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HnR)hT
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Louder
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On December 07 2008 12:04 HeadBangaa wrote: You throw away all the economic aspects of conservative legacy, all the secular justifications for conservative social policy, and focus on the sole subset of fundamentalist conservative Christians. That's your straw man, first of all. Second of all, in attacking this straw man, you are weak. People have a religious right. Freedom of religion is the motto, not freedom from religion. It's someone personal decision to adhere to "reason before faith" and you can't judge a man for it. If you do, you oppose his religious rights. If someone chooses faith over reason, accusing him of being illogical is a moot point because by definition he does not subscribe to your paradigm of logic as defined by you. I run into your world view pretty often, and it's always intriguing to see the proponents of tolerance exercise their intolerance of intolerance (ie, an opposing point of view). Sigh. Freedom FROM religion is the same thing as freedom OF religion. Separation of church and state is as much about freedom FROM religion as freedom OF religion. False dichotomy ftw. Conservative economics are why our economy is failing and why we have the most astounding concentration of wealth and lack of lower/middle class stability that this country has seen. I am intolerant of those who justify their imposition of their beliefs on the world by screaming freedom of religion. And I am attacking conservatism as a philosophy because it is rooted in belief, not logic, and I have cited numerous simple to grasp examples of why. | ||
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dream-_-
United States1857 Posts
As far as arguing politics with conservatives, it has many similarities to arguing religion with a creationist. The discouraging fact is how intertwined right wing views and Christianity have become, even though it didn't start that way. Its also discouraging to know that many people(even Portland, Oregon where I was raised) still attempt to deny their children any knowledge of anything that would contradict with their beliefs. At least its promising that the world is changing, even if the country isn't. | ||
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Louder
United States2276 Posts
On December 07 2008 12:10 HnR)hT wrote: I can't argue against Louder anymore, since he might take away my privilege of wearing the HnR label if he gets mad <3 HAH. If I had any reason to think it was worth the time and trouble to cite evidence with everything I say, I would... but I can't imagine why I'd bother. It's more fun to rant and bicker. Takes a lot less time. | ||
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Louder
United States2276 Posts
On December 07 2008 12:14 dream-_- wrote: The fact of the matter is that 100 years down the road people will view right wing elitist politics the way we view the dark ages now. As far as arguing politics with conservatives, it has many similarities to arguing religion with a creationist. The discouraging fact is how intertwined right wing views and Christianity have become, even though it didn't start that way. Its also discouraging to know that many people(even Portland, Oregon where I was raised) still attempt to deny their children any knowledge of anything that would contradict with their beliefs. At least its promising that the world is changing, even if the country isn't. Yep. But watch out - the guys who base their world view on BELIEF, never on FACT, are going to scream that you're wrong unless you can provide evidence to support YOUR opinions  | ||
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dream-_-
United States1857 Posts
On December 07 2008 12:12 Louder wrote: Conservative economics are why our economy is failing and why we have the most astounding concentration of wealth and lack of lower/middle class stability that this country has seen. Good posts Louder. The majority of the worlds leaders have known that conservative Economics has never had merit. Trickle down systems are nothing short of propaganda, and I have always found it hard to believe that it's creators considered it effective. Now it's just easier to see. | ||
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HnR)hT
United States3468 Posts
On December 07 2008 12:15 Louder wrote: HAH. If I had any reason to think it was worth the time and trouble to cite evidence with everything I say, I would... but I can't imagine why I'd bother. It's more fun to rant and bicker. Takes a lot less time. I basically said the same thing elsewhere in this thread, when some guy kept telling me I haven't proved something to his satisfaction. So I'm actually with you here. My point about evidence was mainly an attack on the hypocrisy of some of the other posters | ||
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HeadBangaa
United States6512 Posts
On December 07 2008 12:12 Louder wrote: Conservative economics are why our economy is failing and why we have the most astounding concentration of wealth and lack of lower/middle class stability that this country has seen. Oversimplification, assumptive, biased. And even if you did go to the trouble of substantiating such a vague statement, this does not engage my critique of your straw man usage. Nothing substantive from you so I'm done. /internet politics | ||
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Louder
United States2276 Posts
On December 07 2008 12:22 HeadBangaa wrote: Louder, if you believe people don't have religious rights, then you are wrong. People are afforded their arbitrary belief sets, and freedom of religion implies nothing more than governmental agnosticism. (Mis)interpreted your way, religious people should be suppressed from public opinion. Oversimplification, assumptive, biased. And even if you did go to the trouble of substantiating such a vague statement, this does not engage my critique of your straw man usage. Nothing substantive from you so I'm done. /internet politics HAH if you knew what a straw man was and made a reasonable point, I'd respond. You're creating a straw man in my argument to prove that I am using a straw man on yours. You're taking things I never said and injecting them into what I did say in order to accuse me of a logical fallacy I have not committed. gg | ||
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QibingZero
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dream-_-
United States1857 Posts
On December 07 2008 11:39 HnR)hT wrote: Berlusconi? The nationalist parties all over Europe? Let's not exaggerate. In any case, it appears you are arguing that conservatism is false because much of Europe appears to think so. I guess you'd be arguing that Fascism is the way to go if it were 1942, using exactly the same logic. The difference is that European countries are thriving under a liberal government. The quality of life for it's citizens is up vastly, while the quality of life for Americans is down. What has caused this? Well, most countries in Europe have strong social nets for people, while America makes it harder and harder to do things such as file bankruptcy, receive health care, or get on disability and unemployment. Equal opportunity possibilities such as College are harder and harder to receive in America's current government, while easier and easier in Europe's. America is no longer the land of equal opportunity, Europe is far ahead of us in that aspect; the most basic aspect of what this country was supposed to be as far as I am concerned. On December 07 2008 11:39 HnR)hT wrote: One needn't be a Christian fundamentalist to understand that there is no such thing as "gay marriage". Where outside of the bible is there any reference to gay marriage being wrong? | ||
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HnR)hT
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Fzero
United States1503 Posts
Getting a little off topic aren't we children? Wake up. You're arguing on an internet forum where you know it is impossible to change people's opinions ABOUT SUBJECTS THAT ARE INFLAMMATORY. Could you be any more idiotic? | ||
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HnR)hT
United States3468 Posts
On December 07 2008 12:33 dream-_- wrote: The difference is that European countries are thriving under a liberal government. The quality of life for it's citizens is up vastly, while the quality of life for Americans is down. What has caused this? The notion that European countries are thriving is COMPLETELY FALSE (at least as a general statement, it might be true for, say, Sweden). Crime rates in Britain are through the roof (they are really astronomical compared to what they were 100 years ago). In EU people get arrested for privately making "racially insensitive" comments. Muslim immigrants from Africa and central Asia are making life increasingly dangerous for gays, women, and Jews. The Europeans may have some material advantages over Americans, but they have some serious problems of their own. It's not that it is morally wrong, it's simply a nonsensical notion. | ||
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Mindcrime
United States6899 Posts
On December 07 2008 12:36 HnR)hT wrote: Of course liberals have their own equivalent of Intelligent Design: the denial of human biodiversity. wat | ||
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QibingZero
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On December 07 2008 12:36 HnR)hT wrote: Of course liberals have their own equivalent of Intelligent Design: the denial of human biodiversity. Not that you have any rational reason for bringing that up in this thread, but what on earth are you trying to say there? lol | ||
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QibingZero
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On December 07 2008 12:46 HnR)hT wrote: The notion that European countries are thriving is COMPLETELY FALSE (at least as a general statement, it might be true for, say, Sweden). Crime rates in Britain are through the roof (they are really astronomical compared to what they were 100 years ago). In EU people get arrested for privately making "racially insensitive" comments. Muslim immigrants from Africa and central Asia are making life increasingly dangerous for gays, women, and Jews. The Europeans may have some material advantages over Americans, but they have some serious problems of their own. Must be signs of the apocalypse! | ||
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dream-_-
United States1857 Posts
On December 07 2008 12:46 HnR)hT wrote: The notion that European countries are thriving is COMPLETELY FALSE (at least as a general statement, it might be true for, say, Sweden). Crime rates in Britain are through the roof (they are really astronomical compared to what they were 100 years ago). In EU people get arrested for privately making "racially insensitive" comments. Muslim immigrants from Africa and central Asia are making life increasingly dangerous for gays, women, and Jews. The Europeans may have some material advantages over Americans, but they have some serious problems of their own. It's not that it is morally wrong, it's simply a nonsensical notion. Look at the standard of living index for most major European countries. Also, look at the polls for how satisfied the people are with their government. You do realize that almost all polls for American presidents show landslide victory's for the liberal. The people must be happy with what their government is doing. On the other hand America is brimming with civil unrest and turmoil because of faulty government policies. Why do you think Obama's message of "Change" was so powerful in a modern America? Also how exactly is marriage in any form a nonsensical notation? If you oppose gay marriage for any reason other than religious I can only assume that you are a homophobe. | ||
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On December 07 2008 12:36 HnR)hT wrote: Of course liberals have their own equivalent of Intelligent Design: the denial of human biodiversity. Iman - Somali supermodel (shown with husband David Bowie) Iman was the first major fashion model from Northeast Africa. Beautiful Somali, Ethiopian, and Sudanese models are becoming common, since many have the extremely elongated body shape that the gay men who dominate the fashion industry have decreed is the ideal womanly image lolololol awesome link | ||
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HnR)hT
United States3468 Posts
On December 07 2008 12:55 QibingZero wrote: Not that you have any rational reason for bringing that up in this thread, but what on earth are you trying to say there? lol Didn't expect you to understand, but here you go: It is an incontrovertible empirical fact that different human races and ethnic groups took different evolutionary paths starting from the last 50,000 years or so, and that these differences are large and significant enough to have repercussions for living in modern Western societies. | ||
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