the best piece of literature of this century.

i also enjoy murakami's postmodernism and vonnegut is awesome.


Yeah well that is subjective.



isn't all of this subjective =\
AutumnLight
Profile Joined July 2003
Ukraine2488 Posts
November 27 2003 16:53 GMT
#68
currently on the English Patient by Michael Ondaatje(sp), btw if you liked 1984 you should read Waiting for the Barbarians by J.M Coetzee,a short novel with alot of symbolism and imagery describing colonialism and torture.
Pray for War.
AutumnLight
Profile Joined July 2003
Ukraine2488 Posts
November 27 2003 16:56 GMT
#69
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS TRUTH
WAR IS PEACE
I have read 1984 like 3 years ago, not sure if these quotes are exact!
P.S: BIG BROTHER IS ALWAYS WATCHING
Pray for War.
x[ReaPeR]x
Profile Joined February 2003
United States3447 Posts
November 27 2003 17:55 GMT
#70
On November 28 2003 01:56 ScRooLooSe wrote:
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS TRUTH
WAR IS PEACE
I have read 1984 like 3 years ago, not sure if these quotes are exact!
P.S: BIG BROTHER IS ALWAYS WATCHING


Shouldn't the first one be SLAVERY IS FREEDOM?

But other than that, yeah.
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SoL.Origin
Profile Joined September 2003
Argentina2400 Posts
November 27 2003 18:47 GMT
#71
anyone got any clue of what happens in "God emperor of Dune"?
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Manifesto7
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Osaka27139 Posts
November 27 2003 19:08 GMT
#72
About Enders Game, you cant really classify the later books with Enders Game. Enders Game is actually a novella (a short novel) that was expanded into its present form. Because it was a novella, its audience is not the same as the audience for Speaker for the Dead and Xenocide. After the trilogy was done, Card went on to write more books in the series that were more like Enders Game, plot driven, rather than Speaker for the Dead and Xenocide, which were more philisophically driven.

I always recommend the Ender series to friends, but the books vary in their message, and their level of sophistication.
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chobopeon
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States7342 Posts
November 27 2003 19:11 GMT
#73
enders game :o

only book i read twice and liked twice.
:O
AutumnLight
Profile Joined July 2003
Ukraine2488 Posts
November 27 2003 21:49 GMT
#74
nop x[ReaPeR]x I've checked and it's positive...
"War is Peace"
"Freedom is Slavery"
"Ignorance is Strength"
Pray for War.
Shockey
Profile Joined January 2003
United States2615 Posts
November 27 2003 21:51 GMT
#75
The Harry Potters are quite good.
ex_zER0
Profile Joined July 2003
United States200 Posts
November 27 2003 22:55 GMT
#76
On November 27 2003 10:18 LumberJack wrote:
Ishmail
The Giver
Illusions: Tales of a Reluctant Messiah
Demain
Siddhartha


i read the giver in like 7th grade
Senff
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States360 Posts
Last Edited: 2003-11-27 23:49:20
November 27 2003 23:42 GMT
#77
On November 27 2003 20:08 Manifesto7 wrote:
- Wheel of Time, although it has gone on so long it is now virtually unreadable
- George R R Martins series ( I cant remember the title, Song of Ice and Fire I think) really took over from Jordan for me

-All Quiet on the Western Front + The Road Back by Erich Maria Remarque should be mandatory reading for all student I think. It illustrates a kind of history that is usually overlooked in favour of statistics and battle names in the history of the first world war.




These are all excellent books. I suggest to everyone all of Orson Scott Cards books, except for the Homecoming saga. It's good in the beginning, but gets very bad near the end. The Alvin Maker series may be better than even the Ender's Game series, believe it or not. George R. R. Martin is probably my favorite author. It's Song of Fire and Ice, the series you're referring to. Easily some of the best fantasy books ever written. If you like All Quiet on the Western Front, and novels like that, I highly suggest a book called Alas, Babylon, by Pat Frank. I'm reading the Illuminatus trilogy right now, and while they're very trippy, they're pretty funny at moments. And dude, you're right about Robert Jordan. What the hell happened to that series? It went down the crapper as soon as he started writing more about the women, no offense to anyone present. The women are just so boring and ridiculously overwritten that it makes me sick. As for writing that isn't so fantasy-oriented, I like a lot of Hemmingway's novels. Old Man and the Sea was good, because it was so short and to the point. The Sun Also Rises would have been great if I hadn't had to read it for school (as such I didn't really read it at all). I actually didn't like the Grapes of Wrath, 1984, nor the Great Gatsby, and not so much because I had to read them for school. They just didn't appeal to me, really.

Edit: I forgot to mention another book that struck me as incredibly good. It's called Hard-Boiled Wonderland and the End of the World, by Haruki Murakami. Someone suggested him, and he indeed has an incredible insight into the human mind. It's very interesting.
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AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7454 Posts
November 27 2003 23:58 GMT
#78
On November 28 2003 08:42 Senff wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2003 20:08 Manifesto7 wrote:
- Wheel of Time, although it has gone on so long it is now virtually unreadable
- George R R Martins series ( I cant remember the title, Song of Ice and Fire I think) really took over from Jordan for me

-All Quiet on the Western Front + The Road Back by Erich Maria Remarque should be mandatory reading for all student I think. It illustrates a kind of history that is usually overlooked in favour of statistics and battle names in the history of the first world war.




These are all excellent books. I suggest to everyone all of Orson Scott Cards books, except for the Homecoming saga. It's good in the beginning, but gets very bad near the end. The Alvin Maker series may be better than even the Ender's Game series, believe it or not. George R. R. Martin is probably my favorite author. It's Song of Fire and Ice, the series you're referring to. Easily some of the best fantasy books ever written. If you like All Quiet on the Western Front, and novels like that, I highly suggest a book called Alas, Babylon, by Pat Frank. I'm reading the Illuminatus trilogy right now, and while they're very trippy, they're pretty funny at moments. And dude, you're right about Robert Jordan. What the hell happened to that series? It went down the crapper as soon as he started writing more about the women, no offense to anyone present. The women are just so boring and ridiculously overwritten that it makes me sick. As for writing that isn't so fantasy-oriented, I like a lot of Hemmingway's novels. Old Man and the Sea was good, because it was so short and to the point. The Sun Also Rises would have been great if I hadn't had to read it for school (as such I didn't really read it at all). I actually didn't like the Grapes of Wrath, 1984, nor the Great Gatsby, and not so much because I had to read them for school. They just didn't appeal to me, really.

Edit: I forgot to mention another book that struck me as incredibly good. It's called Hard-Boiled Wonderland and the End of the World, by Haruki Murakami. Someone suggested him, and he indeed has an incredible insight into the human mind. It's very interesting.


without a doubt the best post I have read in quite awhile

Thank you!
x[ReaPeR]x
Profile Joined February 2003
United States3447 Posts
November 28 2003 00:22 GMT
#79
On November 28 2003 06:49 ScRooLooSe wrote:
nop x[ReaPeR]x I've checked and it's positive...
"War is Peace"
"Freedom is Slavery"
"Ignorance is Strength"


Damn, ah well.
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poilord
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Germany3252 Posts
February 19 2008 18:39 GMT
#80
Look what I dug up from the depths of the archives. I was almost about to create a topic myself, but I found this thread via search and decided to bump it, because I've got the feeling that there are many people on this forums who read a lot and are generally well educated :p So why not discuss a little literature.
Over the last two weeks I've read some theatre plays (Before Breakfast and The Emperor Jones by Eugene O'Neill; A Streetcar Named Desire and Cat on a Hot Tin Roof by Tennessee Williams) in order to prepare for a course I'm going to take next semester.

What kind of literature have you enjoyed and would recommend reading? :p
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
February 19 2008 18:45 GMT
#81
My tastes are a bit wierd, as I actually like the stuff they make you read in school.

Also a fan of Murakami and Vonnugut as earlier mentioned in the thread.
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poilord
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Germany3252 Posts
February 19 2008 19:18 GMT
#82
Hm I've read some books by Murakami and I thought they were okay, but I think he's being hyped a little too much. Some time ago I read a book by another Japanese author called Kenzaburo Oe which is called the Pride of the Dead or something similar. It's about a student who works at a university mortuary and during this work he starts to philosophize about life and death, etc. was a really great read.
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
February 19 2008 19:20 GMT
#83
Grapes of Wrath was so painful, ending was so lame. Kafka on the Shore by Murakami was terrific
JohnnyCash
Profile Joined February 2006
France244 Posts
February 19 2008 19:26 GMT
#84
One Hundred Years of Solitude. Splendid!
Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
February 19 2008 19:33 GMT
#85
I prefer Love in the Time of Cholera over 100 Years, myself. I love that book - it's so romantic but so twisted at the same time.

Monte`Cristo is overmentioned but it's still one of my all-time favorites. Bloody awesome story + intriguing characters = immense rereading potential.

I really liked Kierkegaard's 'The Sickness Unto Death'; it was quite inspirational and thought-provoking [if you like that whole philosophy sort of thing]

Actually any Kierkegaard, any Garcia Marquez, any Dumas.. haha`

Any Tolkien too. I like Tolkien.
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LeafHouse
Profile Joined June 2007
United States185 Posts
February 19 2008 19:45 GMT
#86
My favorite right now is My Name is Asher Lev by Potok. All Quiet On the Western Front has been one of my favorites for a long time. Soo good.

Just finished some short stories by Gogol and wanted to read some Dostoievsky... would you guys recommend the Brothers Karamozov or Crime and Punishment first? I just seriously don't know.
HamerD
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom1922 Posts
February 19 2008 19:50 GMT
#87
I really liked the thomas harris books. His writing style is so direct and to the point.

I like David Gemmel and R A Salvatore too.

Also I think Of Mice and Men is genius by Steinbeck! And in terms of technical english wizardry and plot coordination, I think Shakespeare is probably the best.

Secretly loved the Harry Potter series from cover to cover too! A good example of plot > dialogue and writing aptitude.
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JensOfSweden
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Cameroon1767 Posts
February 19 2008 20:14 GMT
#88
Wheel of time-series anyone?

I used to read alot more than I do now a couple years back but my favourites are Stephen King, Neil Gaiman and Dean Koontz, in that order
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poilord
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Germany3252 Posts
February 19 2008 21:07 GMT
#89
On February 20 2008 04:45 LeafHouse wrote:
My favorite right now is My Name is Asher Lev by Potok. All Quiet On the Western Front has been one of my favorites for a long time. Soo good.

Just finished some short stories by Gogol and wanted to read some Dostoievsky... would you guys recommend the Brothers Karamozov or Crime and Punishment first? I just seriously don't know.



I read the part of Brothers Karamasow by Dostoievsy where an inquisitor is talking to Christ; But now that I think of it I really don't remember how this played out, I think I'll have to read it again.
SoleSteeler
Profile Joined April 2003
Canada5414 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-19 21:23:52
February 19 2008 21:23 GMT
#90
I've read a lot of books in the past 4 years (English major), the best one I've read so far is Sons and Lovers by D.H. Lawrence

Good Morning, Midnight by Jean Rhys is very powerful too...

edit: And I'm talking books in general, not just "literature", it really is a fucking good book.
drug_vict1m
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
844 Posts
February 19 2008 21:57 GMT
#91
walden - thoreau
siddharta - hesse
fabula rasa - stachura
ulisses - joyce

i really enjoyed those
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EAGER-beaver
Profile Joined March 2004
Canada2799 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-19 22:15:47
February 19 2008 22:13 GMT
#92
Read odyssey by jack mcDevitt. He's being praised to high heaven as the next great sci fi writer but I thought odyssey was awfully crappy. The book was like reading a movie script, purely unrealistic conversations between people with very, very, very little narration. The story itself was boring, climax really stunk and it kept my imagination comatose. However mcDevitt is still a great writer, I won't write him off entirely based on only 1 of his books.

I read the starbucks series by Bernard Cornwell over the christmas holidays. I'm a huge fan of Cornwells historical fiction and starbuck doesn't disapoint. It's about the civil war, the story follows a university dropout studying to be a minister who flees south and joins the rebel army. Great story and characters, even enjoyed this series more than sharpe (who's son makes a cameo appearance). So far there's only 4 books out in the series and I'm eagerly waiting for the next.
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Profile Blog Joined November 2006
396 Posts
February 20 2008 00:15 GMT
#93
On February 20 2008 04:45 LeafHouse wrote:
My favorite right now is My Name is Asher Lev by Potok. All Quiet On the Western Front has been one of my favorites for a long time. Soo good.

Just finished some short stories by Gogol and wanted to read some Dostoievsky... would you guys recommend the Brothers Karamozov or Crime and Punishment first? I just seriously don't know.

start with crime and punishment and see how you do with that. the brothers karamzov is excellent, though not dostoevsky's most accessible work.
bp1696
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States288 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-20 00:53:36
February 20 2008 00:50 GMT
#94
On November 27 2003 15:04 KorvspaD wrote:
Snow Crash


Snow Crash is excellent, but my favorite books are:

Don Quixote - I don't care that it's from like the fucking 1600s, this book is seriously funny. The movie/tv/wishbone adaptations don't do justice to it. Go dl and read this, it's hilarious.

Good Omens - Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman. How could you go wrong? Answer: you don't. No christian will ever fear the apocalypse after reading this book.

A Confederacy of Dunces - It's a shame John Kennedy Toole committed suicide. An even bigger shame that the publishing houses rejected this hilarious masterpiece. Which goes to show that just because they work in publishing doesnt mean that they can predict what's successful/great literature or not.

Anyone else read these/agree/think I'm an idiot?

On February 20 2008 04:45 LeafHouse wrote:
My favorite right now is My Name is Asher Lev by Potok. All Quiet On the Western Front has been one of my favorites for a long time. Soo good.

Just finished some short stories by Gogol and wanted to read some Dostoievsky... would you guys recommend the Brothers Karamozov or Crime and Punishment first? I just seriously don't know.


Brothers Karamazov is by far the better work, in my opinion. It's like comparing Tolstoy's War and Peace to his Anna Karenina. Both are good works, but Bros Kar and W/P are just the apogees of each author.
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Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
February 20 2008 02:14 GMT
#95
Good Omens was realllly hilarious

Don Quixote I've never finished =/

I liked C+P more than Karamazov (Yeah I know I'm in the minority but w/e)

I mean my favorite Dostoevsky is actually The Idiot
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LaLuSh
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden2358 Posts
February 20 2008 07:27 GMT
#96
The Brothers Karamazov - Dostoevsky.

I doubt I will ever come across anything better than this book. Simply amazing. Though it takes about 200 pages to get fully immersed into the story. If you ever read it, go in with the mind set of finishing it!

I'm actually re-reading it right now, it has been 4 years. It's still just as good.

LaLuSh
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden2358 Posts
February 20 2008 07:34 GMT
#97
On February 20 2008 09:50 bp1696 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2003 15:04 KorvspaD wrote:
Snow Crash


Snow Crash is excellent, but my favorite books are:

Don Quixote - I don't care that it's from like the fucking 1600s, this book is seriously funny. The movie/tv/wishbone adaptations don't do justice to it. Go dl and read this, it's hilarious.

Good Omens - Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman. How could you go wrong? Answer: you don't. No christian will ever fear the apocalypse after reading this book.

A Confederacy of Dunces - It's a shame John Kennedy Toole committed suicide. An even bigger shame that the publishing houses rejected this hilarious masterpiece. Which goes to show that just because they work in publishing doesnt mean that they can predict what's successful/great literature or not.

Anyone else read these/agree/think I'm an idiot?

Show nested quote +
On February 20 2008 04:45 LeafHouse wrote:
My favorite right now is My Name is Asher Lev by Potok. All Quiet On the Western Front has been one of my favorites for a long time. Soo good.

Just finished some short stories by Gogol and wanted to read some Dostoievsky... would you guys recommend the Brothers Karamozov or Crime and Punishment first? I just seriously don't know.


Brothers Karamazov is by far the better work, in my opinion. It's like comparing Tolstoy's War and Peace to his Anna Karenina. Both are good works, but Bros Kar and W/P are just the apogees of each author.


Judging by your taste, I think you would enjoy Hunter S. Thompson immensely.

Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas: A Savage Journey to the Heart of the American Dream
, of course being the most popular of his works.

Everything he's written is hilarious.
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36374 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-20 07:45:23
February 20 2008 07:45 GMT
#98
Excerpt from early chapter of "Game of Thrones" by George R.R. Martin

+ Show Spoiler +
Bran

The morning had dawned clear and cold, with a crispness that hinted at the end of summer. They set forth at daybreak to see a man beheaded, twenty in all, and Bran rode among them, nervous with excitement. This was the first time he had been deemed old enough to go with his lord father and his brothers to see the king's justice done. It was the ninth year of summer, and the seventh of Bran's life.

The man had been taken outside a small holdfast in the hills. Robb thought he was a wildling, his sword sworn to Mance Rayder, the King-beyond-the-Wall. It made Bran's skin prickle to think of it. He remembered the hearth tales Old Nan told them. The wildlings were cruel men, she said, slavers and slayers and thieves. They consorted with giants and ghouls, stole girl children in the dead of night, and drank blood from polished horns. And their women lay with the Others in the Long Night to sire terrible half-human children.

But the man they found bound hand and foot to the holdfast wall awaiting the king's justice was old and scrawny, not much taller than Robb. He had lost both ears and a finger to frostbite, and he dressed all in black, the same as a brother of the Night's Watch, except that his furs were ragged and greasy.

The breath of man and horse mingled, steaming, in the cold morning air as his lord father had the man cut down from the wall and dragged before them. Robb and Jon sat tall and still on their horses, with Bran between them on his pony, trying to seem older than seven, trying to pretend that he'd seen all this before. A faint wind blew through the holdfast gate. Over their heads flapped the banner of the Starks of Winterfell: a grey direwolf racing across an ice-white field.

Bran's father sat solemnly on his horse, long brown hair stirring in the wind. His closely trimmed beard was shot with white, making him look older than his thirty-five years. He had a grim cast to his grey eyes this day, and he seemed not at all the man who would sit before the fire in the evening and talk softly of the age of heroes and the children of the forest. He had taken off Father's face, Bran thought, and donned the face of Lord Stark of Winterfell.

There were questions asked and answers given there in the chill of morning, but afterward Bran could not recall much of what had been said. Finally his lord father gave a command, and two of his guardsmen dragged the ragged man to the ironwood stump in the center of the square. They forced his head down onto the hard black wood. Lord Eddard Stark dismounted and his ward Theon Greyjoy brought forth the sword. "Ice," that sword was called. It was as wide across as a man's hand, and taller even than Robb. The blade was Valyrian steel, spell-forged and dark as smoke. Nothing held an edge like Valyrian steel.

His father peeled off his gloves and handed them to Jory Cassel, the captain of his household guard. He took hold of Ice with both hands and said, "In the name of Robert of the House Baratheon, the First of his Name, King of the Andals and the Rhoynar and the First Men, Lord of the Seven Kingdoms and Protector of the Realm, by the word of Eddard of the House Stark, Lord of Winterfell and Warden of the North, I do sentence you to die." He lifted the great sword high above his head.

Bran's bastard brother Jon Snow moved closer. "Keep the pony well in hand," he whispered. "And don't look away. Father will know if you do."

Bran kept his pony well in hand, and did not look away.
His father took off the man's head with a single sure stroke. Blood sprayed out across the snow, as red as summerwine. One of the horses reared and had to be restrained to keep from bolting. Bran could not take his eyes off the blood. The snows around the stump drank it eagerly, reddening as he watched.

The head bounced off a thick root and rolled. It came up near Greyjoy's feet. Theon was a lean, dark youth of nineteen who found everything amusing. He laughed, put his boot on the head,and kicked it away.

"Ass," Jon muttered, low enough so Greyjoy did not hear. He put a hand on Bran's shoulder, and Bran looked over at his bastard brother.

"You did well," Jon told him solemnly. Jon was fourteen, an old hand at justice.

It seemed colder on the long ride back to Winterfell, though the wind had died by then and the sun was higher in the sky. Bran rode with his brothers, well ahead of the main party, his pony struggling hard to keep up with their horses.

"The deserter died bravely," Robb said. He was big and broad and growing every day, with his mother's coloring, the fair skin, red-brown hair, and blue eyes of the Tullys of Riverrun. "He had courage, at the least."

"No," Jon Snow said quietly. "It was not courage. This one was dead of fear. You could see it in his eyes, Stark." Jon's eyes were a grey so dark they seemed almost black, but there was little they did not see. He was of an age with Robb, but they did not look alike. Jon was slender where Robb was muscular, dark where Robb was fair, graceful and quick where his half brother was strong and fast.

Robb was not impressed. "The Others take his eyes," he swore. "He died well. Race you to the bridge?"

"Done," Jon said, kicking his horse forward. Robb cursed and followed, and they galloped off down the trail, Robb laughing and hooting, Jon silent and intent. The hooves of their horses kicked up showers of snow as they went.

Bran did not try to follow. His pony could not keep up. He had seen the ragged man's eyes, and he was thinking of them now. After a while, the sound of Robb's laughter receded, and the woods grew silent again.

That was when Jon reappeared on the crest of the hill before them. He waved and shouted down at them. "Father, Bran, come quickly, see what Robb has found!" Then he was gone again.

Jory rode up beside them. "Trouble, my lord?"

"Beyond a doubt," his lord father said. "Come, let us see what mischief my sons have rooted out now." He sent his horse into a trot. Jory and Bran and the rest came after.

They found Robb on the riverbank north of the bridge, with Jon still mounted beside him. The late summer snows had been heavy this moonturn. Robb stood knee-deep in white, his hood pulled back so the sun shone in his hair. He was cradling something in his arm, while the boys talked in hushed, excited voices.

The riders picked their way carefully through the drifts, groping for solid footing on the hidden, uneven ground. Jory Cassel and Theon Greyjoy were the first to reach the boys. Greyjoy was laughing and joking as he rode. Bran heard the breath go out of him. "Gods!" he exclaimed, struggling to keep control of his horse as he reached for his sword.

Jory's sword was already out. "Robb, get away from it!" he called as his horse reared under him.

Robb grinned and looked up from the bundle in his arms. "She can't hurt you," he said. "She's dead, Jory."

Bran was afire with curiosity by then. He would have spurred the pony faster, but his father made them dismount beside the bridge and approach on foot. Bran jumped off and ran.

By then Jon, Jory, and Theon Greyjoy had all dismounted as well. "What in the seven hells is it?" Greyjoy was saying.

"A wolf," Robb told him.

"A freak," Greyjoy said. "Look at the size of it."

Bran's heart was thumping in his chest as he pushed through a waist-high drift to his brothers' side.

Half-buried in blood stained snow, a huge dark shape slumped in death. Ice had formed in its shaggy grey fur, and the faint smell of corruption clung to it like a woman's perfume. Bran glimpsed blind eyes crawling with maggots, a wide mouth full of yellowed teeth. But it was the size of it that made him gasp. It was bigger than his pony, twice the size of the largest hound in his father's kennel.

"It's no freak," Jon said calmly. "That's a direwolf. They grow larger than the other kind."

Theon Greyjoy said, "There's not been a direwolf sighted south of the Wall in two hundred years."

"I see one now," Jon replied.

Bran tore his eyes away from the monster. That was when he noticed the bundle in Robb's arms. He gave a cry of delight and moved closer. The pup was a tiny ball of grey-black fur, its eyes still closed. It nuzzled blindly against Robb's chest as he cradled it, searching for milk among his leathers, making a sad little whimpery sound. Bran reached out hesitantly. "Go on,"Robb told him. "You can touch him."

Bran gave the pup a quick nervous stroke, then turned as Jon said, "Here you go." His half brother put a second pup into his arms. "There are five of them." Bran sat down in the snow and hugged the wolf pup to his face. Its fur was soft and warm against his cheek.

"Direwolves loose in the realm, after so many years," muttered Hullen, the master of horse. "I like it not."

"It is a sign," Jory said.

Father frowned. "This is only a dead animal, Jory," he said. Yet he seemed troubled. Snow crunched under his boots as he moved around the body. "Do we know what killed her?"

"There's something in the throat," Robb told him, proud to have found the answer before his father even asked. "There, just under the jaw."
His father knelt and groped under the beast's head with his hand. He gave a yank and held it up for all to see. A foot of shattered antler, tines snapped off, all wet with blood.

A sudden silence descended over the party. The men looked at the antler uneasily, and no one dared to speak. Even Bran could sense their fear, though he did not understand.

His father tossed the antler to the side and cleansed his hands in the snow. "I'm surprised she lived long enough to whelp," he said. His voice broke the spell.

"Maybe she didn't," Jory said. "I've heard tales . . . maybe the bitch was already dead when the pups came."

"Born with the dead," another man put in. "Worse luck."

"No matter," said Hullen. "They be dead soon enough too."

Bran gave a wordless cry of dismay.

"The sooner the better," Theon Greyjoy agreed. He drew his sword.

"Give the beast here, Bran."

The little thing squirmed against him, as if it heard and understood.

"No!" Bran cried out fiercely. "It's mine."

"It be a mercy to kill them," Hullen said.

Bran looked to his lord father for rescue, but got only a frown, a furrowed brow. "Hullen speaks truly, son. Better a swift death than a hard one from cold and starvation."

"No!" He could feel tears welling in his eyes, and he looked away. He did not want to cry in front of his father.

"Lord Stark," Jon said. It was strange to hear him call Father that, so formal. Bran looked at him with desperate hope. "There are five pups," he told Father. "Three male, two female."

"What of it, Jon?"

"You have five true born children," Jon said. "Three sons, two daughters. The direwolf is the sigil of your House. Your children were meant to have these pups, my lord."

Bran saw his father's face change, saw the other men exchange glances. He loved Jon with all his heart at that moment. Even at seven, Bran understood what his brother had done. The count had come right only because Jon had omitted himself. He had included the girls, included even Rickon, the baby, but not the bastard who bore the surname Snow, the name that custom decreed be given to all those in the north unlucky enough to be born with no name of their own.

Their father understood as well. "You want no pup for yourself, Jon?" he asked softly.

"The direwolf graces the banners of House Stark," Jon pointed out. "I am no Stark, Father."

Their lord father regarded Jon thoughtfully. Robb rushed into the silence he left. "I will nurse him myself, Father," he promised. "I will soak a towel with warm milk, and give him suck from that."

"Me too!" Bran echoed.

The lord weighed his sons long and carefully with his eyes. "Easy to say, and harder to do. I will not have you wasting the servants' time with this. If you want these pups, you will feed them yourselves. Is that understood?"

Bran nodded eagerly. The pup squirmed in his grasp, lickedat his face with a warm tongue.

It was not until they were mounted and on their way that Bran allowed himself to taste the sweet air of victory. By then, his pup was snuggled inside his leathers, warm against him, safe for the long ride home. Bran was wondering what to name him.

Halfway across the bridge, Jon pulled up suddenly.

"What is it, Jon?" their lord father asked.

"Can't you hear it?"

Bran could hear the wind in the trees, the clatter of their hooves on the ironwood planks, the whimpering of his hungry pup, but Jon was listening to something else.

"There," Jon said. He swung his horse around and galloped back across the bridge. They watched him dismount where the direwolf lay dead in the snow, watched him kneel. A moment later he was riding back to them, smiling.

"He must have crawled away from the others," Jon said.

"Or been driven away," their father said, looking at the sixth pup. His fur was white, where the rest of the litter was grey. His eyes were as red as the blood of the ragged man who had died that morning. Bran thought it curious that this pup alone would have opened his eyes while the others were still blind.

"An albino," Theon Greyjoy said with wry amusement. "This one will die even faster than the others."

Jon Snow gave his father's ward a long, chilling look. "I think not, Greyjoy," he said. "This one belongs to me."
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February 20 2008 08:09 GMT
#99
I like excession...

hmmm so many good books

neuromancer is famous

helm by steven gould is hard to find and a bit simplistic, but I really like it. Neat blend of past and present.

I tend to like books that involve leadership or military tactics...probably a big reason I liked ender's game so much
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