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Magic Powers
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JimmiC
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WombaT
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Why do it here when they’ve been roundly condemned by all and sundry? | ||
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JimmiC
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Fildun
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It feels like in order to have a discussion with you, you have to both deduce your position and reasoning while simultaneously needing to put a ton of (imo unnecessary) effort into clarifying ones own points when they're already pretty damn clear. A bunch of posts in these last pages have points in them you can reply to content-wise (dunno how to phrase this better) but yours are not too common among those, JimmiC. | ||
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JimmiC
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WombaT
Northern Ireland23286 Posts
On February 01 2024 06:18 JimmiC wrote: Nope, you just have to read the words I actually write instead of the ones you make up for me. Like go ahead and find the post where I say Israel is the good guys. Or find the one where I support them moving their military into Gaza. Or any of the other wrong and dumb shit you and the like keep accusing me of. It is also tiring to read the uninformed fan fiction about what Hamas is doing. They are not good people forced to do bad things. Please answer what was the point of Oct 7 in regards to Hamas's goals. I don't dodge questions, I source my shit, it is not a hard bar to reach. Fildun mentioned nothing as far as actual positions go, he solely criticised how you engage in this thread sometimes. Which you decided not to engage with and went on a tangent. | ||
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Fildun
Netherlands4118 Posts
On February 01 2024 06:18 JimmiC wrote: Nope, you just have to read the words I actually write instead of the ones you make up for me. Like go ahead and find the post where I say Israel is the good guys. Or find the one where I support them moving their military into Gaza. Or any of the other wrong and dumb shit you and the like keep accusing me of. It is also tiring to read the uninformed fan fiction about what Hamas is doing. They are not good people forced to do bad things. Please answer what was the point of Oct 7 in regards to Hamas's goals. I don't dodge questions, I source my shit, it is not a hard bar to reach. I haven't accused you of any of those things and you also have not used sources in any of the posts I was referring to, aka the last couple pages. You may very well have been posting high quality sources before that, I don't know so I can't judge on that, but regardless I didn't criticise you on that front anyway so I'm not sure why you brought it up. I also won't claim to know enough about Hamas inner politics to say exactly why they did what they did. Obviously they want to kill Israelis/remove the state of Israel but why this operation instead of terror bombings or intensified rocket attacks I can't say for certain, so unfortunately I have no full and complete answer to your question of what exactly the purpose and the logic of Oct 7 was. Edit: nvm, scrolled past the links about Hamas and food, those were good | ||
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JimmiC
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Fildun
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I also think that removing Hamas won't remove the oppression by Israel and vice versa. So I don't think any solutions will come from either party, even though technically both have options. My opinion is that the only lasting positive measures have to start with international community pressure, and thus with the US, however we also all know the history of US led talks and the assassinations that followed etc. Coming back to Hamas, I do object to the way dead Hamas members are celebrated in various western media channels. Resistance fighting is an understandable way of action and we should decry that it came to this, not celebrate kill counts like in some videogame. That said, Hamas leadership is obviously evil, as are the people who carried out the Oct 7 attacks | ||
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JimmiC
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WombaT
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Magic Powers
Austria3499 Posts
On February 01 2024 16:44 WombaT wrote: You can be a heinous organisation and still be a resistance movement, the former doesn’t preclude the latter. Hear me out, if you beat up some kids, you can't be friends with other kids. You can't be hateful in one direction and caring in another. Black or white, nothing in between. Unless you're Jewish, then you can kill Palestinians and protect Jews. That works just fine. No double standard at all, no flaw in the logic at all. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13949 Posts
Lex - Omar Lex - Shapiro/Destiny Those with a Pro-Israeli bent have a geopolitical frame of reference on the matter, whereas the Palestinian bent is more focused on the plight of the people themselves. I think as 3rd-Party observers it's easier for us to have an "objective utilitarian" view on these conflicts and in doing so, I find we do a disservice to the people on the ground. | ||
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Ciaus237
South Africa254 Posts
On February 01 2024 23:50 Cricketer12 wrote: Lex had a Shapiro Destiny debate last week followed by an Omar Suleiman podcast this week. I think it's really interesting to see how Ben and Destiny discuss Israel/Palestine vs how Omar does. Lex - Omar Lex - Shapiro/Destiny Those with a Pro-Israeli bent have a geopolitical frame of reference on the matter, whereas the Palestinian bent is more focused on the plight of the people themselves. I think as 3rd-Party observers it's easier for us to have an "objective utilitarian" view on these conflicts and in doing so, I find we do a disservice to the people on the ground. Don't know of Omar, but a Lex Shapiro Destiny discussion is something I lack the heart medication and earplugs needed to have bouncing around the air to which my poor ears are adjacent. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland23286 Posts
On February 01 2024 23:50 Cricketer12 wrote: Lex had a Shapiro Destiny debate last week followed by an Omar Suleiman podcast this week. I think it's really interesting to see how Ben and Destiny discuss Israel/Palestine vs how Omar does. Lex - Omar Lex - Shapiro/Destiny Those with a Pro-Israeli bent have a geopolitical frame of reference on the matter, whereas the Palestinian bent is more focused on the plight of the people themselves. I think as 3rd-Party observers it's easier for us to have an "objective utilitarian" view on these conflicts and in doing so, I find we do a disservice to the people on the ground. Yeah this is a very good point and one worth reminding oneself of from time to time | ||
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TentativePanda
United States800 Posts
On February 01 2024 23:50 Cricketer12 wrote: Lex had a Shapiro Destiny debate last week followed by an Omar Suleiman podcast this week. I think it's really interesting to see how Ben and Destiny discuss Israel/Palestine vs how Omar does. Lex - Omar Lex - Shapiro/Destiny Those with a Pro-Israeli bent have a geopolitical frame of reference on the matter, whereas the Palestinian bent is more focused on the plight of the people themselves. I think as 3rd-Party observers it's easier for us to have an "objective utilitarian" view on these conflicts and in doing so, I find we do a disservice to the people on the ground. I'm quite embarrassed that Destiny spawned from the Starcraft scene. The guy is a true psychopath, and I'm not just saying that to throw an insult at him. But what's even more terrifying than his obvious and nefarious grift, is his following horde of degenerate gamers who seem so intellectually bankrupt that they can't even distinguish between a logical, sound argument, and crude fallacy. | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland11786 Posts
On February 02 2024 00:17 Ciaus237 wrote: Don't know of Omar, but a Lex Shapiro Destiny discussion is something I lack the heart medication and earplugs needed to have bouncing around the air to which my poor ears are adjacent. Certainly have to agree there. Also, Destiny's takes on Israel Palestine were very bad from what I saw, so I'm not sure what they're arguing about, not that I'll check. Will listen to the other guy since I don't know him. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13949 Posts
On February 02 2024 00:45 Nebuchad wrote: Certainly have to agree there. Also, Destiny's takes on Israel Palestine were very bad from what I saw, so I'm not sure what they're arguing about, not that I'll check. Will listen to the other guy since I don't know him. On Israel? They don't, they're pretty much in agreement. Destiny just makes a point that he dislikes settlements. | ||
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JimmiC
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