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Luddite
United States2315 Posts
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terr13
United States298 Posts
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inkblot
United States1250 Posts
If I were in a hypothetical situation where I had the options a) kill an attacker in self defense (he will kill me otherwise) and b) I can let him cut off my arm but he will be incapacitated and imprisoned, which option should I take? I like the first one alot more. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10568 Posts
On November 03 2008 16:02 inkblot wrote: I don't take the distinction between civilian and soldier to be as big as some apparently do. Unless the civilians are ignorant and/or unsupportive (held captive more or less) of their military's actions, they are very much the enemy. If you value the lives of your enemy's civilians more than the lives of your own soldiers, who's side are you on? Of course, minimizing the killing is important, but it's a secondary goal. I agree. It's hard to tell the side holding the I.W.I.N. button that it's better if 190,000 of their soldiers die instead of 200,000 civilians because hey, 190,000 < 200,000. As someone said before, if you had the choice of killing a family member, or killing two strangers, which are you gonna choose? | ||
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Choros
Australia530 Posts
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terr13
United States298 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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banged
United States46 Posts
this is amusing - do rednecks really visit TL? | ||
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fig_newbie
749 Posts
On November 03 2008 16:20 banged wrote: hahaha everyone who voted yes should be banned for atleast 2-3 weeks this is amusing - do rednecks really visit TL? shut the fuck up if you have nothing to contribute. people have put forth compelling arguments on both sides and you come in with these weak insults? | ||
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D10
Brazil3409 Posts
On November 03 2008 16:20 banged wrote: hahaha everyone who voted yes should be banned for atleast 2-3 weeks this is amusing - do rednecks really visit TL? So many have died for so much less, i agree it was horrible, i agree it was unforgivable, but dont you honestly believe it might have saved many lives, japanese AND americans on the long run? I dont really see it as a "kill 2 cities button push" i see it as "end a horrible war button push" And i believe they really screwed up on regard that they bombed cities, they should have bombed less populated places, the moral effect would be just as devastating. Alert or not alert it was horrible, but on believing an open field war that everyone was fucking tired off was the other option, i dont hold a grudge. | ||
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banged
United States46 Posts
On November 03 2008 16:25 fig_newbie wrote: shut the fuck up if you have nothing to contribute. people have put forth compelling arguments on both sides and you come in with these weak insults? lol redneck why are you mad at me? What was the arguments that you talking about? The pseudo-historical references people made in order to justify dropping A-bombs on civilians? You ever heard about the war crimes? The ones that were listed here are lesser crimes that this one, does your brain comprehend that? Or you're "retarded"? Do u realize that anything can be justified, even blowing up twin towers and destroying whole fucking country for your purpose? When they dropped the A-bombs they didn't know if Japan would instantly surrender. They tested a new fucking weapon on a city full of civilians. Do you realize why things like cassette and cluster bombs getting banned internationally? Did u ever see what napalm does do people? This shit happened just 1 lifespan ago. You are not redneck for fucking your cousin while watching Nascar, i honestly dont blame u for that - u take after your father. You are a redneck inside your head, poor braindead moron who stopped developing after 7th grade. This coming from history major, not your kitchen table. | ||
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D10
Brazil3409 Posts
and its not your opinions, its how you express them. | ||
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Jayson X
Switzerland2431 Posts
But the moment right before the explosion must have been magical. The split second of silence before the utter devastating destruction hits your face. The moment were they just knew it's all going to end right here right now and no power in the universe could safe them. Imagine how you look at it and you immediatly feel it in your stomach that in a milisecond everything is going to end for you. You won't be able to hug your wife and kids or finish your work, or even smile let alone look at next person around you. You cant even wink, your whole body is clenched because it knows even before you know it, this is it. Everything you build up with your own hands, everything that belonged to you, everything you loved and hated and then eventually learned to love anyway is going to vanish with you into blackness. No why's no how's, no questions no answers, it's just going to happen and while time slows down only to speed up for the last time in your life you gaze at the beauty of this spectacular moment. And then it ends. At least for some of them. Most of them (and/or their kids) die a slow and painfull death from burns, radiation or random diseases that pop up later that make them vomit their own blood because the cancer in their body is about to rip their body apart while keeping it alive long enough to give it excruciating pain. And even if you somehow managed to dodge all of that there still exploded a fucking nuke in your fucking neighbourhood that fucking destroyed fucking everything. | ||
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fig_newbie
749 Posts
On November 03 2008 16:40 banged wrote: lol redneck why are you mad at me? What was the arguments that you talking about? The pseudo-historical references people made in order to justify dropping A-bombs on civilians? You ever heard about the war crimes? The ones that were listed here are lesser crimes that this one, does your brain comprehend that? Or you're "retarded"? Do u realize that anything can be justified, even blowing up twin towers and destroying whole fucking country for your purpose? When they dropped the A-bombs they didn't know if Japan would instantly surrender. They tested a new fucking weapon on a city full of civilians. Do you realize why things like cassette and cluster bombs getting banned internationally? Did u ever see what napalm does do people? This shit happened just 1 lifespan ago. You are not redneck for fucking your cousin while watching Nascar, i honestly dont blame u for that - u take after your father. You are a redneck inside your head, poor braindead moron who stopped developing after 7th grade. This coming from history major, not your kitchen table. LOL @ history major | ||
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terr13
United States298 Posts
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EmeraldSparks
United States1451 Posts
On November 03 2008 16:20 banged wrote: you are not redneck for fucking your cousin while watching Nascar, i honestly dont blame u for that - u take after your father. You are a redneck inside your head, poor braindead moron who stopped developing after 7th grade. And you're calling for other people to be banned? | ||
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kdog3683
United States916 Posts
Thing is he's actually a History Major @ who graduated with top honors. His writing is a bit childish because he's Russian Immigrant who moved here only 2 years ago. In his native tongue, he would have destroyed the poster in a much more efficient manner; not that the poster wasn't horribly dismantled. | ||
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fig_newbie
749 Posts
On November 03 2008 17:34 Jayson X wrote: Radi-FUCKING-ation. But the moment right before the explosion must have been magical. The split second of silence before the utter devastating destruction hits your face. The moment were they just knew it's all going to end right here right now and no power in the universe could safe them. Imagine how you look at it and you immediatly feel it in your stomach that in a milisecond everything is going to end for you. You won't be able to hug your wife and kids or finish your work, or even smile let alone look at next person around you. You cant even wink, your whole body is clenched because it knows even before you know it, this is it. Everything you build up with your own hands, everything that belonged to you, everything you loved and hated and then eventually learned to love anyway is going to vanish with you into blackness. No why's no how's, no questions no answers, it's just going to happen and while time slows down only to speed up for the last time in your life you gaze at the beauty of this spectacular moment. And then it ends. At least for some of them. Most of them (and/or their kids) die a slow and painfull death from burns, radiation or random diseases that pop up later that make them vomit their own blood because the cancer in their body is about to rip their body apart while keeping it alive long enough to give it excruciating pain. And even if you somehow managed to dodge all of that there still exploded a fucking nuke in your fucking neighbourhood that fucking destroyed fucking everything. A sharp, twisting pain explodes in your stomach as you see, too late, the Japanese soldier hiding in the car. In the middle of the overwhelming chaos, you were careless. Goddamnit, you think, then, involuntarily, your knees buckle under you. You lean against a smoldering heap that was once a fish market, now a gutted and firebombed ruin. There are bodies everywhere. Blood is flowing around you, under you, and the air is tinged with a fine pink mist. It smells like a peculiar blend of dust, smoke and gore. You look down at your belly and see curious bits of pink and white protruding from a pool of dark crimson. You panic; the pain erupts like a white hot knife from your your stomach to your arms, to your chest, teeth, eyes. It hurts so bad. Your comrades scramble around you and gun down the nip that took you out. Oh God,you hear them say, your ears aching from the booming of mortars, bombs, screams and cries around you. Hes a goner, you hear someone mutter. Then it hits you - you will die today, in a foreign country, far from your family, far from your home. You never even laid that pretty young recruiter who promised you a date when you got back from this, this final push into the heart of an enemy nation that stubbornly refused to give up. The pain starts to give way to a cold numbness. No why's no how's, no questions no answers, it's just going to happen and while time slows down only to speed up for the last time in your life you gaze at the smoky horizon, at this perverted agony of hell come to wretched life. You try not to hate the Japanese in your last moments - God wouldn't like that, you think. Its hard. And then it ends. | ||
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ShcShc
Canada912 Posts
When they dropped the A-bombs they didn't know if Japan would instantly surrender. They tested a new fucking weapon on a city full of civilians. This is FALSE. There was a report where it recommended Truman to use exactly TWO Atomic Bombs to bring the surrender of the Japanese Imperial ARMY (keyword: ARMY). And dropping two turned out to be the right choice. If you are indeed a history major, you would know which report this came from. | ||
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bahaa
Lebanon29 Posts
Remember the ships scenario the Joker orchestrated in The Dark Knight? Basically he wired two ships with explosives and he gave the ability of both crews to detonate each others, otherwise after a certain time, both ships will detonate. On one ship there are ordinary civilians and on the other there are prisoners. Let's say the U.S. was "good", and Japan was "evil", The U.S. is the civilians’ ship and Japan is the prisoner's ship. What happened in that movie? Well most people from both ships wanted the other ship detonated. This is exactly the same kind of scenario as 1945 when the U.S. decided to drop those bombs. Now what was the right decision? No detonation! That's what happened in the movie, but regardless. If both decided not to detonate each other's ships, then both ships will be auto-detonated. MORE CASUALTIES, no evil from both sides, HUMANITY WINS. If the U.S. decided to play it clean, there would have been more casualties, but at least it would have been human and remained an act of self-defense in response to Pearl Harbor. I hope that made my point more clear. | ||
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