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On November 11 2018 02:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
There actually is a broad definition for AAA game, which necessarily includes Blizzard games:
"AAA (pronounced "triple-A") is an informal classification used for video games produced and distributed by a mid-sized or major publisher, typically having higher development and marketing budgets."
~https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AAA_(video_game_industry)
As Blizzard is certainly a major publisher and developer of PC games, their major titles should be viewed as AAA games.
That part of the definition doesn't imply success or popularity, although a few lines later it says "The term is analogous to the film industry term "blockbuster".[1]", which- according to *that* Wiki- is "A blockbuster is a work of entertainment – especially a feature film, but also other media – that is highly popular and financially successful."
I think this supplementary clarification also implies that major Blizzard titles are AAA games, as they are consistently popular and successful.
I also think that having semantics arguments over what "AAA" perfectly means is a waste of time.
Considering all this and the reality that mobile games are an incredibly popular and lucrative market, I'm not at all concerned with Blizzard additionally tapping that vertical as they also continue to succeed in the PC and console domains.
1) it's wikipedia
2) Wikipedia says it's an informal classification
3) Even by Wikipedia's definition, it still doesn't match up to lestyle defintion
4) Wikipedia's definition is so nebulous that it is most certainly a meaningless marketing PR buzzword to create hype over that lots of money was spent to create marketing PR
5) Citation needed (hey it IS wikipedia afterall!)
6) By your defintion Hearthstone is an AAA game as it AAA "neccesarily include Blizzard games". By Lestyle definition, it most certainly is not.
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Well I think from a financial standpoint this was the right move from Blizzard, I think the way they're adding more fuel to the Blizzcon fire is retarded by them. This is what happens when financial experts are running your game developing firm instead of devs.
The company quickly gets out of touch with their previous player base, possibly even burning bridges, just to please investors which are the real customers instead of the average joe who was delegated to the role of a cashcow.
Announcing Diablo Immortal during Blizzcon was a mistake, and now telling people "OuR BeSt DeVs ArE wOrKiNg On ThEsE PrOjEcTs" and that they have multiple of these in the works each for one of their franchises is just another PR disaster. But apparently, Blizzard doesn't care about PR in the west as much anymore.
What Blizzard knows and cares about is, them sweet monies in the Eastern market. Asia LOVES mobiles games and there are just so many diablo ripoffs on the market that Blizz wants to put out there their game and slap on their real "BlizzardTM" badge on it and get as big as possible piece of that pie. Noone can really blame them.
I just wish they didn't basically show a middle finger to the whole western diablo fanbase while doing this on Blizzocn where all the hardcore, PC fans of the game gather.
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On November 11 2018 04:17 Dangermousecatdog wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2018 02:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
There actually is a broad definition for AAA game, which necessarily includes Blizzard games:
"AAA (pronounced "triple-A") is an informal classification used for video games produced and distributed by a mid-sized or major publisher, typically having higher development and marketing budgets."
~https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AAA_(video_game_industry)
As Blizzard is certainly a major publisher and developer of PC games, their major titles should be viewed as AAA games.
That part of the definition doesn't imply success or popularity, although a few lines later it says "The term is analogous to the film industry term "blockbuster".[1]", which- according to *that* Wiki- is "A blockbuster is a work of entertainment – especially a feature film, but also other media – that is highly popular and financially successful."
I think this supplementary clarification also implies that major Blizzard titles are AAA games, as they are consistently popular and successful.
I also think that having semantics arguments over what "AAA" perfectly means is a waste of time.
Considering all this and the reality that mobile games are an incredibly popular and lucrative market, I'm not at all concerned with Blizzard additionally tapping that vertical as they also continue to succeed in the PC and console domains. 1) it's wikipedia 2) Wikipedia says it's an informal classification 3) Even by Wikipedia's definition, it still doesn't match up to lestyle defintion 4) Wikipedia's definition is so nebulous that it is most certainly a meaningless marketing PR buzzword to create hype over that lots of money was spent to create marketing PR 5) Citation needed (hey it IS wikipedia afterall!) 6) By your defintion Hearthstone is an AAA game as it AAA "neccesarily include Blizzard games". By Lestyle definition, it most certainly is not.
Neither includes hearthstone as the Wikipedia definition explicitly mentions "higher marketing and development budgets". And hearthstone production was pretty cheap, although I don't know what the marketing budget is. Same for HotS.
Now stop by a pedant as everybody instantly has an idea what you mean with AAA title, just as everybody knows what you mean with blockbuster, even if it fails miserably like Justice League.
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On November 11 2018 04:31 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2018 04:17 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On November 11 2018 02:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
There actually is a broad definition for AAA game, which necessarily includes Blizzard games:
"AAA (pronounced "triple-A") is an informal classification used for video games produced and distributed by a mid-sized or major publisher, typically having higher development and marketing budgets."
~https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AAA_(video_game_industry)
As Blizzard is certainly a major publisher and developer of PC games, their major titles should be viewed as AAA games.
That part of the definition doesn't imply success or popularity, although a few lines later it says "The term is analogous to the film industry term "blockbuster".[1]", which- according to *that* Wiki- is "A blockbuster is a work of entertainment – especially a feature film, but also other media – that is highly popular and financially successful."
I think this supplementary clarification also implies that major Blizzard titles are AAA games, as they are consistently popular and successful.
I also think that having semantics arguments over what "AAA" perfectly means is a waste of time.
Considering all this and the reality that mobile games are an incredibly popular and lucrative market, I'm not at all concerned with Blizzard additionally tapping that vertical as they also continue to succeed in the PC and console domains. 1) it's wikipedia 2) Wikipedia says it's an informal classification 3) Even by Wikipedia's definition, it still doesn't match up to lestyle defintion 4) Wikipedia's definition is so nebulous that it is most certainly a meaningless marketing PR buzzword to create hype over that lots of money was spent to create marketing PR 5) Citation needed (hey it IS wikipedia afterall!) 6) By your defintion Hearthstone is an AAA game as it AAA "neccesarily include Blizzard games". By Lestyle definition, it most certainly is not. Neither includes hearthstone as the Wikipedia definition explicitly mentions "higher marketing and development budgets". And hearthstone production was pretty cheap, although I don't know what the marketing budget is. Same for HotS. Now stop by a pedant as everybody instantly has an idea what you mean with AAA title, just as everybody knows what you mean with blockbuster, even if it fails miserably like Justice League.
On November 11 2018 02:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
There actually is a broad definition for AAA game, which necessarily includes Blizzard games:
Seems like DPB disagrees with you. Maybe not everybody instantly has an idea what you mean eh?
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On November 11 2018 04:42 Dangermousecatdog wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2018 04:31 Acrofales wrote:On November 11 2018 04:17 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On November 11 2018 02:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
There actually is a broad definition for AAA game, which necessarily includes Blizzard games:
"AAA (pronounced "triple-A") is an informal classification used for video games produced and distributed by a mid-sized or major publisher, typically having higher development and marketing budgets."
~https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AAA_(video_game_industry)
As Blizzard is certainly a major publisher and developer of PC games, their major titles should be viewed as AAA games.
That part of the definition doesn't imply success or popularity, although a few lines later it says "The term is analogous to the film industry term "blockbuster".[1]", which- according to *that* Wiki- is "A blockbuster is a work of entertainment – especially a feature film, but also other media – that is highly popular and financially successful."
I think this supplementary clarification also implies that major Blizzard titles are AAA games, as they are consistently popular and successful.
I also think that having semantics arguments over what "AAA" perfectly means is a waste of time.
Considering all this and the reality that mobile games are an incredibly popular and lucrative market, I'm not at all concerned with Blizzard additionally tapping that vertical as they also continue to succeed in the PC and console domains. 1) it's wikipedia 2) Wikipedia says it's an informal classification 3) Even by Wikipedia's definition, it still doesn't match up to lestyle defintion 4) Wikipedia's definition is so nebulous that it is most certainly a meaningless marketing PR buzzword to create hype over that lots of money was spent to create marketing PR 5) Citation needed (hey it IS wikipedia afterall!) 6) By your defintion Hearthstone is an AAA game as it AAA "neccesarily include Blizzard games". By Lestyle definition, it most certainly is not. Neither includes hearthstone as the Wikipedia definition explicitly mentions "higher marketing and development budgets". And hearthstone production was pretty cheap, although I don't know what the marketing budget is. Same for HotS. Now stop by a pedant as everybody instantly has an idea what you mean with AAA title, just as everybody knows what you mean with blockbuster, even if it fails miserably like Justice League. Show nested quote +On November 11 2018 02:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
There actually is a broad definition for AAA game, which necessarily includes Blizzard games: Seems like DPB disagrees with you. Maybe not everybody instantly has an idea what you mean eh?
He doesn't say "all", but even if we disagree, it doesn't make the intuitive definition worthless.
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On November 11 2018 02:11 Dangermousecatdog wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2018 04:55 lestye wrote:On November 10 2018 04:22 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
AAA is a meaningless buzzword used to create hype. It has no bearing on the quality of the game. I don't know why you guys keep using it. AAA is your typical big budget game with like a 100-300 sized team. Not a typical 15 man job like most mobile games are. If I say AAA, I mean your traditional, big budget, 60 dollar retail game. And...that would be the most pointless definition ever, which we all know you just made up just now. Is there such a thing as a AA game? An A game? Is there a B, or a C or a D? It's just meaningless marketing speak to make hype. What if they were $40? What if they had a team of 25-99 guys, but charged $60? What if it was a mobile game with 100 sized team? Are those AAA or not?
I have no clue why you're fighting me on this. There's obvious differences between super high budget games from Blizzard and Rockstar and games from smaller, but not indie studios.
If every single game Blizzard made from now on had a mobile and a Playstation Vita port, clearly that game's technical budget couldn't possibly be big.
I don't think "AAA" is a hype term at all, it just means a lot of resources/money/budget went into a game.
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I don't think Diablo:Immortal "for all ages" content was some internal inspirational artistic vision by a few Blizzard employees. This game looks more like a creation influenced by the corporate overlords.
Adham stated Blizzard employees are now playing mobile games for "hours and hours". He made it sound like it just organically happened. I doubt that. Because Mobile is a massive growth area the big bonus money is in mobile and not in Starcraft 2's next Warchest. So, Blizzard employees "find themselves" playing mobile games for hours on end.
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afaik AAA denomination comes from financial denomination for banks or states or financial products, it is a rating given to these by financial rating corporations, it means afaik that the investment is considered pretty much guaranteed to give returns. (there is an actual business of giving these ratings so you might try and buy your rating etc which is part of what happened during 2008 crash iirc)
when i think of it in terms of gaming industry, i think big money and little risk, generally not the actual best games : P i tend to even think of it like plague of the industry tbh (associated with redoing tried formulas, simplification, quantity over quality, and focus on production value and marketing plus advertisement, franchising etc, generally how games go from great to meh or even bad, similar to cinema or music.. it is almost antinomic with creativity which is the main factor for making great games haha)
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On November 11 2018 04:42 Dangermousecatdog wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2018 04:31 Acrofales wrote:On November 11 2018 04:17 Dangermousecatdog wrote:On November 11 2018 02:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
There actually is a broad definition for AAA game, which necessarily includes Blizzard games:
"AAA (pronounced "triple-A") is an informal classification used for video games produced and distributed by a mid-sized or major publisher, typically having higher development and marketing budgets."
~https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AAA_(video_game_industry)
As Blizzard is certainly a major publisher and developer of PC games, their major titles should be viewed as AAA games.
That part of the definition doesn't imply success or popularity, although a few lines later it says "The term is analogous to the film industry term "blockbuster".[1]", which- according to *that* Wiki- is "A blockbuster is a work of entertainment – especially a feature film, but also other media – that is highly popular and financially successful."
I think this supplementary clarification also implies that major Blizzard titles are AAA games, as they are consistently popular and successful.
I also think that having semantics arguments over what "AAA" perfectly means is a waste of time.
Considering all this and the reality that mobile games are an incredibly popular and lucrative market, I'm not at all concerned with Blizzard additionally tapping that vertical as they also continue to succeed in the PC and console domains. 1) it's wikipedia 2) Wikipedia says it's an informal classification 3) Even by Wikipedia's definition, it still doesn't match up to lestyle defintion 4) Wikipedia's definition is so nebulous that it is most certainly a meaningless marketing PR buzzword to create hype over that lots of money was spent to create marketing PR 5) Citation needed (hey it IS wikipedia afterall!) 6) By your defintion Hearthstone is an AAA game as it AAA "neccesarily include Blizzard games". By Lestyle definition, it most certainly is not. Neither includes hearthstone as the Wikipedia definition explicitly mentions "higher marketing and development budgets". And hearthstone production was pretty cheap, although I don't know what the marketing budget is. Same for HotS. Now stop by a pedant as everybody instantly has an idea what you mean with AAA title, just as everybody knows what you mean with blockbuster, even if it fails miserably like Justice League. Show nested quote +On November 11 2018 02:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
There actually is a broad definition for AAA game, which necessarily includes Blizzard games: Seems like DPB disagrees with you. Maybe not everybody instantly has an idea what you mean eh?
Its absolutely clear, to anyone even mildly socialized to video games discourse or most any of the people bestowed with the gift of common sense, what 'AAA' is used to signify in this context. You might as well get in a fight over the definition of 'yellow' or 'three' so if you're so inclined go register yourself up a course in semantics, philosophy or linguistics or someshit.
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