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Ok first of all, this is the second time you're mentioning LLMs now like it's some sort of Gotcha ! What's wrong with using LLMs ? You made an outlandish claim about there being only SIKA that had the skills to do the job, I used chatGPT to find 4 other contractors that could do it in the US. He told me the names, I checked their references, they indeed knew how to build big pools, and that was that. I don't live in the US so I can't name specialized companies off the top of my head. Same thing for federal laws ? I'm I disqualified from talking to oBlade because I used chatGPT ?
On August 07 2026 01:00 oBlade wrote:
Good now say fish live in the Pacific Ocean, and in the Atlantic Ocean, and do penance for ignoring freshwater fish everywhere. The implication is NOT you're an irrational person who doesn't know fish live in the Pacific Ocean. I'm not saying there's a single piece of evidence you ever said fish don't live in the Pacific Ocean. It's just a good faith test to clear your name, I'm your friend. Let me know when you're tired of saying true sentences. (If you miss any of these, Jankisa is ready to toxically spam that you are a far right racist fascist bootlicking Stormfront Nazi cult member with blood on your hands anyway. Maybe you prefer he just get stuck on the asinine fish question and crash out there. Understand?)
Some fish do live in the Atlantic and the Pacific ocean, you're right about that. I won't do penance for not mentioning that before because the subject of whether they lived in Oceans didn't come up before now.
I'm not sure I get the point you' re trying to make. I have no problem saying true sentences as long as they are used in the debate somehow. If your point is that you're going to keep asking me to say true statements until I get bored, I fail to see how that's relevant to the conversation. No one flooded you with multiple questions, as far as I can tell there was only Jankisa that wanted to know whether you acknowledged that Biden won the 2020 election and myself who asked you to say whether you thought Trump was a liar. Doesn't seem difficult to answer.
The reason I ask this question is because I'm geniunely not sure if you think that Trump is a liar. It's not a gotcha. You have many stances that are extremely far right/MAGA and it's hard to tell if you are aware that Trump lies constantly.
This whole conversation for me started with this statement:
On June 24 2026 14:19 Geiko wrote:
It's hard to grasp for some maga americans but it's not about the pool, it's about the blatant corruption and then the tripling down on obvious lies.
So I've always tried to separate the two subjects (corruption and lying) even though you seem to always want to bunch them up together. Now at first you wouldn't acknowledge the fact that Trump lied, now that ample evidence has been brought to light that he was indeed "tripling down on obvious lies", I'd like to close that subject where we can all agree that Trump is a liar. I said your sentences about the fishes, can you do me the courtesy of saying "Ok, I agree that Trump is a liar". You can even add "in this instance" if it makes you feel better.
On August 07 2026 01:00 oBlade wrote:
So we have a deadlock where we can't know what the fair price is because it wasn't bid, but we can't know if bidding was skipped on purpose to achieve unfair enrichment without knowing whether the price is unfair. This is obnoxious because in previous waffling you said no-bid contracts aren't necessarily corrupt. Yet it's inherent to all no-bid contracts that you didn't arrive at the price the way you are now sarcastically saying is necessary. Whether something's corrupt can't depend on "the feeling."
The price is anyway not completely uninformed, there is external info. For example, your LLMyou mentioned 4 contractors that the government could have used, before. How much do they charge for similar jobs, and can you scale it to the Reflecting Pool? There have been articles and articles of people making the same complaints you are now. There's no numbers to go with this? You haven't even theorycrafted something. Government cost overrun averages, say, ~20% so if you have some actual way to show it should have cost less than $12.5 million to start in April and finish before July I'm happy to admit the government was slightly ripped off. Wouldn't you like that? Me saying one of your rhetorical passwords? But as scant as all your evidence is, what's more likely to make me think we were ripped off is if the redo repair under warranty finishing in a few days is also defective in some way. Or if the company goes bankrupt while repeatedly trying to fix the blue lining, like if the pool's condition makes it structurally futile to even try.
Now regarding the corruption, we can agree that whatever the "real" market price for the works that have been done is, it's probably lower than what the US are paying for at the moment. Mathematically, it's "lower or equal". Practically, it would be a fucking coincidence if out of all the contractors in the US, we happened to find by chance the one that would do it for the lowest amount. So it seems obvious to me that whenever a no-bid contract is granted, the US is losing money because somewhere out there, another company could probably have done it for cheaper. That's why these no-bid contracts have strict rules. These rules were, according to me, broken as the government failed to justify "unusual and compelling urgency". You think the urgency is justified, you seem to think it was impossible to plan a couple of months ahead and so the government losing money on a no-bid contract is justified. I guess we disagree on that point and maybe it's best to leave it as is.
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I know it’s a primary and all but that +13 polling average miss for a +1 El-Sayed victory is still so wild.
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On August 07 2026 05:21 dyhb wrote:
I know it’s a primary and all but that +13 polling average miss for a +1 El-Sayed victory is still so wild. Did you have a preference in that primary? Safe to say you're supporting El-Sayed in the general?
Polling was spotty/not the best pollsters, but best I can tell is "other" was basically a placeholder for people that voted for Stevens.
Why they said "other" then voted Stevens could be explained 1000 different ways and we can't really know which are the most accurate without additional polling I doubt we're getting.
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I still don't know how he went with "sure, they could have opened it to bids if they wanted to risk a shoddy job but they wanted to guarantee it was done right so they had to give it to this specific company".
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Strange call to write something that aged poorly before you wrote it.
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On August 07 2026 06:42 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2026 05:21 dyhb wrote:
I know it’s a primary and all but that +13 polling average miss for a +1 El-Sayed victory is still so wild. Did you have a preference in that primary? Safe to say you're supporting El-Sayed in the general? Polling was spotty/not the best pollsters, but best I can tell is "other" was basically a placeholder for people that voted for Stevens. Why they said "other" then voted Stevens could be explained 1000 different ways and we can't really know which are the most accurate without additional polling I doubt we're getting. I think both competitive candidates really sucked, so I'm really glad that I'm not a voter in Michigan.
El-Sayed on Iron Dome“I don't believe that there's really a difference between offensive or defensive weapons.”
Also, Hasan Piker is toxic as hell and should be cut off from the campaignAmerica deserved 9/11 It doesn’t matter if rape happened on October 7th. It doesn’t change the dynamic for me Hamas is 1000 times better than the fascist settler colonial apartheid state
But El-Sayed was asked about Piker quotes including those, since he campaigned alongside Piker (as opposed to merely being supported by Piker with no attachment to the campaign)
It's important to talk about context. I was pretty done with him when I saw that politically idiotic move, but there's always the chance that he apologizes for past behavior and marks a clear separation.
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Is hanging out with a streamer that says mean things worse than voting to give Israel more missiles to blow up orphanages and hospitals?
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On August 07 2026 11:12 LightSpectra wrote:
streamer that says mean things We're coming up on the 25th anniversary of some mean things done by some mean people in New York, if you want to go this direction.
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On August 07 2026 11:12 LightSpectra wrote:
Is hanging out with a streamer that says mean things worse than voting to give Israel more missiles to blow up orphanages and hospitals?
Someone against orphanages and hospitals blowing up would be expected to be for the Iron Dome which prevents just that.
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"Iron Dome" and similar ideas costs money and planning - a sustained war effort will overwhelm the interceptor count.
Previous designs Mid-range cruise missles and long range ballistic missles are expensive and can be met 1:1 with expensive interceptors.
Lawnmower-Powered dumb-drones can be manufactured much faster and cheaper.
US Allies in the middle east start to question interceptor availablity.
The US military has burned through nearly four-fifths of its THAAD missile inventory compared to pre-war numbers and roughly half of its Patriot interceptors since the start of the war, according to two sources familiar with the latest inventory report.
Gulf allies have also raised fresh concerns about how a shortage of air defense systems could impact their ability to ward off potential Iranian retaliation if President Donald Trump decides to escalate the ongoing conflict.
https://edition.cnn.com/2026/08/04/politics/us-iran-key-missile-interceptors-low
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On August 07 2026 01:13 dyhb wrote:Show nested quote +On August 06 2026 23:59 Geiko wrote:On August 06 2026 23:46 oBlade wrote:On August 06 2026 22:21 Geiko wrote:On August 06 2026 21:17 oBlade wrote:
Ah I said it wasn't vandals but I didn't use the exact random hidden password you invented so my answer doesn't count.
You know vandals vandalized the grass right next to the thing when they wrote 8647? You've probably forgotten that by now despite being told it also. That's the same category, vandalism. Them also breaking the pool is the exaggeration then. Like if someone shoots 2 goals and says they shot 4, you don't go oh shit that's not an exaggeration the second two goals are simply completely made up. It's an exaggeration, and the second two goals don't exist whatsoever, and they are a lie. It wasn't an elite 5D 8brain ploy to not say the word "lie." You're using semantics to miss basic communication.
"This person stole a cookie, that's a crime, right? So me saying that he robbed a bank wasn't technically a lie, just an exaggeration." This is how stupid you sound to the rest of us here. You read this: It's an exaggeration, and the second two goals don't exist whatsoever, and they are a lie. and concluded my point was an exaggeration isn't technically a lie, and not that exaggerations are lies, which was my actual point? That's just special. On August 06 2026 22:21 Geiko wrote:On August 06 2026 21:17 oBlade wrote:
I've never said anything about the results of the 2020 election other than what anyone can find on Wikipedia or the first page of Google lol.
On August 06 2026 21:17 oBlade wrote:
Why would anyone bother entertaining a know-nothing question copy/pasted straight from tools someone saw in a hearing on TV. Duh.
Joe Biden won the 2020 election. See how easy that was? It even says so on the Wikipedia page you're quoting. You write 1,000 words of pure nonsense every day on here, and you can't be bothered to write 6 words saying that you agree with it? I'm glad you could finally only six years later figure out and admit to us all who won the 2020 election. Kind of embarrassing but better late than never. New test just dropped though: If you don't say fish live in the sea in the next post, you're Hitler. In fact I've never once seen you say those 5 words "fish live in the sea." Where do you think fish live? You're not one of those sky-fishites are you? On August 06 2026 22:21 Geiko wrote:On August 06 2026 21:17 oBlade wrote:
Okay, and they hadn't chosen to remodel it by October 2025.
"Sir, people are complaining the Reflecting Pool is dirty and ugly."
"Drain it completely and close it for longer than necessary the other way."
Problem solved, thanks bureaucracy.
Are you saying this is a 6-month job instead of the 2012 job which was 22 months? This is actually useful information to me. What about the price then? How much is it fairly supposed to cost? Is it supposed to cost about $1 million in which case it's a 15x ripoff, or about $15 million in which case this is an enormous nothingburger.
On second thought, 6 months after October is only April. Are you instead saying you want 6 months of bidding for 3 more months of work that starts in April? Because the whole point of this contract was it's rush and higher risk. If you did a bid process you would expect THE JOB ITSELF to take longer. I'm saying you have reading issues. A job can take 2 months, 8 months, or 12 years depending on what you are asking. In this case, I simply stated that, for the same specifications, a tender process to have multiple contractors bid would have taken at most 6 months more. More realistically, 2–4 months, seeing as they had the authority to speed up authorizations. I'm not talking about the total time, including studies, work, etc., which you probably mean when you say 22 months. You're correct a job can take 12 years. In 2015 people were not thinking about the 250th. They could have started a job that would finish in 2027, then realize in 2025 that they wanted to have a fair on the National Mall and have the Pool open for that, and then done new contracts to finish faster for more money. That would not be a planning failure. Because they would be able to make it happen. You know Sika yet? Have you just been thinking I'm somehow typoing the name of the mosquito-borne disease? The company that did the 2010 job. The repair by Sika from close to open was 22 months. The job. Not the procurement. Not the bidding. Just the job. I've mentioned this multiple times but it hasn't absorbed I see. On August 06 2026 22:21 Geiko wrote:
I'm talking about the same job, except with multiple offers from competent contractors.
The urgency to fix the pool 4month before the event is imo either a result of poor planning, or a deliberate scheme to by-pass the normal bidding process. Excellent. Let's assume it's simply the result of poor planning. Then: How much should the repair cost and how long should it take? Objectively. I actually asked you how much the fair cost is and you still won't answer. We know the rush time was 3 months. But not everyone could do that. Sika was approached first and rejected because they couldn't do 3 months. It stands to reason had the job been done for 8% people would have bid much longer job durations. Making it the "same job" in terms of result but not in terms of cost and timescale. (CNN) — Several months before blue strips started floating to the surface of the Lincoln Memorial Reflecting Pool, a company involved in its last renovation more than 15 years ago was approached with an opportunity to do this remodel as well. But the company said no.
Specifically, it balked at two requirements – the Trump administration wanted it done by July 4, and the pool bottom had to be blue, according to two employees with the New Jersey-based Sika Corporation, which provided the concrete construction and sealing products for a 2010 renovation project to the Reflecting Pool.
According to the two employees, who spoke to CNN on the condition they not be identified, both demands made the job “unfeasible.” So suddenly we're moving up to like 6 months of work plus 6 months of procurement which you are now trying to reduce back to 2-4 months, and we end up needing to start like May/June 2025 to have a buffer which is even before the 249th anniversary, let alone the 250th. And why would anyone at that time be looking closely at the Reflecting Pool of all things for the 250th anniversary when they have yet to decide what they are even going to do and where. You seem to have trouble saying sentences that are true. You seemingly won't say "Joe Biden won the 2020 election" even though you are OK heavily implying that is true, you just can't bring yourself to type the words. The same goes with saying that Trump is a liar. You seem to agree that Donald Trump tells "exagerations", that "exagerations" are lies, but you won't say "Donald Trump tells lies". What is wrong with you ? I'll happily say that fish live in the sea because they do. you won't see me say "Well I'll refer you to wikipedia to find out where fish live". Again, what is wrong with you ? You ask me how much the repair should have cost... You're so close to getting it right. What possible way is there of knowing what the fair market price for something should be ? If only we could have, say for example, asked 5-6 contractors how much money it would cost to put a blue liner on the pool and do the job in 2 months. How great that would have been, that way the american taxpayer wouldn't have had the feeling of being ripped off. But sadly it's just not possible. That would have taken a couple months of forward planning and we didn't have that time  Who could have guessed we would be celebrating the 250th anniversary of the USA. No one, one would need a time machine to have figured that out. Is the point that Wikipedia and Google are ambiguous on the result, so you really need those exact words? I’m starting to not understand the gotcha.
No the point is that his statement is ambiguous.
On August 06 2026 21:17 oBlade wrote:
I've never said anything about the results of the 2020 election other than what anyone can find on Wikipedia or the first page of Google lol.
This sentence doesn't really mean anything. Maybe he never talked about the results of the 2020 elections in which case his sentence is still true (vacuous truth statement). Maybe he said that the results were certified in january, in that case his sentence is also true. His sentence is made to look like he's agreeing to the fact the Biden won the election without technically saying it's true.
I can do the same thing: "Everytime I've talked about giving oBlade 1M$, I've said I promised I would do it, in cash, and before the end of 2026".
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On August 07 2026 13:19 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2026 11:12 LightSpectra wrote:
Is hanging out with a streamer that says mean things worse than voting to give Israel more missiles to blow up orphanages and hospitals? Someone against orphanages and hospitals blowing up would be expected to be for the Iron Dome which prevents just that.
Oh, would you support giving Palestiniann an iron dome to stop Israeli to murder their children ?
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On August 07 2026 15:05 Geiko wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2026 01:13 dyhb wrote:On August 06 2026 23:59 Geiko wrote:On August 06 2026 23:46 oBlade wrote:On August 06 2026 22:21 Geiko wrote:On August 06 2026 21:17 oBlade wrote:
Ah I said it wasn't vandals but I didn't use the exact random hidden password you invented so my answer doesn't count.
You know vandals vandalized the grass right next to the thing when they wrote 8647? You've probably forgotten that by now despite being told it also. That's the same category, vandalism. Them also breaking the pool is the exaggeration then. Like if someone shoots 2 goals and says they shot 4, you don't go oh shit that's not an exaggeration the second two goals are simply completely made up. It's an exaggeration, and the second two goals don't exist whatsoever, and they are a lie. It wasn't an elite 5D 8brain ploy to not say the word "lie." You're using semantics to miss basic communication.
"This person stole a cookie, that's a crime, right? So me saying that he robbed a bank wasn't technically a lie, just an exaggeration." This is how stupid you sound to the rest of us here. You read this: It's an exaggeration, and the second two goals don't exist whatsoever, and they are a lie. and concluded my point was an exaggeration isn't technically a lie, and not that exaggerations are lies, which was my actual point? That's just special. On August 06 2026 22:21 Geiko wrote:On August 06 2026 21:17 oBlade wrote:
I've never said anything about the results of the 2020 election other than what anyone can find on Wikipedia or the first page of Google lol.
On August 06 2026 21:17 oBlade wrote:
Why would anyone bother entertaining a know-nothing question copy/pasted straight from tools someone saw in a hearing on TV. Duh.
Joe Biden won the 2020 election. See how easy that was? It even says so on the Wikipedia page you're quoting. You write 1,000 words of pure nonsense every day on here, and you can't be bothered to write 6 words saying that you agree with it? I'm glad you could finally only six years later figure out and admit to us all who won the 2020 election. Kind of embarrassing but better late than never. New test just dropped though: If you don't say fish live in the sea in the next post, you're Hitler. In fact I've never once seen you say those 5 words "fish live in the sea." Where do you think fish live? You're not one of those sky-fishites are you? On August 06 2026 22:21 Geiko wrote:On August 06 2026 21:17 oBlade wrote:
Okay, and they hadn't chosen to remodel it by October 2025.
"Sir, people are complaining the Reflecting Pool is dirty and ugly."
"Drain it completely and close it for longer than necessary the other way."
Problem solved, thanks bureaucracy.
Are you saying this is a 6-month job instead of the 2012 job which was 22 months? This is actually useful information to me. What about the price then? How much is it fairly supposed to cost? Is it supposed to cost about $1 million in which case it's a 15x ripoff, or about $15 million in which case this is an enormous nothingburger.
On second thought, 6 months after October is only April. Are you instead saying you want 6 months of bidding for 3 more months of work that starts in April? Because the whole point of this contract was it's rush and higher risk. If you did a bid process you would expect THE JOB ITSELF to take longer. I'm saying you have reading issues. A job can take 2 months, 8 months, or 12 years depending on what you are asking. In this case, I simply stated that, for the same specifications, a tender process to have multiple contractors bid would have taken at most 6 months more. More realistically, 2–4 months, seeing as they had the authority to speed up authorizations. I'm not talking about the total time, including studies, work, etc., which you probably mean when you say 22 months. You're correct a job can take 12 years. In 2015 people were not thinking about the 250th. They could have started a job that would finish in 2027, then realize in 2025 that they wanted to have a fair on the National Mall and have the Pool open for that, and then done new contracts to finish faster for more money. That would not be a planning failure. Because they would be able to make it happen. You know Sika yet? Have you just been thinking I'm somehow typoing the name of the mosquito-borne disease? The company that did the 2010 job. The repair by Sika from close to open was 22 months. The job. Not the procurement. Not the bidding. Just the job. I've mentioned this multiple times but it hasn't absorbed I see. On August 06 2026 22:21 Geiko wrote:
I'm talking about the same job, except with multiple offers from competent contractors.
The urgency to fix the pool 4month before the event is imo either a result of poor planning, or a deliberate scheme to by-pass the normal bidding process. Excellent. Let's assume it's simply the result of poor planning. Then: How much should the repair cost and how long should it take? Objectively. I actually asked you how much the fair cost is and you still won't answer. We know the rush time was 3 months. But not everyone could do that. Sika was approached first and rejected because they couldn't do 3 months. It stands to reason had the job been done for 8% people would have bid much longer job durations. Making it the "same job" in terms of result but not in terms of cost and timescale. (CNN) — Several months before blue strips started floating to the surface of the Lincoln Memorial Reflecting Pool, a company involved in its last renovation more than 15 years ago was approached with an opportunity to do this remodel as well. But the company said no.
Specifically, it balked at two requirements – the Trump administration wanted it done by July 4, and the pool bottom had to be blue, according to two employees with the New Jersey-based Sika Corporation, which provided the concrete construction and sealing products for a 2010 renovation project to the Reflecting Pool.
According to the two employees, who spoke to CNN on the condition they not be identified, both demands made the job “unfeasible.” So suddenly we're moving up to like 6 months of work plus 6 months of procurement which you are now trying to reduce back to 2-4 months, and we end up needing to start like May/June 2025 to have a buffer which is even before the 249th anniversary, let alone the 250th. And why would anyone at that time be looking closely at the Reflecting Pool of all things for the 250th anniversary when they have yet to decide what they are even going to do and where. You seem to have trouble saying sentences that are true. You seemingly won't say "Joe Biden won the 2020 election" even though you are OK heavily implying that is true, you just can't bring yourself to type the words. The same goes with saying that Trump is a liar. You seem to agree that Donald Trump tells "exagerations", that "exagerations" are lies, but you won't say "Donald Trump tells lies". What is wrong with you ? I'll happily say that fish live in the sea because they do. you won't see me say "Well I'll refer you to wikipedia to find out where fish live". Again, what is wrong with you ? You ask me how much the repair should have cost... You're so close to getting it right. What possible way is there of knowing what the fair market price for something should be ? If only we could have, say for example, asked 5-6 contractors how much money it would cost to put a blue liner on the pool and do the job in 2 months. How great that would have been, that way the american taxpayer wouldn't have had the feeling of being ripped off. But sadly it's just not possible. That would have taken a couple months of forward planning and we didn't have that time Who could have guessed we would be celebrating the 250th anniversary of the USA. No one, one would need a time machine to have figured that out. Is the point that Wikipedia and Google are ambiguous on the result, so you really need those exact words? I’m starting to not understand the gotcha. No the point is that his statement is ambiguous. Now I am a little concerned about what comes up on your Google and Wikipedia for the results of the 2020 election. Is this some sort of France thing that I don't know about? You can state nothing other than the Wikipedia article and first page of Google results and yet still state election falsehoods?
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On August 07 2026 15:06 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2026 13:19 oBlade wrote:On August 07 2026 11:12 LightSpectra wrote:
Is hanging out with a streamer that says mean things worse than voting to give Israel more missiles to blow up orphanages and hospitals? Someone against orphanages and hospitals blowing up would be expected to be for the Iron Dome which prevents just that. Oh, would you support giving Palestiniann an iron dome to stop Israeli to murder their children ?
Define "Palestiniann."
If it means Hamas, no.
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On August 07 2026 15:16 dyhb wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2026 15:05 Geiko wrote:On August 07 2026 01:13 dyhb wrote:On August 06 2026 23:59 Geiko wrote:On August 06 2026 23:46 oBlade wrote:On August 06 2026 22:21 Geiko wrote:On August 06 2026 21:17 oBlade wrote:
Ah I said it wasn't vandals but I didn't use the exact random hidden password you invented so my answer doesn't count.
You know vandals vandalized the grass right next to the thing when they wrote 8647? You've probably forgotten that by now despite being told it also. That's the same category, vandalism. Them also breaking the pool is the exaggeration then. Like if someone shoots 2 goals and says they shot 4, you don't go oh shit that's not an exaggeration the second two goals are simply completely made up. It's an exaggeration, and the second two goals don't exist whatsoever, and they are a lie. It wasn't an elite 5D 8brain ploy to not say the word "lie." You're using semantics to miss basic communication.
"This person stole a cookie, that's a crime, right? So me saying that he robbed a bank wasn't technically a lie, just an exaggeration." This is how stupid you sound to the rest of us here. You read this: It's an exaggeration, and the second two goals don't exist whatsoever, and they are a lie. and concluded my point was an exaggeration isn't technically a lie, and not that exaggerations are lies, which was my actual point? That's just special. On August 06 2026 22:21 Geiko wrote:On August 06 2026 21:17 oBlade wrote:
I've never said anything about the results of the 2020 election other than what anyone can find on Wikipedia or the first page of Google lol.
On August 06 2026 21:17 oBlade wrote:
Why would anyone bother entertaining a know-nothing question copy/pasted straight from tools someone saw in a hearing on TV. Duh.
Joe Biden won the 2020 election. See how easy that was? It even says so on the Wikipedia page you're quoting. You write 1,000 words of pure nonsense every day on here, and you can't be bothered to write 6 words saying that you agree with it? I'm glad you could finally only six years later figure out and admit to us all who won the 2020 election. Kind of embarrassing but better late than never. New test just dropped though: If you don't say fish live in the sea in the next post, you're Hitler. In fact I've never once seen you say those 5 words "fish live in the sea." Where do you think fish live? You're not one of those sky-fishites are you? On August 06 2026 22:21 Geiko wrote:On August 06 2026 21:17 oBlade wrote:
Okay, and they hadn't chosen to remodel it by October 2025.
"Sir, people are complaining the Reflecting Pool is dirty and ugly."
"Drain it completely and close it for longer than necessary the other way."
Problem solved, thanks bureaucracy.
Are you saying this is a 6-month job instead of the 2012 job which was 22 months? This is actually useful information to me. What about the price then? How much is it fairly supposed to cost? Is it supposed to cost about $1 million in which case it's a 15x ripoff, or about $15 million in which case this is an enormous nothingburger.
On second thought, 6 months after October is only April. Are you instead saying you want 6 months of bidding for 3 more months of work that starts in April? Because the whole point of this contract was it's rush and higher risk. If you did a bid process you would expect THE JOB ITSELF to take longer. I'm saying you have reading issues. A job can take 2 months, 8 months, or 12 years depending on what you are asking. In this case, I simply stated that, for the same specifications, a tender process to have multiple contractors bid would have taken at most 6 months more. More realistically, 2–4 months, seeing as they had the authority to speed up authorizations. I'm not talking about the total time, including studies, work, etc., which you probably mean when you say 22 months. You're correct a job can take 12 years. In 2015 people were not thinking about the 250th. They could have started a job that would finish in 2027, then realize in 2025 that they wanted to have a fair on the National Mall and have the Pool open for that, and then done new contracts to finish faster for more money. That would not be a planning failure. Because they would be able to make it happen. You know Sika yet? Have you just been thinking I'm somehow typoing the name of the mosquito-borne disease? The company that did the 2010 job. The repair by Sika from close to open was 22 months. The job. Not the procurement. Not the bidding. Just the job. I've mentioned this multiple times but it hasn't absorbed I see. On August 06 2026 22:21 Geiko wrote:
I'm talking about the same job, except with multiple offers from competent contractors.
The urgency to fix the pool 4month before the event is imo either a result of poor planning, or a deliberate scheme to by-pass the normal bidding process. Excellent. Let's assume it's simply the result of poor planning. Then: How much should the repair cost and how long should it take? Objectively. I actually asked you how much the fair cost is and you still won't answer. We know the rush time was 3 months. But not everyone could do that. Sika was approached first and rejected because they couldn't do 3 months. It stands to reason had the job been done for 8% people would have bid much longer job durations. Making it the "same job" in terms of result but not in terms of cost and timescale. (CNN) — Several months before blue strips started floating to the surface of the Lincoln Memorial Reflecting Pool, a company involved in its last renovation more than 15 years ago was approached with an opportunity to do this remodel as well. But the company said no.
Specifically, it balked at two requirements – the Trump administration wanted it done by July 4, and the pool bottom had to be blue, according to two employees with the New Jersey-based Sika Corporation, which provided the concrete construction and sealing products for a 2010 renovation project to the Reflecting Pool.
According to the two employees, who spoke to CNN on the condition they not be identified, both demands made the job “unfeasible.” So suddenly we're moving up to like 6 months of work plus 6 months of procurement which you are now trying to reduce back to 2-4 months, and we end up needing to start like May/June 2025 to have a buffer which is even before the 249th anniversary, let alone the 250th. And why would anyone at that time be looking closely at the Reflecting Pool of all things for the 250th anniversary when they have yet to decide what they are even going to do and where. You seem to have trouble saying sentences that are true. You seemingly won't say "Joe Biden won the 2020 election" even though you are OK heavily implying that is true, you just can't bring yourself to type the words. The same goes with saying that Trump is a liar. You seem to agree that Donald Trump tells "exagerations", that "exagerations" are lies, but you won't say "Donald Trump tells lies". What is wrong with you ? I'll happily say that fish live in the sea because they do. you won't see me say "Well I'll refer you to wikipedia to find out where fish live". Again, what is wrong with you ? You ask me how much the repair should have cost... You're so close to getting it right. What possible way is there of knowing what the fair market price for something should be ? If only we could have, say for example, asked 5-6 contractors how much money it would cost to put a blue liner on the pool and do the job in 2 months. How great that would have been, that way the american taxpayer wouldn't have had the feeling of being ripped off. But sadly it's just not possible. That would have taken a couple months of forward planning and we didn't have that time Who could have guessed we would be celebrating the 250th anniversary of the USA. No one, one would need a time machine to have figured that out. Is the point that Wikipedia and Google are ambiguous on the result, so you really need those exact words? I’m starting to not understand the gotcha. No the point is that his statement is ambiguous. Now I am a little concerned about what comes up on your Google and Wikipedia for the results of the 2020 election. Is this some sort of France thing that I don't know about? You can state nothing other than the Wikipedia article and first page of Google results and yet still state election falsehoods?
Wasn't I being clear in my previous post ?
I'm not claiming he stated falsehoods, I'm claiming he didn't answer the question that was asked.
From his statement, if we consider it true, we can derive that he never stated that Trump won the election for example. Maybe he thought it though, but he didn't state it.
We can't derive whether he thinks Biden won the election or not, which was the original question. So his statement doesn't answer the question. It's crafted so as to give the impression that he's answering it, without doing so.
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On August 07 2026 13:19 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2026 11:12 LightSpectra wrote:
Is hanging out with a streamer that says mean things worse than voting to give Israel more missiles to blow up orphanages and hospitals? Someone against orphanages and hospitals blowing up would be expected to be for the Iron Dome which prevents just that.
Your claiming Magneto has no blame for a mass shooter going on a killing spree because he didn't supply the gun, he only stopped all the cop bullets from taking out the shooter. So really he actually saved a life.
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On August 07 2026 16:29 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2026 13:19 oBlade wrote:On August 07 2026 11:12 LightSpectra wrote:
Is hanging out with a streamer that says mean things worse than voting to give Israel more missiles to blow up orphanages and hospitals? Someone against orphanages and hospitals blowing up would be expected to be for the Iron Dome which prevents just that. Your claiming Magneto has no blame for a mass shooter going on a killing spree because he didn't supply the gun, he only stopped all the cop bullets from taking out the shooter. So really he actually saved a life.
I've never watched superhero slop so I don't know what this means but I know Hamas aren't the police of the Middle East.
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On August 07 2026 16:38 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2026 16:29 Gorsameth wrote:On August 07 2026 13:19 oBlade wrote:On August 07 2026 11:12 LightSpectra wrote:
Is hanging out with a streamer that says mean things worse than voting to give Israel more missiles to blow up orphanages and hospitals? Someone against orphanages and hospitals blowing up would be expected to be for the Iron Dome which prevents just that. Your claiming Magneto has no blame for a mass shooter going on a killing spree because he didn't supply the gun, he only stopped all the cop bullets from taking out the shooter. So really he actually saved a life. I've never watched superhero slop so I don't know what this means but I know Hamas aren't the police of the Middle East.
Neither is the IDF. What's your point?
E: let me try to get this back on point instead of getting sucked into stupid.
The original statement by someone was that there are no defensive weapons. I mean, that seems fairly obvious to the point of tautology: any weapon, unlike a shield, can be used offensively. So for this to be at all sensible we need to narrow down what type of things they're talking about and why. Clearly the idea here is that even a shield is usually not neutral. Someone is always USING a shield to protect something. At best it's just their life. But usually it's also their ability to attack. Shield and spear was a famous style. Shield and lance for jousting. In these cases the shield doesn't only protect lives, it also protects the ability to use weapons. Iron Dome is much the same. Yes, it is only defensive in the sense that it shoots down missiles. But then Israel retaliates with missiles of their own (the sword part of sword and board). And if Israel's metaphorical sword is committing war crimes every time they do anything, should someone who opposed war crimes be supplying the "board"?
Saying "but what if Hamas had an iron dome" is a dumb whataboutism, because at no point in that argument did we even have to mention who Israel is fighting against. Hamas can be the most heinous organization on the planet, and committing war crimes would still be really bad, and something worth opposing.
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On August 07 2026 15:37 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2026 15:06 Biff The Understudy wrote:On August 07 2026 13:19 oBlade wrote:On August 07 2026 11:12 LightSpectra wrote:
Is hanging out with a streamer that says mean things worse than voting to give Israel more missiles to blow up orphanages and hospitals? Someone against orphanages and hospitals blowing up would be expected to be for the Iron Dome which prevents just that. Oh, would you support giving Palestiniann an iron dome to stop Israeli to murder their children ? Define "Palestiniann." If it means Hamas, no.
Since you are gonna argue that IDF only targets Hamas members and / or that every adult male Palestinian is a Hamas member, let’s keep it to the 21000 children that have been assassinante by IDF since the start of Netanyahu little special genocidal operation.
Would you have supported giving the 21000 murdered kids that were deeefinitely not Hamas members an Iron Dome to protect them against Israel’s missiles?
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On August 07 2026 19:27 Biff The Understudy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 07 2026 15:37 oBlade wrote:On August 07 2026 15:06 Biff The Understudy wrote:On August 07 2026 13:19 oBlade wrote:On August 07 2026 11:12 LightSpectra wrote:
Is hanging out with a streamer that says mean things worse than voting to give Israel more missiles to blow up orphanages and hospitals? Someone against orphanages and hospitals blowing up would be expected to be for the Iron Dome which prevents just that. Oh, would you support giving Palestiniann an iron dome to stop Israeli to murder their children ? Define "Palestiniann." If it means Hamas, no. Since you are gonna argue that IDF only targets Hamas members and / or that every adult male Palestinian is a Hamas member, let’s keep it to the 21000 children that have been assassinante by IDF since the start of Netanyahu little special genocidal operation. Would you have supported giving the 21000 murdered kids that were deeefinitely not Hamas members an Iron Dome to protect them against Israel’s missiles?
The question is straightforward so my answer will be as well. I would never arm minors with SAMs.
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