EPTApparently the SS-tattoo'd Utkin guy who gave name to Wagner was also on the plane.
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
Apparently the SS-tattoo'd Utkin guy who gave name to Wagner was also on the plane. | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
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r00ty
Germany1057 Posts
On August 24 2023 04:44 Magic Powers wrote: Is it possible to identify victims of a plane crash like this one? Yes and I'm confident the Russian investigators will present a conven.. i mean conclusive report when it's ready. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8156 Posts
On August 24 2023 04:44 Magic Powers wrote: Is it possible to identify victims of a plane crash like this one? Yes, of course. It's not done overnight tho. They have the passenger list, and can match blood and dna tests found at the wreckage up against it | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Dan HH
Romania9135 Posts
And a fake death scenario without Putin's knowledge is even less plausible simply because of the method. Obviously if he weren't the one that ordered the plane shot down he would immediately think of this. The one part that confuses me about this whole ordeal is why Prigozhin returned to Russia after the coup and was strolling around like nothing had happened and he was safe? I would have expected him to disappear himself immediately. | ||
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32743 Posts
I'm also perplexed how Prigozhin flew into Russia. I thought he was exiled? Did he flaunt the rules believing he was above it? | ||
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Sent.
Poland9244 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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0x64
Finland4582 Posts
On August 24 2023 05:06 Dan HH wrote: The fake death scenario doesn't seem plausible. If Prigozhin were to show up somewhere in a year that would make Putin get way more egg on his face, I don't see why Putin would take that risk. Just to let a guy that backstabbed him (his own words) live out his days? He's not exactly the sentimental type. And a fake death scenario without Putin's knowledge is even less plausible simply because of the method. Obviously if he weren't the one that ordered the plane shot down he would immediately think of this. The one part that confuses me about this whole ordeal is why Prigozhin returned to Russia after the coup and was strolling around like nothing had happened and he was safe? I would have expected him to disappear himself immediately. Fake or not fake, it's permanent good bye for him and this world. The result should be the same. | ||
KwarK
United States43205 Posts
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JimmiC
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ZeroByte13
775 Posts
And now it's like nothing happened at all, as if it was a dream. And later that day I see these news. Funny how it works sometimes. | ||
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KwarK
United States43205 Posts
On June 25 2023 03:44 KwarK wrote: Nothing about this makes sense as a staged event. Putin comes out of this looking like shit. Bitten by his own dog, going on tv attacking them, then granting them amnesty and giving in to their demands. It’s all humiliating for him. Meanwhile Prigozhin seems to have come at the king and missed. Maybe he was promised key defections by allies that bailed on him when he pulled the trigger, maybe he was delusional about troops coming to his side like Napoleon’s march on Paris. This outcome can’t have been the one he planned because he has to know he’s under a death sentence. You can’t demand a new president and march on the capital as a bluff. I would happily make a $100 bet with anyone here that Prigozhin dies of unnatural causes in the next 2 years. | ||
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KwarK
United States43205 Posts
They won’t actually stop because tankies don’t care about facts, only narratives, but we can hope. | ||
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0x64
Finland4582 Posts
Yeah, that was my reaction as well when the coup was negociated... He forgot he is only the boss of his army | ||
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Dan HH
Romania9135 Posts
On August 24 2023 05:37 JimmiC wrote: Does anyone like him enough to retaliate? If they didn't join him on his hail mary 2 months ago, there's hardly any point of doing something now without him. Surovikin was probably his closest ally with power, but on the day of the coup he made a public appeal to him stand down, and he's been unheard from since. | ||
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Neneu
Norway492 Posts
EDIT: Perfect timing for celebrating Ukraine's National Day as well | ||
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captainwaffles
United States1050 Posts
That being said, either hypothesis could be true, but we know the turtle won the race. In fact, if you assumed because his name was on the manifest that he was on board, you underestimate the 5d chess Russia has been playing. | ||
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Magic Powers
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