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On September 30 2020 12:31 Shingi11 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2020 12:27 m4ini wrote:On September 30 2020 12:25 NewSunshine wrote:On September 30 2020 12:15 m4ini wrote: Okay.
I know the rules and stuff, but i can't really give any context, or my opinion on this. Not without breaking rules. I've mentioned this to Danglars specifically in the politics thread, that Trump is an enabler (remember, you calling people hysteric because they got pissed off about trump priming his base for exactly this kind of bullshit?). I don't think you need any more proof.
But he's just joking, you see. The more reasonable Republicans don't take Trump seriously, so don't pay attention to the fanatics who actually commit the violence and kill people over their politics. They're not real. Funny. Or so would i say if this wasn't the actual argument. Dont you know trump never means what he says, its just talk between the boys. Also have you heard about the face eating leopards party, great bunch.
Joe Exotic/Carole Baskin 2024?
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On September 30 2020 12:06 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2020 12:03 Mohdoo wrote:Curious how people feel about this on TL: Poll: Should the microphone of who isn't the designated speaker be muted?Yes (35) 78% No (10) 22% 45 total votes Your vote: Should the microphone of who isn't the designated speaker be muted? (Vote): Yes (Vote): No
Absolutely not, let us see these men for who they are. Why not law and order for a debate that has rules?
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From 538's coverage there was this tracker which aggregated sentiment about both candidates. General sentiment about both candidates dropped off sharply aft the beginning of the debate, and I guess Biden had a couple more positive bumps than Trump, but it was as much a condemnation of the debate format and shitshow than the candidatest themselves.
As far as my opinion on the debate itself, Biden isn't as sharp as he was, but he's good enough. I think it solidifies the opinions of leaning Bidens that he's not going to keel over in the first months of office. I have no clue if Trumps ranting plays well with his base, but I guess that kind of incivility resonates. What we saw in any of the previous debates this year as far as chaos goes pretty much doesn't compare to this.
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FYI as a Portland resident
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On September 30 2020 12:36 CorsairHero wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2020 12:06 Introvert wrote:On September 30 2020 12:03 Mohdoo wrote:Curious how people feel about this on TL: Poll: Should the microphone of who isn't the designated speaker be muted?Yes (35) 78% No (10) 22% 45 total votes Your vote: Should the microphone of who isn't the designated speaker be muted? (Vote): Yes (Vote): No
Absolutely not, let us see these men for who they are. Why not law and order for a debate that has rules? Wondering the same thing. Why can't a presidential debate be focused on the content of ideas and ability to express oneself, like a normal debate, instead of focusing on which one can shout everyone down the most? Sounds like the best way to see them for who they are in my book. Being an obnoxious asshole who doesn't let other people speak does reveal something about a man, but it's probably something best kept a secret.
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On September 30 2020 12:43 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2020 12:36 CorsairHero wrote:On September 30 2020 12:06 Introvert wrote:On September 30 2020 12:03 Mohdoo wrote:Curious how people feel about this on TL: Poll: Should the microphone of who isn't the designated speaker be muted?Yes (35) 78% No (10) 22% 45 total votes Your vote: Should the microphone of who isn't the designated speaker be muted? (Vote): Yes (Vote): No
Absolutely not, let us see these men for who they are. Why not law and order for a debate that has rules? Being an obnoxious asshole who doesn't let other people speak does reveal something about a man, but it's probably something best kept a secret. Exactly, which is why his choice to act in such a manner revealed more about character than him pretending to be civil would. It's his right to make a fool of himself, let them say what they want.
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On September 30 2020 12:48 NrG.Bamboo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2020 12:43 NewSunshine wrote:On September 30 2020 12:36 CorsairHero wrote:On September 30 2020 12:06 Introvert wrote:On September 30 2020 12:03 Mohdoo wrote:Curious how people feel about this on TL: Poll: Should the microphone of who isn't the designated speaker be muted?Yes (35) 78% No (10) 22% 45 total votes Your vote: Should the microphone of who isn't the designated speaker be muted? (Vote): Yes (Vote): No
Absolutely not, let us see these men for who they are. Why not law and order for a debate that has rules? Being an obnoxious asshole who doesn't let other people speak does reveal something about a man, but it's probably something best kept a secret. Exactly, which is why his choice to act in such a manner revealed more about character than him pretending to be civil would. It's his right to make a fool of himself, let them say what they want.
That's been on prominent display for four years though... nothing to "reveal" there. I was very depressed at how fumbling Biden seemed, it was really his time to reveal something. I wish we had someone young and sharp rather than this appeal to going back to pre-Trump business as usual. But sadly this is the choice we get because Trump has to go.
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It's his right to make an ass of himself, but the moderator of a debate should have the power to actually moderate the conversation in turn so the other person can participate in the debate. If there is going to be any value in the debates, there needs to be a mechanism for someone to get a word in when it's their turn to respond to a question or point. Period.
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On September 30 2020 12:06 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2020 12:03 Mohdoo wrote:Curious how people feel about this on TL: Poll: Should the microphone of who isn't the designated speaker be muted?Yes (35) 78% No (10) 22% 45 total votes Your vote: Should the microphone of who isn't the designated speaker be muted? (Vote): Yes (Vote): No
Absolutely not, let us see these men for who they are. Part of me thinks each side should have a button which mutes opposition for up to 20 seconds, with 3 charges.
Would be hilarious, and strategic use of the mute button to either interrupt the opponent while they're making a point, or shutting them up to get your point across could be a fun change.
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We're very far from a point where the entertainment value of the debates should be a primary concern.
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The most immediate polling on the debate results suggest Biden ended up the winner. Comparing Trump's debates against Hillary, he didn't do that much better against Biden. Polling showed that Trump was expected to win, so Biden must have really outperformed expectations. Apparently Trump's rhetoric and bluster didn't play so well outside of his baseline, people are mostly blaming him for the lack of decorum and I guess Biden's favourability advantage and appeals to the viewers paid off even with a dull showing.
CBS + Show Spoiler +
CNN + Show Spoiler +
Data Progress: Biden 51% (+11) - Trump 39%
The poll that best represents how we all feel after that travesty + Show Spoiler +
Looooool. This was actually a better than expected day for Biden maybe.
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clown fiesta, they were both terrible
truly embarrassing to watch
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How did the Debate make you feel?
Annoyed 69% Entertained 31% Pessimistic 19% Informed 17% + Show Spoiler +
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On September 30 2020 13:18 JimmiC wrote: Trump touting law and order while breaking every rule, and just after the tax info was hilarious. Biden was right albeit cheesy to say only with Justice.
Trump had the memorable bad moments, Biden had the memorable lines and better close. If drone is right and this was for the 8% I cant imagine what Trump would have done to impress them.
He did lock down the far right white supremacist vote with the shout out though.
Which is barely anybody. This past weekend in Portland, the proud boys were apparently going to show up with “10K” strong and terrorize Portland. Only 200 or so showed up, from across the country mind you, multiple of them got arrested, and/or fined. The counter protests were in the thousands. Their little “attack” on Portland literally fizzled immediately.
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Would be interesting to see some level headed thoughts after people go to sleep and have the chance to analyze this debate again. I don't know what to think!
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i just watched some "highlights" of the debate and i was honestly laughing for a good minute because the whole thing was a joke. then i realised it wasnt funny at all, its just incredibly sad and pathetic that the "leader of the free world" has become a circus. america needs to take a good long look at themselves for being unable to produce a better candidate and a better president. what an absolute farce
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On September 30 2020 14:52 evilfatsh1t wrote: i just watched some "highlights" of the debate and i was honestly laughing for a good minute because the whole thing was a joke. then i realised it wasnt funny at all, its just incredibly sad and pathetic that the "leader of the free world" has become a circus. america needs to take a good long look at themselves for being unable to produce a better candidate and a better president. what an absolute farce
America and introspection have never mixed well
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On September 30 2020 14:52 evilfatsh1t wrote: i just watched some "highlights" of the debate and i was honestly laughing for a good minute because the whole thing was a joke. then i realised it wasnt funny at all, its just incredibly sad and pathetic that the "leader of the free world" has become a circus. america needs to take a good long look at themselves for being unable to produce a better candidate and a better president. what an absolute farce
Yeah the (cultural) damage accrued by that crazy Trump ride are vast. As with all good things, you will mainly miss them when they are gone. Conversely you are ok with all that and saying "WORTH IT".
Well, let's keep your fingers crossed Nov. 3rd will show a clear path forward.
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