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Phil is correct, like it or not, fucked up horrible shit happens all the time. But that doesn't take away the fact that torturing people is wrong. Completely wrong. The reason there's laws against torture is because they know that there will be situations where it seems like a good idea. I can't say that I wouldn't like to have those kids beaten to a bloody pulp. But it's still wrong. And laws are there to remind us of that when we let emotions get a little too involved.
Let me propose a little thought experiment. Imagine that the video is of Ukranian policemen or something beating on one of those kids. They're meting out the punishment that is supposedly deserved. Does that make the video any less horrifying? Does it make your stomach turn any less? Do you now get a sense of satisfaction from watching the man get stabbed with a screwdriver? For your sake, I hope not.
No matter what the context, no matter what the reason, the actions portrayed there are horrific. Plain and simple. There is no justification, there is no reason for it. But repeating those actions doesn't somehow cancel out the damage that was done originally. Torturing those kids isn't going to give 21 families their loved ones back. It's not going to remove the horror that I'm sure we all felt watching that video. And it's certainly not going to somehow 'teach them a lesson.'
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This just gets better and better
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Ciminals torturing other people ----> wrong
But people torturing criminals -------> good ?
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On December 24 2008 01:05 Boblion wrote:
Ciminals torturing other people ----> wrong
But people torturing criminals -------> good ?
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The 21st century is overrated, let's bring back the middleages.
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Torturing them would definitely be wrong. They should just be executed and have it finished and let the families begin healing as soon as possible.
And for goodness sakes, don't make the families (or anyone for that matter) have to give more money to these 3 men by way of taxes so they can eat their 3 square meals a day, etc. Just execute them.
If its done fast, then death row is NOT more expensive than life in prison, so don't even start...
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Oh youre totally right, except that the USA hasnt been carrying executions like that since like, the wild wild west?
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lmao why did you have to write wild twice
Wild Wild West, Jim West, desperado, rough rider
No you don't want nada
None of this, six gun in this, brotha runnin this,
Buffalo soldier, look it's like I told ya
Any damsel that's in distress
Be out of that dress when she meet Jim West
Rough neck so go check the law and abide
Watch your step with flex and get a hold in your side
Swallow your pride, don't let your lip react,
You don't wanna see my hand where my hip be at,
With all of this, from the start of this,
Runnin the game, James West tamin the west so remember the name
Now who ya gonna call?
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On December 23 2008 23:04 IdrA wrote:
astrology is more respectable than religion
predictable weather patterns that vary by season and time of year affect the health of the mother, affecting the development of the child thus allowing general predictions of their behavior based on their 'sign'.
big omnipotent omniscient omnipresent benevolent man in the sky who loves you dearly but has created you evil and will send you to suffer for all eternity if you dont fix yourself. also extremely concerned about what you do with your naughty parts.
And someone generalizes all religions into catholic esque to make theyr point.
For gods sake, stop treating religion like everyone with a bit of faith worships Zeus.
ps: on topic, my honest opinion is that, there is nothing that will bring justice to this, not torturing, not killing, not jailing them.
But id rather just jail them and have psicological evaluation and try to understand how did this happen
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I miss the idealistic days of my youth.
This shit doesn't help =[
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Really, they should be put to death. It's far too much to say executed or hanged something outrageous like that. They should just "put them to sleep".
I also read somewhere else that the family's are completely denying that it's their kids in those videos. I think that should be a new point of discussion. You would defend your child even after finding out he is beyond sadistic?
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On December 24 2008 01:56 D10 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2008 23:04 IdrA wrote:
astrology is more respectable than religion
predictable weather patterns that vary by season and time of year affect the health of the mother, affecting the development of the child thus allowing general predictions of their behavior based on their 'sign'.
big omnipotent omniscient omnipresent benevolent man in the sky who loves you dearly but has created you evil and will send you to suffer for all eternity if you dont fix yourself. also extremely concerned about what you do with your naughty parts.
And someone generalizes all religions into catholic esque to make theyr point. For gods sake, stop treating religion like everyone with a bit of faith worships Zeus. ps: on topic, my honest opinion is that, there is nothing that will bring justice to this, not torturing, not killing, not jailing them. But id rather just jail them and have psicological evaluation and try to understand how did this happen
i just happen to be most familiar with the idiocies of the catholic church
being reborn as a cow is much more likely, i agree.
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On December 24 2008 02:38 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2008 01:56 D10 wrote:On December 23 2008 23:04 IdrA wrote:
astrology is more respectable than religion
predictable weather patterns that vary by season and time of year affect the health of the mother, affecting the development of the child thus allowing general predictions of their behavior based on their 'sign'.
big omnipotent omniscient omnipresent benevolent man in the sky who loves you dearly but has created you evil and will send you to suffer for all eternity if you dont fix yourself. also extremely concerned about what you do with your naughty parts.
And someone generalizes all religions into catholic esque to make theyr point. For gods sake, stop treating religion like everyone with a bit of faith worships Zeus. ps: on topic, my honest opinion is that, there is nothing that will bring justice to this, not torturing, not killing, not jailing them. But id rather just jail them and have psicological evaluation and try to understand how did this happen i just happen to be most familiar with the idiocies of the catholic church being reborn as a cow is much more likely, i agree.
Of course! When I get to heaven, im gonna ask to be reborn as an alien, tired of earth.
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I hear aliens have green skin and live in space. Would you really like that? You couldn't a have a Dog or a Cat or a bird or a mouse or a lizard or any type of animal cause they would die cause they need oxygen
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On December 24 2008 00:24 NotSupporting wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2008 22:01 frankbg wrote:
.... I can't believe you guys are debating whether or not these guys should be sentenced to death....... WOW. These people should be tortured every day of their fucking miserable lives, kept alive and fed by force simply for the purpose of torturing them some more.
I'm with HamerD on this one. Frits and all you bleeding heart fags need to watch the fucking video again. WATCH THE FULL THING. I'd be fucking glad if they were torn to pieces by the crowd. Were these motherfuckers in south america or an arab country, they wouldve been burned alive on the streets. Hell, I'd fucking do it myself with no remorse. Joy? No. Sense of duty? Yes.
Death penalty is too soft for those monsters. I can agree on this regarding from what I know in this case, these guys do not deserve death penalty or life in prison. But if you would do something like this to them where do you draw the line? A lot of mental disturbed people kills others in horrifying ways, should they also be tortured even though they are sick? In times of war tutoring is common, should those who did the act be punished the same way after the war is finished? I think you need to think about what you are saying.
Except those guys are not mentally ill, they're fucking freaks. Rich kids with an education who kill for pleasure, torture their victims, make jokes and laugh while they do and then let them agonize to death. Innocents, picked at random. The icing on the cake? THEY EVEN SHOWED UP TO THE VITICM FUNERALS WTF...
I'll say it here. I'm normally against the death penalty but what these kids did is worst than a crime, they are animals, nothing more than walking meat, worth less than dogs.
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On December 24 2008 03:49 frankbg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2008 00:24 NotSupporting wrote:On December 23 2008 22:01 frankbg wrote:
.... I can't believe you guys are debating whether or not these guys should be sentenced to death....... WOW. These people should be tortured every day of their fucking miserable lives, kept alive and fed by force simply for the purpose of torturing them some more.
I'm with HamerD on this one. Frits and all you bleeding heart fags need to watch the fucking video again. WATCH THE FULL THING. I'd be fucking glad if they were torn to pieces by the crowd. Were these motherfuckers in south america or an arab country, they wouldve been burned alive on the streets. Hell, I'd fucking do it myself with no remorse. Joy? No. Sense of duty? Yes.
Death penalty is too soft for those monsters. I can agree on this regarding from what I know in this case, these guys do not deserve death penalty or life in prison. But if you would do something like this to them where do you draw the line? A lot of mental disturbed people kills others in horrifying ways, should they also be tortured even though they are sick? In times of war tutoring is common, should those who did the act be punished the same way after the war is finished? I think you need to think about what you are saying. Except those guys are not mentally ill, they're fucking freaks. Rich kids with an education who kill for pleasure, torture their victims, make jokes and laugh while they do and then let them agonize to death. Innocents, picked at random. The icing on the cake? THEY EVEN SHOWED UP TO THE VITICM FUNERALS WTF... I'll say it here. I'm normally against the death penalty but what these kids did is worst than a crime, they are animals, nothing more than walking meat, worth less than dogs.
I didn't say they were mentally ill, I said that if they are to torture these guys, where will they draw the line, mentally ill people kill others and they can't really be punished in the same way.
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On December 24 2008 03:49 frankbg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2008 00:24 NotSupporting wrote:On December 23 2008 22:01 frankbg wrote:
.... I can't believe you guys are debating whether or not these guys should be sentenced to death....... WOW. These people should be tortured every day of their fucking miserable lives, kept alive and fed by force simply for the purpose of torturing them some more.
I'm with HamerD on this one. Frits and all you bleeding heart fags need to watch the fucking video again. WATCH THE FULL THING. I'd be fucking glad if they were torn to pieces by the crowd. Were these motherfuckers in south america or an arab country, they wouldve been burned alive on the streets. Hell, I'd fucking do it myself with no remorse. Joy? No. Sense of duty? Yes.
Death penalty is too soft for those monsters. I can agree on this regarding from what I know in this case, these guys do not deserve death penalty or life in prison. But if you would do something like this to them where do you draw the line? A lot of mental disturbed people kills others in horrifying ways, should they also be tortured even though they are sick? In times of war tutoring is common, should those who did the act be punished the same way after the war is finished? I think you need to think about what you are saying. Except those guys are not mentally ill, they're fucking freaks. Rich kids with an education who kill for pleasure, torture their victims, make jokes and laugh while they do and then let them agonize to death. Innocents, picked at random. The icing on the cake? THEY EVEN SHOWED UP TO THE VITICM FUNERALS WTF... I'll say it here. I'm normally against the death penalty but what these kids did is worst than a crime, they are animals, nothing more than walking meat, worth less than dogs.
They're still humans. It's just humans aren't as nice as you thought they were.
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On December 24 2008 00:40 Frits wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2008 22:01 frankbg wrote:
.... I can't believe you guys are debating whether or not these guys should be sentenced to death....... WOW. These people should be tortured every day of their fucking miserable lives, kept alive and fed by force simply for the purpose of torturing them some more.
I'm with HamerD on this one. Frits and all you bleeding heart fags need to watch the fucking video again. WATCH THE FULL THING. I'd be fucking glad if they were torn to pieces by the crowd. Were these motherfuckers in south america or an arab country, they wouldve been burned alive on the streets. Hell, I'd fucking do it myself with no remorse. Joy? No. Sense of duty? Yes.
Death penalty is too soft for those monsters. lol, internet cliche #4323243; the internet warrior. Have you ever even fought someone? Shut the hell up lmao, no you wouldnt kill them. And if you read more closely I am advocating for a justice system that isn't flawed, bleeding heart my ass, you guys are basing your opinion on emotion, not me. I care if the culprits are put to death because I try to create a better society, I try to extend my view beyond this case. What is your argument anyway, WATCH THE FULL THING AGAIN hurrrr, yeah Im totally convinced now man!
Have you ever even fought someone? Yes. Many times =/ Nice try. I could go through my teenage years in detail but you're definatly not worth the extra lines.
Shut the hell up lmao, no you wouldnt kill them. Internet cliche #310582: The kid who knows how you act/would act in real life even though he's never met you.
This is by far the worst crime I've ever seen. Hell, Hitler killed tons of people, except he didn't film himself doing it and cracking jokes at jews, enjoying stabbing the eye of a live man in with a screw driver. What happened to jews was torture as well, but systemic torture, what these guys are is simple. Pure fucking monsters; on a personnal level. They are not human. I'm honest here this is THE WORST crime I've ever seen, because of the pleasure they take killing the guy. Oh mind you, this isn't an ideological murder or a local mass murder (like a school shooting), this is them arbitrarily picking innocents who would not fight back and torture them for hours. They are not human, have no rights and deserved to go through what they made their victims go through.
This is like a one time thing. This is not worldwide eye-for-an-eye. Who's gonna try to get back at people for the torture & execution of these 3? This isn't even a case of changing laws and shit, just fucking do it. Hell, sending them to the mujahideen seems too soft of a punishment
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On December 24 2008 03:49 frankbg wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2008 00:24 NotSupporting wrote:On December 23 2008 22:01 frankbg wrote:
.... I can't believe you guys are debating whether or not these guys should be sentenced to death....... WOW. These people should be tortured every day of their fucking miserable lives, kept alive and fed by force simply for the purpose of torturing them some more.
I'm with HamerD on this one. Frits and all you bleeding heart fags need to watch the fucking video again. WATCH THE FULL THING. I'd be fucking glad if they were torn to pieces by the crowd. Were these motherfuckers in south america or an arab country, they wouldve been burned alive on the streets. Hell, I'd fucking do it myself with no remorse. Joy? No. Sense of duty? Yes.
Death penalty is too soft for those monsters. I can agree on this regarding from what I know in this case, these guys do not deserve death penalty or life in prison. But if you would do something like this to them where do you draw the line? A lot of mental disturbed people kills others in horrifying ways, should they also be tortured even though they are sick? In times of war tutoring is common, should those who did the act be punished the same way after the war is finished? I think you need to think about what you are saying. Except those guys are not mentally ill, they're fucking freaks. Rich kids with an education who kill for pleasure, torture their victims, make jokes and laugh while they do and then let them agonize to death. Innocents, picked at random. The icing on the cake? THEY EVEN SHOWED UP TO THE VITICM FUNERALS WTF... I'll say it here. I'm normally against the death penalty but what these kids did is worst than a crime, they are animals, nothing more than walking meat, worth less than dogs.
I'd say they're mentally ill, based on the things they did. Any normal person with any sense of morality would not do such a thing. Best thing to do to them would be punishment (prison sentence, probably for life) + a true rehabilitation (where those kids would be changed in terms of their views/morals/ethics/behavior), but of course, the rehabilitation part is impossible.
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On December 24 2008 04:00 frankbg wrote:
They are not human, have no rights and deserved to go through what they made their victims go through.
This is like a one time thing. This is not worldwide eye-for-an-eye. Who's gonna try to get back at people for the torture & execution of these 3? This isn't even a case of changing laws and shit, just fucking do it. Hell, sending them to the mujahideen seems too soft of a punishment
They are humans and as such have rights. You can't declare people you don't like non human. It doesn't work like that. Your species is not based upon what you do. This isn't complicated.
Even if you could get away with torturing them that doesn't make it right. The legal system should not be a tool for retribution. That serves no-one. As for the "don't change laws, just do it". That doesn't seem a little silly to you? You're advocating vigiliantes torturing people who do bad shit with the tacit consent of the state?
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On December 24 2008 04:23 Kwark wrote:Show nested quote +On December 24 2008 04:00 frankbg wrote:
They are not human, have no rights and deserved to go through what they made their victims go through.
This is like a one time thing. This is not worldwide eye-for-an-eye. Who's gonna try to get back at people for the torture & execution of these 3? This isn't even a case of changing laws and shit, just fucking do it. Hell, sending them to the mujahideen seems too soft of a punishment You're advocating vigiliantes torturing people who do bad shit with the tacit consent of the state?
Boldly put, yes.
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