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MeSaber
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden1235 Posts
November 23 2022 15:27 GMT
#2381
On November 24 2022 00:18 Simberto wrote:
The starting images on these videos really say enough. Is that really what you want?

Rightwing people are so strange.


I didnt post the YT vids for the thumbnails, get real mate. This is not political in any sense and stop calling me rightwing, you have no proof of that.

If you dont like the content of the videos you dont have to click it nor do you have to comment on how the thumbnails look like, thats just BS arguments just for the sake of discussion.
-.-
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7328 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-11-23 15:36:46
November 23 2022 15:36 GMT
#2382
On November 23 2022 23:52 MeSaber wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2022 22:37 Sermokala wrote:
Tesla does not sell millions of vehicles they sell hundreds of thousands of vehicles a year and have had to recall millions this year.


You know that those are over-the-air updates right? No real "recall". https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-recalls-nearly-11-million-us-vehicles-update-window-reversing-software-2022-09-22/

""The terminology is outdated & inaccurate. This is a tiny over-the-air software update. To the best of our knowledge, there have been no injuries," he said."


@Kwark - Yes pls do.

Show nested quote +
On November 23 2022 23:00 Sadist wrote:
All that said,he still appears to be an asshole/troll. Maybe he has been rich and famous for so long that it finally went to his head. It definately seems like we are seeing a lot more wealthy people going off the deepend in the last 10 years. Its kind of interesting hes gone right wing when the right never would have supported his endevours until this whole twitter thing.


Dont you see that he trolls the leftist/woke people? Who try to preserve their little comfy place, ie Twitter.



And if hes already turned around the profits after TWO weeks then its totally insane:




Doesnt this seem really unlikely with advertisers pulling out and the blue check thing being halted?




How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany12076 Posts
November 23 2022 15:41 GMT
#2383
I am pretty sure that one of the core rules of discussion on this forum is that posting a youtube video and demanding people watch it is not a valid argument. I will not watch random videos you think are important.

And if the Thumbnail has Elon Musk doing a winner pose, Trump looking smug, "MASSIVE WIN" and a bunch of other stupid imagery on it, then yes, i can comment on just how stupid that looks from the thumbnail alone. And if you think that that is a reasonable video that validly explains your position and argument, that alone showcases where you are coming from with much more clarity than any video could. It is also a very clear indication that you are indeed pretty rightwing, because no one who is not crazy rightwing thinks that Trump looking smug is a good person to use in your argument for anything . Trump basically has negative credibility in all but the most crazy rightwing circles.
Mikau313
Profile Joined January 2021
Netherlands230 Posts
November 23 2022 16:02 GMT
#2384
On November 24 2022 00:36 Sadist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2022 23:52 MeSaber wrote:
On November 23 2022 22:37 Sermokala wrote:
Tesla does not sell millions of vehicles they sell hundreds of thousands of vehicles a year and have had to recall millions this year.


You know that those are over-the-air updates right? No real "recall". https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-recalls-nearly-11-million-us-vehicles-update-window-reversing-software-2022-09-22/

""The terminology is outdated & inaccurate. This is a tiny over-the-air software update. To the best of our knowledge, there have been no injuries," he said."


@Kwark - Yes pls do.

On November 23 2022 23:00 Sadist wrote:
All that said,he still appears to be an asshole/troll. Maybe he has been rich and famous for so long that it finally went to his head. It definately seems like we are seeing a lot more wealthy people going off the deepend in the last 10 years. Its kind of interesting hes gone right wing when the right never would have supported his endevours until this whole twitter thing.


Dont you see that he trolls the leftist/woke people? Who try to preserve their little comfy place, ie Twitter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZpebaZ8qxc

And if hes already turned around the profits after TWO weeks then its totally insane:

https://youtu.be/Z6Ed-f69IgM?t=237



Doesnt this seem really unlikely with advertisers pulling out and the blue check thing being halted?



If you fire most of your staff ofcourse you're going to profit in the short term. It'll take a while before advertisers start really dropping out and for the cracks in the code to become apparent.

Short term profit, long term implosion of the platform seems to be the most likely outcome here.
MeSaber
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden1235 Posts
November 23 2022 16:04 GMT
#2385
On November 24 2022 00:41 Simberto wrote:
I am pretty sure that one of the core rules of discussion on this forum is that posting a youtube video and demanding people watch it is not a valid argument. I will not watch random videos you think are important.

And if the Thumbnail has Elon Musk doing a winner pose, Trump looking smug, "MASSIVE WIN" and a bunch of other stupid imagery on it, then yes, i can comment on just how stupid that looks from the thumbnail alone. And if you think that that is a reasonable video that validly explains your position and argument, that alone showcases where you are coming from with much more clarity than any video could. It is also a very clear indication that you are indeed pretty rightwing, because no one who is not crazy rightwing thinks that Trump looking smug is a good person to use in your argument for anything . Trump basically has negative credibility in all but the most crazy rightwing circles.


The thumbnails could just as well been black and you would have commented anyway Lul. You just have nothing fancy to say and thats a shame.

Keep being "that guy" it suits you. If you wanna be blind to whats going on thats your choice.

Oh and i never told you to watch any vids, but you assume so, clear difference.
-.-
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany12076 Posts
November 23 2022 16:10 GMT
#2386
On November 24 2022 01:04 MeSaber wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2022 00:41 Simberto wrote:
I am pretty sure that one of the core rules of discussion on this forum is that posting a youtube video and demanding people watch it is not a valid argument. I will not watch random videos you think are important.

And if the Thumbnail has Elon Musk doing a winner pose, Trump looking smug, "MASSIVE WIN" and a bunch of other stupid imagery on it, then yes, i can comment on just how stupid that looks from the thumbnail alone. And if you think that that is a reasonable video that validly explains your position and argument, that alone showcases where you are coming from with much more clarity than any video could. It is also a very clear indication that you are indeed pretty rightwing, because no one who is not crazy rightwing thinks that Trump looking smug is a good person to use in your argument for anything . Trump basically has negative credibility in all but the most crazy rightwing circles.


The thumbnails could just as well been black and you would have commented anyway Lul. You just have nothing fancy to say and thats a shame.

Keep being "that guy" it suits you. If you wanna be blind to whats going on thats your choice.

Oh and i never told you to watch any vids, but you assume so, clear difference.


Yeah, i don't think i am interested in talking to you anymore. This is not fruitful.
Mikau313
Profile Joined January 2021
Netherlands230 Posts
November 23 2022 16:18 GMT
#2387
On November 24 2022 01:04 MeSaber wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2022 00:41 Simberto wrote:
I am pretty sure that one of the core rules of discussion on this forum is that posting a youtube video and demanding people watch it is not a valid argument. I will not watch random videos you think are important.

And if the Thumbnail has Elon Musk doing a winner pose, Trump looking smug, "MASSIVE WIN" and a bunch of other stupid imagery on it, then yes, i can comment on just how stupid that looks from the thumbnail alone. And if you think that that is a reasonable video that validly explains your position and argument, that alone showcases where you are coming from with much more clarity than any video could. It is also a very clear indication that you are indeed pretty rightwing, because no one who is not crazy rightwing thinks that Trump looking smug is a good person to use in your argument for anything . Trump basically has negative credibility in all but the most crazy rightwing circles.


The thumbnails could just as well been black and you would have commented anyway Lul. You just have nothing fancy to say and thats a shame.

Keep being "that guy" it suits you. If you wanna be blind to whats going on thats your choice.

Oh and i never told you to watch any vids, but you assume so, clear difference.


If you post videos in lieu of making actual points, then yes you are.

And as Simberto pointed out, that's not how it works here. If you're going to post videos you add a summary what they're saying and why it's relevant.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44439 Posts
November 23 2022 16:21 GMT
#2388
On November 23 2022 23:52 MeSaber wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2022 22:37 Sermokala wrote:
Tesla does not sell millions of vehicles they sell hundreds of thousands of vehicles a year and have had to recall millions this year.


You know that those are over-the-air updates right? No real "recall". https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-recalls-nearly-11-million-us-vehicles-update-window-reversing-software-2022-09-22/

""The terminology is outdated & inaccurate. This is a tiny over-the-air software update. To the best of our knowledge, there have been no injuries," he said."


@Kwark - Yes pls do.

Show nested quote +
On November 23 2022 23:00 Sadist wrote:
All that said,he still appears to be an asshole/troll. Maybe he has been rich and famous for so long that it finally went to his head. It definately seems like we are seeing a lot more wealthy people going off the deepend in the last 10 years. Its kind of interesting hes gone right wing when the right never would have supported his endevours until this whole twitter thing.


Dont you see that he trolls the leftist/woke people? Who try to preserve their little comfy place, ie Twitter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZpebaZ8qxc

And if hes already turned around the profits after TWO weeks then its totally insane:

https://youtu.be/Z6Ed-f69IgM?t=237

You think paying most of his workforce 3 months severance up front creates profits in the week you do it?
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Manit0u
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
Poland17871 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-11-23 20:03:24
November 23 2022 18:57 GMT
#2389
On November 24 2022 01:21 KwarK wrote:
You think paying most of his workforce 3 months severance up front creates profits in the week you do it?


On top of all that the video is really just speculation based on incomplete analysis of previous year's performance and future projections by Twitter itself (so potentially biased).

Right now all those "massive gains" are entirely in the realm of imagination.

Considering that Twitter has a yearly revenue of $5 billion, operating expenses of $6 billion and now an additional $1 billion of debt on top of that it'll be hard to get it on track. Losing $10 million/day as it stands and has been in the black only twice in the past 10 years (covid helped with that but this surge is over now and a lot of companies are now reporting massive losses in revenue going down from the lockdown high).

Speaking of which, something must've gone terribly wrong at Twitter between 2019 and 2020... $2.9b revenue -> $1.4b profit in 2019. $3.2b revenue -> $1.1b loss in 2020. This would imply that operating expenses went from $1.5b to $4.3b within a year.

Edit:

There's also that...



After some abrupt changes introduced by Musk at Twitter the company may be facing fines reaching billions of dollars for violating agreements with the FTC.
Time is precious. Waste it wisely.
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
November 23 2022 20:09 GMT
#2390
On November 24 2022 01:10 Simberto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2022 01:04 MeSaber wrote:
On November 24 2022 00:41 Simberto wrote:
I am pretty sure that one of the core rules of discussion on this forum is that posting a youtube video and demanding people watch it is not a valid argument. I will not watch random videos you think are important.

And if the Thumbnail has Elon Musk doing a winner pose, Trump looking smug, "MASSIVE WIN" and a bunch of other stupid imagery on it, then yes, i can comment on just how stupid that looks from the thumbnail alone. And if you think that that is a reasonable video that validly explains your position and argument, that alone showcases where you are coming from with much more clarity than any video could. It is also a very clear indication that you are indeed pretty rightwing, because no one who is not crazy rightwing thinks that Trump looking smug is a good person to use in your argument for anything . Trump basically has negative credibility in all but the most crazy rightwing circles.


The thumbnails could just as well been black and you would have commented anyway Lul. You just have nothing fancy to say and thats a shame.

Keep being "that guy" it suits you. If you wanna be blind to whats going on thats your choice.

Oh and i never told you to watch any vids, but you assume so, clear difference.


Yeah, i don't think i am interested in talking to you anymore. This is not fruitful.


"I can tell everything I need to know about you from the thumbnail of a video that I'm not even going to watch." Also "This is not fruitful."

Yeah, no kidding. Ranting about the thumbnail of a video that you won't even watch and labeling the guy a right-winger doesn't really show any interest in a conversation in the first place.

On November 24 2022 01:18 Mikau313 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2022 01:04 MeSaber wrote:
On November 24 2022 00:41 Simberto wrote:
I am pretty sure that one of the core rules of discussion on this forum is that posting a youtube video and demanding people watch it is not a valid argument. I will not watch random videos you think are important.

And if the Thumbnail has Elon Musk doing a winner pose, Trump looking smug, "MASSIVE WIN" and a bunch of other stupid imagery on it, then yes, i can comment on just how stupid that looks from the thumbnail alone. And if you think that that is a reasonable video that validly explains your position and argument, that alone showcases where you are coming from with much more clarity than any video could. It is also a very clear indication that you are indeed pretty rightwing, because no one who is not crazy rightwing thinks that Trump looking smug is a good person to use in your argument for anything . Trump basically has negative credibility in all but the most crazy rightwing circles.


The thumbnails could just as well been black and you would have commented anyway Lul. You just have nothing fancy to say and thats a shame.

Keep being "that guy" it suits you. If you wanna be blind to whats going on thats your choice.

Oh and i never told you to watch any vids, but you assume so, clear difference.


If you post videos in lieu of making actual points, then yes you are.

And as Simberto pointed out, that's not how it works here. If you're going to post videos you add a summary what they're saying and why it's relevant.


This whole conversation started from someone posting a video of an Elon Musk hit-piece video without any context. But literally nobody took issue with that so-called rule violation. How surprising.

KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44439 Posts
November 23 2022 20:29 GMT
#2391
On November 24 2022 05:09 BlackJack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2022 01:10 Simberto wrote:
On November 24 2022 01:04 MeSaber wrote:
On November 24 2022 00:41 Simberto wrote:
I am pretty sure that one of the core rules of discussion on this forum is that posting a youtube video and demanding people watch it is not a valid argument. I will not watch random videos you think are important.

And if the Thumbnail has Elon Musk doing a winner pose, Trump looking smug, "MASSIVE WIN" and a bunch of other stupid imagery on it, then yes, i can comment on just how stupid that looks from the thumbnail alone. And if you think that that is a reasonable video that validly explains your position and argument, that alone showcases where you are coming from with much more clarity than any video could. It is also a very clear indication that you are indeed pretty rightwing, because no one who is not crazy rightwing thinks that Trump looking smug is a good person to use in your argument for anything . Trump basically has negative credibility in all but the most crazy rightwing circles.


The thumbnails could just as well been black and you would have commented anyway Lul. You just have nothing fancy to say and thats a shame.

Keep being "that guy" it suits you. If you wanna be blind to whats going on thats your choice.

Oh and i never told you to watch any vids, but you assume so, clear difference.


Yeah, i don't think i am interested in talking to you anymore. This is not fruitful.


"I can tell everything I need to know about you from the thumbnail of a video that I'm not even going to watch." Also "This is not fruitful."

Yeah, no kidding. Ranting about the thumbnail of a video that you won't even watch and labeling the guy a right-winger doesn't really show any interest in a conversation in the first place.

Show nested quote +
On November 24 2022 01:18 Mikau313 wrote:
On November 24 2022 01:04 MeSaber wrote:
On November 24 2022 00:41 Simberto wrote:
I am pretty sure that one of the core rules of discussion on this forum is that posting a youtube video and demanding people watch it is not a valid argument. I will not watch random videos you think are important.

And if the Thumbnail has Elon Musk doing a winner pose, Trump looking smug, "MASSIVE WIN" and a bunch of other stupid imagery on it, then yes, i can comment on just how stupid that looks from the thumbnail alone. And if you think that that is a reasonable video that validly explains your position and argument, that alone showcases where you are coming from with much more clarity than any video could. It is also a very clear indication that you are indeed pretty rightwing, because no one who is not crazy rightwing thinks that Trump looking smug is a good person to use in your argument for anything . Trump basically has negative credibility in all but the most crazy rightwing circles.


The thumbnails could just as well been black and you would have commented anyway Lul. You just have nothing fancy to say and thats a shame.

Keep being "that guy" it suits you. If you wanna be blind to whats going on thats your choice.

Oh and i never told you to watch any vids, but you assume so, clear difference.


If you post videos in lieu of making actual points, then yes you are.

And as Simberto pointed out, that's not how it works here. If you're going to post videos you add a summary what they're saying and why it's relevant.


This whole conversation started from someone posting a video of an Elon Musk hit-piece video without any context. But literally nobody took issue with that so-called rule violation. How surprising.


I doubt anyone watched that YouTube video either.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
November 23 2022 20:30 GMT
#2392
On November 24 2022 05:29 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2022 05:09 BlackJack wrote:
On November 24 2022 01:10 Simberto wrote:
On November 24 2022 01:04 MeSaber wrote:
On November 24 2022 00:41 Simberto wrote:
I am pretty sure that one of the core rules of discussion on this forum is that posting a youtube video and demanding people watch it is not a valid argument. I will not watch random videos you think are important.

And if the Thumbnail has Elon Musk doing a winner pose, Trump looking smug, "MASSIVE WIN" and a bunch of other stupid imagery on it, then yes, i can comment on just how stupid that looks from the thumbnail alone. And if you think that that is a reasonable video that validly explains your position and argument, that alone showcases where you are coming from with much more clarity than any video could. It is also a very clear indication that you are indeed pretty rightwing, because no one who is not crazy rightwing thinks that Trump looking smug is a good person to use in your argument for anything . Trump basically has negative credibility in all but the most crazy rightwing circles.


The thumbnails could just as well been black and you would have commented anyway Lul. You just have nothing fancy to say and thats a shame.

Keep being "that guy" it suits you. If you wanna be blind to whats going on thats your choice.

Oh and i never told you to watch any vids, but you assume so, clear difference.


Yeah, i don't think i am interested in talking to you anymore. This is not fruitful.


"I can tell everything I need to know about you from the thumbnail of a video that I'm not even going to watch." Also "This is not fruitful."

Yeah, no kidding. Ranting about the thumbnail of a video that you won't even watch and labeling the guy a right-winger doesn't really show any interest in a conversation in the first place.

On November 24 2022 01:18 Mikau313 wrote:
On November 24 2022 01:04 MeSaber wrote:
On November 24 2022 00:41 Simberto wrote:
I am pretty sure that one of the core rules of discussion on this forum is that posting a youtube video and demanding people watch it is not a valid argument. I will not watch random videos you think are important.

And if the Thumbnail has Elon Musk doing a winner pose, Trump looking smug, "MASSIVE WIN" and a bunch of other stupid imagery on it, then yes, i can comment on just how stupid that looks from the thumbnail alone. And if you think that that is a reasonable video that validly explains your position and argument, that alone showcases where you are coming from with much more clarity than any video could. It is also a very clear indication that you are indeed pretty rightwing, because no one who is not crazy rightwing thinks that Trump looking smug is a good person to use in your argument for anything . Trump basically has negative credibility in all but the most crazy rightwing circles.


The thumbnails could just as well been black and you would have commented anyway Lul. You just have nothing fancy to say and thats a shame.

Keep being "that guy" it suits you. If you wanna be blind to whats going on thats your choice.

Oh and i never told you to watch any vids, but you assume so, clear difference.


If you post videos in lieu of making actual points, then yes you are.

And as Simberto pointed out, that's not how it works here. If you're going to post videos you add a summary what they're saying and why it's relevant.


This whole conversation started from someone posting a video of an Elon Musk hit-piece video without any context. But literally nobody took issue with that so-called rule violation. How surprising.


I doubt anyone watched that YouTube video either.


I watched most of it.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44439 Posts
November 23 2022 20:44 GMT
#2393
On November 24 2022 05:30 BlackJack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2022 05:29 KwarK wrote:
On November 24 2022 05:09 BlackJack wrote:
On November 24 2022 01:10 Simberto wrote:
On November 24 2022 01:04 MeSaber wrote:
On November 24 2022 00:41 Simberto wrote:
I am pretty sure that one of the core rules of discussion on this forum is that posting a youtube video and demanding people watch it is not a valid argument. I will not watch random videos you think are important.

And if the Thumbnail has Elon Musk doing a winner pose, Trump looking smug, "MASSIVE WIN" and a bunch of other stupid imagery on it, then yes, i can comment on just how stupid that looks from the thumbnail alone. And if you think that that is a reasonable video that validly explains your position and argument, that alone showcases where you are coming from with much more clarity than any video could. It is also a very clear indication that you are indeed pretty rightwing, because no one who is not crazy rightwing thinks that Trump looking smug is a good person to use in your argument for anything . Trump basically has negative credibility in all but the most crazy rightwing circles.


The thumbnails could just as well been black and you would have commented anyway Lul. You just have nothing fancy to say and thats a shame.

Keep being "that guy" it suits you. If you wanna be blind to whats going on thats your choice.

Oh and i never told you to watch any vids, but you assume so, clear difference.


Yeah, i don't think i am interested in talking to you anymore. This is not fruitful.


"I can tell everything I need to know about you from the thumbnail of a video that I'm not even going to watch." Also "This is not fruitful."

Yeah, no kidding. Ranting about the thumbnail of a video that you won't even watch and labeling the guy a right-winger doesn't really show any interest in a conversation in the first place.

On November 24 2022 01:18 Mikau313 wrote:
On November 24 2022 01:04 MeSaber wrote:
On November 24 2022 00:41 Simberto wrote:
I am pretty sure that one of the core rules of discussion on this forum is that posting a youtube video and demanding people watch it is not a valid argument. I will not watch random videos you think are important.

And if the Thumbnail has Elon Musk doing a winner pose, Trump looking smug, "MASSIVE WIN" and a bunch of other stupid imagery on it, then yes, i can comment on just how stupid that looks from the thumbnail alone. And if you think that that is a reasonable video that validly explains your position and argument, that alone showcases where you are coming from with much more clarity than any video could. It is also a very clear indication that you are indeed pretty rightwing, because no one who is not crazy rightwing thinks that Trump looking smug is a good person to use in your argument for anything . Trump basically has negative credibility in all but the most crazy rightwing circles.


The thumbnails could just as well been black and you would have commented anyway Lul. You just have nothing fancy to say and thats a shame.

Keep being "that guy" it suits you. If you wanna be blind to whats going on thats your choice.

Oh and i never told you to watch any vids, but you assume so, clear difference.


If you post videos in lieu of making actual points, then yes you are.

And as Simberto pointed out, that's not how it works here. If you're going to post videos you add a summary what they're saying and why it's relevant.


This whole conversation started from someone posting a video of an Elon Musk hit-piece video without any context. But literally nobody took issue with that so-called rule violation. How surprising.


I doubt anyone watched that YouTube video either.


I watched most of it.

Why?
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
November 23 2022 21:18 GMT
#2394
On November 24 2022 05:44 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2022 05:30 BlackJack wrote:
On November 24 2022 05:29 KwarK wrote:
On November 24 2022 05:09 BlackJack wrote:
On November 24 2022 01:10 Simberto wrote:
On November 24 2022 01:04 MeSaber wrote:
On November 24 2022 00:41 Simberto wrote:
I am pretty sure that one of the core rules of discussion on this forum is that posting a youtube video and demanding people watch it is not a valid argument. I will not watch random videos you think are important.

And if the Thumbnail has Elon Musk doing a winner pose, Trump looking smug, "MASSIVE WIN" and a bunch of other stupid imagery on it, then yes, i can comment on just how stupid that looks from the thumbnail alone. And if you think that that is a reasonable video that validly explains your position and argument, that alone showcases where you are coming from with much more clarity than any video could. It is also a very clear indication that you are indeed pretty rightwing, because no one who is not crazy rightwing thinks that Trump looking smug is a good person to use in your argument for anything . Trump basically has negative credibility in all but the most crazy rightwing circles.


The thumbnails could just as well been black and you would have commented anyway Lul. You just have nothing fancy to say and thats a shame.

Keep being "that guy" it suits you. If you wanna be blind to whats going on thats your choice.

Oh and i never told you to watch any vids, but you assume so, clear difference.


Yeah, i don't think i am interested in talking to you anymore. This is not fruitful.


"I can tell everything I need to know about you from the thumbnail of a video that I'm not even going to watch." Also "This is not fruitful."

Yeah, no kidding. Ranting about the thumbnail of a video that you won't even watch and labeling the guy a right-winger doesn't really show any interest in a conversation in the first place.

On November 24 2022 01:18 Mikau313 wrote:
On November 24 2022 01:04 MeSaber wrote:
On November 24 2022 00:41 Simberto wrote:
I am pretty sure that one of the core rules of discussion on this forum is that posting a youtube video and demanding people watch it is not a valid argument. I will not watch random videos you think are important.

And if the Thumbnail has Elon Musk doing a winner pose, Trump looking smug, "MASSIVE WIN" and a bunch of other stupid imagery on it, then yes, i can comment on just how stupid that looks from the thumbnail alone. And if you think that that is a reasonable video that validly explains your position and argument, that alone showcases where you are coming from with much more clarity than any video could. It is also a very clear indication that you are indeed pretty rightwing, because no one who is not crazy rightwing thinks that Trump looking smug is a good person to use in your argument for anything . Trump basically has negative credibility in all but the most crazy rightwing circles.


The thumbnails could just as well been black and you would have commented anyway Lul. You just have nothing fancy to say and thats a shame.

Keep being "that guy" it suits you. If you wanna be blind to whats going on thats your choice.

Oh and i never told you to watch any vids, but you assume so, clear difference.


If you post videos in lieu of making actual points, then yes you are.

And as Simberto pointed out, that's not how it works here. If you're going to post videos you add a summary what they're saying and why it's relevant.


This whole conversation started from someone posting a video of an Elon Musk hit-piece video without any context. But literally nobody took issue with that so-called rule violation. How surprising.


I doubt anyone watched that YouTube video either.


I watched most of it.

Why?


I prefer to watch a video first and then determine my feelings on it instead of determining my feelings on it by looking at the thumbnail.

Also if Manit0u is right that Musk is an Elizabeth Holmes type fraudster it's potentially the biggest financial fraud story of our lifetimes. It would make Madoff and Theranos and FTX look like small potatoes.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44439 Posts
Last Edited: 2022-11-24 02:33:09
November 24 2022 00:05 GMT
#2395
On November 24 2022 06:18 BlackJack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2022 05:44 KwarK wrote:
On November 24 2022 05:30 BlackJack wrote:
On November 24 2022 05:29 KwarK wrote:
On November 24 2022 05:09 BlackJack wrote:
On November 24 2022 01:10 Simberto wrote:
On November 24 2022 01:04 MeSaber wrote:
On November 24 2022 00:41 Simberto wrote:
I am pretty sure that one of the core rules of discussion on this forum is that posting a youtube video and demanding people watch it is not a valid argument. I will not watch random videos you think are important.

And if the Thumbnail has Elon Musk doing a winner pose, Trump looking smug, "MASSIVE WIN" and a bunch of other stupid imagery on it, then yes, i can comment on just how stupid that looks from the thumbnail alone. And if you think that that is a reasonable video that validly explains your position and argument, that alone showcases where you are coming from with much more clarity than any video could. It is also a very clear indication that you are indeed pretty rightwing, because no one who is not crazy rightwing thinks that Trump looking smug is a good person to use in your argument for anything . Trump basically has negative credibility in all but the most crazy rightwing circles.


The thumbnails could just as well been black and you would have commented anyway Lul. You just have nothing fancy to say and thats a shame.

Keep being "that guy" it suits you. If you wanna be blind to whats going on thats your choice.

Oh and i never told you to watch any vids, but you assume so, clear difference.


Yeah, i don't think i am interested in talking to you anymore. This is not fruitful.


"I can tell everything I need to know about you from the thumbnail of a video that I'm not even going to watch." Also "This is not fruitful."

Yeah, no kidding. Ranting about the thumbnail of a video that you won't even watch and labeling the guy a right-winger doesn't really show any interest in a conversation in the first place.

On November 24 2022 01:18 Mikau313 wrote:
On November 24 2022 01:04 MeSaber wrote:
On November 24 2022 00:41 Simberto wrote:
I am pretty sure that one of the core rules of discussion on this forum is that posting a youtube video and demanding people watch it is not a valid argument. I will not watch random videos you think are important.

And if the Thumbnail has Elon Musk doing a winner pose, Trump looking smug, "MASSIVE WIN" and a bunch of other stupid imagery on it, then yes, i can comment on just how stupid that looks from the thumbnail alone. And if you think that that is a reasonable video that validly explains your position and argument, that alone showcases where you are coming from with much more clarity than any video could. It is also a very clear indication that you are indeed pretty rightwing, because no one who is not crazy rightwing thinks that Trump looking smug is a good person to use in your argument for anything . Trump basically has negative credibility in all but the most crazy rightwing circles.


The thumbnails could just as well been black and you would have commented anyway Lul. You just have nothing fancy to say and thats a shame.

Keep being "that guy" it suits you. If you wanna be blind to whats going on thats your choice.

Oh and i never told you to watch any vids, but you assume so, clear difference.


If you post videos in lieu of making actual points, then yes you are.

And as Simberto pointed out, that's not how it works here. If you're going to post videos you add a summary what they're saying and why it's relevant.


This whole conversation started from someone posting a video of an Elon Musk hit-piece video without any context. But literally nobody took issue with that so-called rule violation. How surprising.


I doubt anyone watched that YouTube video either.


I watched most of it.

Why?


I prefer to watch a video first and then determine my feelings on it instead of determining my feelings on it by looking at the thumbnail.

Also if Manit0u is right that Musk is an Elizabeth Holmes type fraudster it's potentially the biggest financial fraud story of our lifetimes. It would make Madoff and Theranos and FTX look like small potatoes.

YouTube videos are like people shouting their thoughts at strangers in the town square, you can basically tell the quality of their thoughts from their presentation. Doesn’t matter whether or not you agree with the basic premise, you should no more listen to an idiot shouting things you agree with than one you disagree with.

If Manit0u was right the compelling evidence that he was right wouldn’t be in a YouTube video.
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Turbovolver
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia2454 Posts
November 24 2022 01:03 GMT
#2396
Did bro seriously link TheQuartering as evidence rofl
The original Bogus fan.
Mikau313
Profile Joined January 2021
Netherlands230 Posts
November 24 2022 07:50 GMT
#2397
On November 24 2022 05:09 BlackJack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2022 01:10 Simberto wrote:
On November 24 2022 01:04 MeSaber wrote:
On November 24 2022 00:41 Simberto wrote:
I am pretty sure that one of the core rules of discussion on this forum is that posting a youtube video and demanding people watch it is not a valid argument. I will not watch random videos you think are important.

And if the Thumbnail has Elon Musk doing a winner pose, Trump looking smug, "MASSIVE WIN" and a bunch of other stupid imagery on it, then yes, i can comment on just how stupid that looks from the thumbnail alone. And if you think that that is a reasonable video that validly explains your position and argument, that alone showcases where you are coming from with much more clarity than any video could. It is also a very clear indication that you are indeed pretty rightwing, because no one who is not crazy rightwing thinks that Trump looking smug is a good person to use in your argument for anything . Trump basically has negative credibility in all but the most crazy rightwing circles.


The thumbnails could just as well been black and you would have commented anyway Lul. You just have nothing fancy to say and thats a shame.

Keep being "that guy" it suits you. If you wanna be blind to whats going on thats your choice.

Oh and i never told you to watch any vids, but you assume so, clear difference.


Yeah, i don't think i am interested in talking to you anymore. This is not fruitful.


"I can tell everything I need to know about you from the thumbnail of a video that I'm not even going to watch." Also "This is not fruitful."

Yeah, no kidding. Ranting about the thumbnail of a video that you won't even watch and labeling the guy a right-winger doesn't really show any interest in a conversation in the first place.

Show nested quote +
On November 24 2022 01:18 Mikau313 wrote:
On November 24 2022 01:04 MeSaber wrote:
On November 24 2022 00:41 Simberto wrote:
I am pretty sure that one of the core rules of discussion on this forum is that posting a youtube video and demanding people watch it is not a valid argument. I will not watch random videos you think are important.

And if the Thumbnail has Elon Musk doing a winner pose, Trump looking smug, "MASSIVE WIN" and a bunch of other stupid imagery on it, then yes, i can comment on just how stupid that looks from the thumbnail alone. And if you think that that is a reasonable video that validly explains your position and argument, that alone showcases where you are coming from with much more clarity than any video could. It is also a very clear indication that you are indeed pretty rightwing, because no one who is not crazy rightwing thinks that Trump looking smug is a good person to use in your argument for anything . Trump basically has negative credibility in all but the most crazy rightwing circles.


The thumbnails could just as well been black and you would have commented anyway Lul. You just have nothing fancy to say and thats a shame.

Keep being "that guy" it suits you. If you wanna be blind to whats going on thats your choice.

Oh and i never told you to watch any vids, but you assume so, clear difference.


If you post videos in lieu of making actual points, then yes you are.

And as Simberto pointed out, that's not how it works here. If you're going to post videos you add a summary what they're saying and why it's relevant.


This whole conversation started from someone posting a video of an Elon Musk hit-piece video without any context. But literally nobody took issue with that so-called rule violation. How surprising.


I see your schtick of ignoring context and misrepresenting what's going on isn't restricted to just the Covid thread.

There is a massive difference between 'just' posting a video, that isn't being used as some kind of support for an argument one way or another, and what MeSaber did. If you post videos because they make your argument for you, you summarize the important points of said video and/or why it's relevant. If you're just posting a video it would still be nice to summarize ofcourse, but it's far less necessary because nobody has to watch the video to keep up with the conversation that's being had.


BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
November 24 2022 10:28 GMT
#2398
On November 24 2022 16:50 Mikau313 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2022 05:09 BlackJack wrote:
On November 24 2022 01:10 Simberto wrote:
On November 24 2022 01:04 MeSaber wrote:
On November 24 2022 00:41 Simberto wrote:
I am pretty sure that one of the core rules of discussion on this forum is that posting a youtube video and demanding people watch it is not a valid argument. I will not watch random videos you think are important.

And if the Thumbnail has Elon Musk doing a winner pose, Trump looking smug, "MASSIVE WIN" and a bunch of other stupid imagery on it, then yes, i can comment on just how stupid that looks from the thumbnail alone. And if you think that that is a reasonable video that validly explains your position and argument, that alone showcases where you are coming from with much more clarity than any video could. It is also a very clear indication that you are indeed pretty rightwing, because no one who is not crazy rightwing thinks that Trump looking smug is a good person to use in your argument for anything . Trump basically has negative credibility in all but the most crazy rightwing circles.


The thumbnails could just as well been black and you would have commented anyway Lul. You just have nothing fancy to say and thats a shame.

Keep being "that guy" it suits you. If you wanna be blind to whats going on thats your choice.

Oh and i never told you to watch any vids, but you assume so, clear difference.


Yeah, i don't think i am interested in talking to you anymore. This is not fruitful.


"I can tell everything I need to know about you from the thumbnail of a video that I'm not even going to watch." Also "This is not fruitful."

Yeah, no kidding. Ranting about the thumbnail of a video that you won't even watch and labeling the guy a right-winger doesn't really show any interest in a conversation in the first place.

On November 24 2022 01:18 Mikau313 wrote:
On November 24 2022 01:04 MeSaber wrote:
On November 24 2022 00:41 Simberto wrote:
I am pretty sure that one of the core rules of discussion on this forum is that posting a youtube video and demanding people watch it is not a valid argument. I will not watch random videos you think are important.

And if the Thumbnail has Elon Musk doing a winner pose, Trump looking smug, "MASSIVE WIN" and a bunch of other stupid imagery on it, then yes, i can comment on just how stupid that looks from the thumbnail alone. And if you think that that is a reasonable video that validly explains your position and argument, that alone showcases where you are coming from with much more clarity than any video could. It is also a very clear indication that you are indeed pretty rightwing, because no one who is not crazy rightwing thinks that Trump looking smug is a good person to use in your argument for anything . Trump basically has negative credibility in all but the most crazy rightwing circles.


The thumbnails could just as well been black and you would have commented anyway Lul. You just have nothing fancy to say and thats a shame.

Keep being "that guy" it suits you. If you wanna be blind to whats going on thats your choice.

Oh and i never told you to watch any vids, but you assume so, clear difference.


If you post videos in lieu of making actual points, then yes you are.

And as Simberto pointed out, that's not how it works here. If you're going to post videos you add a summary what they're saying and why it's relevant.


This whole conversation started from someone posting a video of an Elon Musk hit-piece video without any context. But literally nobody took issue with that so-called rule violation. How surprising.


I see your schtick of ignoring context and misrepresenting what's going on isn't restricted to just the Covid thread.

There is a massive difference between 'just' posting a video, that isn't being used as some kind of support for an argument one way or another, and what MeSaber did. If you post videos because they make your argument for you, you summarize the important points of said video and/or why it's relevant. If you're just posting a video it would still be nice to summarize ofcourse, but it's far less necessary because nobody has to watch the video to keep up with the conversation that's being had.




Manit0u was not 'just' posting a video that wasn't used as some some kind of support for an argument. He was clearing making the argument that Elon Musk is some kind of charlatan and posted the video as his sole point. How is that not obvious for you?

It's universally understood that when you post a video or source you summarize what it contains. That's not something that applies to videos posted mid-conversation and not to videos that begin conversations. That's something you just made up.
Slydie
Profile Joined August 2013
2023 Posts
November 24 2022 11:31 GMT
#2399
On November 24 2022 19:28 BlackJack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2022 16:50 Mikau313 wrote:
On November 24 2022 05:09 BlackJack wrote:
On November 24 2022 01:10 Simberto wrote:
On November 24 2022 01:04 MeSaber wrote:
On November 24 2022 00:41 Simberto wrote:
I am pretty sure that one of the core rules of discussion on this forum is that posting a youtube video and demanding people watch it is not a valid argument. I will not watch random videos you think are important.

And if the Thumbnail has Elon Musk doing a winner pose, Trump looking smug, "MASSIVE WIN" and a bunch of other stupid imagery on it, then yes, i can comment on just how stupid that looks from the thumbnail alone. And if you think that that is a reasonable video that validly explains your position and argument, that alone showcases where you are coming from with much more clarity than any video could. It is also a very clear indication that you are indeed pretty rightwing, because no one who is not crazy rightwing thinks that Trump looking smug is a good person to use in your argument for anything . Trump basically has negative credibility in all but the most crazy rightwing circles.


The thumbnails could just as well been black and you would have commented anyway Lul. You just have nothing fancy to say and thats a shame.

Keep being "that guy" it suits you. If you wanna be blind to whats going on thats your choice.

Oh and i never told you to watch any vids, but you assume so, clear difference.


Yeah, i don't think i am interested in talking to you anymore. This is not fruitful.


"I can tell everything I need to know about you from the thumbnail of a video that I'm not even going to watch." Also "This is not fruitful."

Yeah, no kidding. Ranting about the thumbnail of a video that you won't even watch and labeling the guy a right-winger doesn't really show any interest in a conversation in the first place.

On November 24 2022 01:18 Mikau313 wrote:
On November 24 2022 01:04 MeSaber wrote:
On November 24 2022 00:41 Simberto wrote:
I am pretty sure that one of the core rules of discussion on this forum is that posting a youtube video and demanding people watch it is not a valid argument. I will not watch random videos you think are important.

And if the Thumbnail has Elon Musk doing a winner pose, Trump looking smug, "MASSIVE WIN" and a bunch of other stupid imagery on it, then yes, i can comment on just how stupid that looks from the thumbnail alone. And if you think that that is a reasonable video that validly explains your position and argument, that alone showcases where you are coming from with much more clarity than any video could. It is also a very clear indication that you are indeed pretty rightwing, because no one who is not crazy rightwing thinks that Trump looking smug is a good person to use in your argument for anything . Trump basically has negative credibility in all but the most crazy rightwing circles.


The thumbnails could just as well been black and you would have commented anyway Lul. You just have nothing fancy to say and thats a shame.

Keep being "that guy" it suits you. If you wanna be blind to whats going on thats your choice.

Oh and i never told you to watch any vids, but you assume so, clear difference.


If you post videos in lieu of making actual points, then yes you are.

And as Simberto pointed out, that's not how it works here. If you're going to post videos you add a summary what they're saying and why it's relevant.


This whole conversation started from someone posting a video of an Elon Musk hit-piece video without any context. But literally nobody took issue with that so-called rule violation. How surprising.


I see your schtick of ignoring context and misrepresenting what's going on isn't restricted to just the Covid thread.

There is a massive difference between 'just' posting a video, that isn't being used as some kind of support for an argument one way or another, and what MeSaber did. If you post videos because they make your argument for you, you summarize the important points of said video and/or why it's relevant. If you're just posting a video it would still be nice to summarize ofcourse, but it's far less necessary because nobody has to watch the video to keep up with the conversation that's being had.




Manit0u was not 'just' posting a video that wasn't used as some some kind of support for an argument. He was clearing making the argument that Elon Musk is some kind of charlatan and posted the video as his sole point. How is that not obvious for you?

It's universally understood that when you post a video or source you summarize what it contains. That's not something that applies to videos posted mid-conversation and not to videos that begin conversations. That's something you just made up.


I watched the "Cult of Musk" video too, and yes, that one had both a strange thumbnail, the post lacked a summary and was indeed a "hit-piece". It seemed pretty well researched, though, so a summary would have been nice if the poster expected it to be a key part of future conversation.

I don't think Musk would have survived this long in the spotlight if he were a SBF type of fraudster, but that he hypes up whatever can make him money regardless of substance and cares only about himself should be obvious too.

I watched the Law video too. Musk seems to have gotten in way above his head...
Buff the siegetank
schaf
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1326 Posts
November 24 2022 11:39 GMT
#2400
On November 24 2022 10:03 Turbovolver wrote:
Did bro seriously link TheQuartering as evidence rofl


It's actually the Quartering reading out someone else's twitter thread that breaks down to "Musk fired 70% of the staff, they were all useless anyway and so he made Twitter more profitable than Google and Apple". Which is the take of a 3-year old.
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