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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46510 Posts
September 30 2020 02:52 GMT
#261
On September 30 2020 11:45 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2020 11:45 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Not gonna lie... 99% of school teachers would have done a better job moderating that debate than Chris Wallace. If you think watching and listening to that chaos was rough, picture 20 little Trumps running around a classroom while a teacher has to stay calm and patient and actually try to educate them, rather than scream and slap the shit out of them.


What else could he have done?


Not let Trump walk all over him?
Not let Trump hijack Biden's responses?
Been more stern with Trump?

I know that Trump would have gone into his usual pearl-clutching "you're out to get me / you're biased / woe is me" rant if he actually got shut down, but Wallace would have been praised quite highly if he actually had the balls to do something about Trump's absurd interrupting streak.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Ben...
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3485 Posts
September 30 2020 02:52 GMT
#262
What a fucking shitshow of a debate. Trump's answers at the end are genuinely concerning. Openly telling people to watch the polls and telling the proud boys to stand by.

This is not behaviour of someone who thinks they can win an election legitimately.
"Cliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide" -Tastosis
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46510 Posts
September 30 2020 02:53 GMT
#263
I think the VP debate (10/7) will be more level-headed, fwiw.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
September 30 2020 02:53 GMT
#264
On September 30 2020 11:52 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2020 11:45 Stratos_speAr wrote:
On September 30 2020 11:45 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Not gonna lie... 99% of school teachers would have done a better job moderating that debate than Chris Wallace. If you think watching and listening to that chaos was rough, picture 20 little Trumps running around a classroom while a teacher has to stay calm and patient and actually try to educate them, rather than scream and slap the shit out of them.


What else could he have done?


Not let Trump walk all over him?
Not let Trump hijack Biden's responses?
Been more stern with Trump?

I know that Trump would have gone into his usual pearl-clutching "you're out to get me / you're biased / woe is me" rant if he actually got shut down, but Wallace would have been praised quite highly if he actually had the balls to do something about Trump's absurd interrupting streak.

Honestly, he did all three of those things. And while it helped, it wasn't really enough to handle a full-on tantrum.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
September 30 2020 02:54 GMT
#265
This is not behaviour of someone who thinks they can win an election legitimately.


Does he strike you as the legit guy, having enough integrity to admit defeat? Or more like the guy who'd pay for people to make shit up about a political opponent?

I mean.. None of this is surprising. I'm surprised people are surprised or shocked. This isn't a new characteristic of trump. He's always been like that, from day one.
On track to MA1950A.
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9069 Posts
September 30 2020 02:54 GMT
#266
On September 30 2020 11:53 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I think the VP debate (10/7) will be more level-headed, fwiw.

If they even have it. If I was Harris, I'd just decline and make bullshit excuses to not do it. Let this debate be the last one and run ads until election of trump throwing a tantrum.
Fleetfeet
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Canada2836 Posts
September 30 2020 02:55 GMT
#267
I honestly don't think he could have done that without coming across as not-impartial, which would play in to Trump's hand. Trump's speed in playing the victim is his defense, and he's had enough real success in being a victim that it's likely to stick when he plays it again. He's the boy that cries wolf and people buy it because there was a wolf once or twice.
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32755 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-30 03:44:22
September 30 2020 02:55 GMT
#268
Well, that was an event. Pretty clear neither of them are strong debaters with Trump resorting to mostly bluster and interruptions to make his point, and Biden failing to articulate an answer to some tough personal questions or to stay on topic on certain inquiries. Trump won on the Supreme Court issue handily, Biden took the climate/environment question, the rest of the topics I think were a tie or just barely inching Biden's way, but that's just my bias speaking.

I don't think this was the night where Biden convinced the remaining undecided voters, and Trump should probably walk away happy he didn't exactly lose the debate either. If no one's mind is changed, that's still an acceptable result for Biden and a mediocre one for Trump, given that he's slipping heavily in key swing states like PA, MI, WI and even NC, OH and GA lately. Biden was making a lot of appeals to the Midwest and Rust Belt states that Clinton lost from Obama during that debate, and we'll see if it resonated or was lost in Trump's shouting.
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Shingi11
Profile Joined May 2016
290 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-09-30 02:57:08
September 30 2020 02:55 GMT
#269
All in all i dont think anyone "won" the debate in that no one is going to change who they are voting for after watching that.

I would say biden came out better though. HE had his ups and downs but he toed a accepted line if unimpressive. I could maybe see someone on the fence going for joe after this.

Trump on the other was a mess, all the sound bits are going to be from him and non of them good. Telling armed militia groups they need watch voters is bull. Yes his base wants to hear that but trump does not need to win his base. He needs to win everyone else that is fleeing from him.

Also going after bidens son addiction was low even for him. Even some republicans are calling him out on that
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
September 30 2020 02:57 GMT
#270
On September 30 2020 11:52 Ben... wrote:
What a fucking shitshow of a debate. Trump's answers at the end are genuinely concerning. Openly telling people to watch the polls and telling the proud boys to stand by.

This is not behaviour of someone who thinks they can win an election legitimately.


This to me says that Trump's data scientists are telling him he has nothing to lose. He is well on track to lose and anything he can do to make that not happen is a good idea.
Emnjay808
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States10666 Posts
September 30 2020 02:57 GMT
#271
Are people still convinced these debates are meant to win the "undecided vote"

lets be real lol
Skol
Starlightsun
Profile Blog Joined June 2016
United States1405 Posts
September 30 2020 02:58 GMT
#272
God that was utterly depressing and demoralizing.
vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
September 30 2020 02:58 GMT
#273
CNN saying Wallace had no control as a moderator. Like... what was he supposed to do??
I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically.
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9069 Posts
September 30 2020 02:59 GMT
#274
On September 30 2020 11:58 vult wrote:
CNN saying Wallace had no control as a moderator. Like... what was he supposed to do??

"Mr. President. Shut the fuck up or I will have your mic confiscated. You have been warned." ? I dunno.
Shingi11
Profile Joined May 2016
290 Posts
September 30 2020 03:00 GMT
#275
On September 30 2020 11:54 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2020 11:53 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I think the VP debate (10/7) will be more level-headed, fwiw.

If they even have it. If I was Harris, I'd just decline and make bullshit excuses to not do it. Let this debate be the last one and run ads until election of trump throwing a tantrum.


Harris is 1000X times the debater that pence is though. She is going to tear him a new hole. I see no reason she should not debate. In all honesty i wish she could debate trump too.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
September 30 2020 03:00 GMT
#276
On September 30 2020 11:57 Emnjay808 wrote:
Are people still convinced these debates are meant to win the "undecided vote"

lets be real lol


When Georgia is competitive, a "win" would have been Biden forgetting where he was. All Biden needed to do was not lose miserably.
vult
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States9400 Posts
September 30 2020 03:00 GMT
#277
Confiscating his mic would be shown as a liberal gag-order.
I used to play random, but for you I play very specifically.
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
September 30 2020 03:02 GMT
#278
On September 30 2020 12:00 Shingi11 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2020 11:54 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
On September 30 2020 11:53 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I think the VP debate (10/7) will be more level-headed, fwiw.

If they even have it. If I was Harris, I'd just decline and make bullshit excuses to not do it. Let this debate be the last one and run ads until election of trump throwing a tantrum.


Harris is 1000X times the debater that pence is though. She is going to tear him a new hole. I see no reason she should not debate. In all honesty i wish she could debate trump too.

Part of me wishes there was a cross debate of some sort where VP candidate vs P and vice versa.
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
September 30 2020 03:03 GMT
#279
Curious how people feel about this on TL:

Poll: Should the microphone of who isn't the designated speaker be muted?

Yes (35)
 
78%

No (10)
 
22%

45 total votes

Your vote: Should the microphone of who isn't the designated speaker be muted?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No



Fleetfeet
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Canada2836 Posts
September 30 2020 03:04 GMT
#280
On September 30 2020 12:00 Shingi11 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2020 11:54 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
On September 30 2020 11:53 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I think the VP debate (10/7) will be more level-headed, fwiw.

If they even have it. If I was Harris, I'd just decline and make bullshit excuses to not do it. Let this debate be the last one and run ads until election of trump throwing a tantrum.


Harris is 1000X times the debater that pence is though. She is going to tear him a new hole. I see no reason she should not debate. In all honesty i wish she could debate trump too.


I honestly don't think there's any debating Trump unless you have an above-average intelligence audience (not intended as a shot at the US) and come armed with a binder of data set to counter the bullshit he spouts (which is where your above average intelligence audience comes in, capable of understanding and appreciating the data). You can't go "This is the truth, and here is the proof" because he'll just say "No no no no all lies didnt happen fake news" and respond with "Crystal clear air, crystal clear water" without any actual substance or reference to any actual plan.
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