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On June 21 2026 17:08 PoulsenB wrote:
Being friends with Epstein should automatically disqualify a person from being considered respectable, not to mention from holding any public office, in my opinion.
And Trump being friends with Epstein is only one of many, many good reasons to morally disqualify him in the eyes of voters, but sadly half the country doesn't consider those issues sufficiently disqualifying.
Happy birthday!
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On June 21 2026 15:36 dyhb wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2026 15:23 EnDeR_ wrote:On June 21 2026 14:20 dyhb wrote:On June 21 2026 12:39 LightSpectra wrote:So around the same time Trump is photographed as buying a woman from Epstein, he finds out De Georgiou was sexually trafficked, and somehow saves her by not reporting her or Epstein/Maxwell to the police (?), instead continuing to be close friends with them for many more years and even bragging about loving women as young as Epstein likes to a magazine. Please keep going. This explanation is close enough to enriching weapons-grade retardium that Israel is about to bomb it. They really gotta do a better job with fake signatures. Seriously, it's not even good as a fake gag. You ever revisit the snopes link that says the exact opposite of your claim, or did that one get memory holed like the rest of the Trump=pedo stack? I'm not getting involved in this weird back and forth you guys are doing. You don't have to get involved if you don't want to. I wish more people would do that before they dress up Trump was friends with Jeffrey Epstein as Trump was a pedo. It would be less embarrassing and it would involve much less backtracking.
I agree with you that merely pointing out Trump's friendship with Epstein isn't sufficient - on its own - to conclude Trump's pedophilia. Are people saying that that's the only thing they need to know to conclude that Trump is a pedophile? Are they saying that we don't even need to include all of Trump's documented inappropriate conduct towards actual children in the past - including the sexualization of minors that Trump has been recorded bragging about and that has been corroborated by others - and that simply being buddies with Epstein is enough evidence for them to conclude pedophilia?
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On June 21 2026 17:15 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2026 17:08 PoulsenB wrote:
Being friends with Epstein should automatically disqualify a person from being considered respectable, not to mention from holding any public office, in my opinion. I think it is theoretically possible that someone who was a friend of Epstein is not a bad person, and just really, really stupid, and didn't notice or understand any of what was going on. But then, that extreme lack of perception should probably also disqualify you from any position where you have real power.
Did he really have friends if he possibly was a Russian-Israeli asset.
The only reason he was able to move freely for so long was political protection. He was collecting people‘s balls for politicians protecting him to compromise them.
You are arguing from hindsight bias imo. One could conclude there were cult-like structures in politics that tried to create a parallel society where they could act out on the disorder, but reserved for wealthy/powerful people.
Said disorder has a fluctuating prevalence in populations, but it‘s not going to just disappear on its own, just like nobody chooses to be gay at birth. It‘s something that‘s always going to exist in societies. It‘s like a genetically imprinted defect that has a chance to manifest.
How severe it turns out to be depends on how conscientiously the individual acts.
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On June 21 2026 21:05 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2026 17:15 Simberto wrote:On June 21 2026 17:08 PoulsenB wrote:
Being friends with Epstein should automatically disqualify a person from being considered respectable, not to mention from holding any public office, in my opinion. I think it is theoretically possible that someone who was a friend of Epstein is not a bad person, and just really, really stupid, and didn't notice or understand any of what was going on. But then, that extreme lack of perception should probably also disqualify you from any position where you have real power. Did he really have friends if he possibly was a Russian-Israeli asset. The only reason he was able to move freely for so long was political protection. He was collecting people‘s balls for politicians protecting him to compromise them. You are arguing from hindsight bias imo. One could conclude there were cult-like structures in politics that tried to create a parallel society where they could act out on the disorder, but reserved for wealthy/powerful people. Said disorder has a fluctuating prevalence in populations, but it‘s not going to just disappear on its own, just like nobody chooses to be gay at birth. It‘s something that‘s always going to exist in societies. It‘s like a genetically imprinted defect that has a chance to manifest. How severe it turns out to be depends on how conscientiously the individual acts.
I think Simberto is talking about a hypothetical best-case scenario of a different hypothetical person, not suggesting that Trump is actually a good person who just accidentally got caught in the crossfire of an Epstein scandal.
Trump knows the kind of person that Epstein is, just like how Epstein knows the kind of person that Trump is.
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On June 21 2026 16:26 Geiko wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2026 15:36 dyhb wrote:On June 21 2026 15:23 EnDeR_ wrote:On June 21 2026 14:20 dyhb wrote:On June 21 2026 12:39 LightSpectra wrote:So around the same time Trump is photographed as buying a woman from Epstein, he finds out De Georgiou was sexually trafficked, and somehow saves her by not reporting her or Epstein/Maxwell to the police (?), instead continuing to be close friends with them for many more years and even bragging about loving women as young as Epstein likes to a magazine. Please keep going. This explanation is close enough to enriching weapons-grade retardium that Israel is about to bomb it. They really gotta do a better job with fake signatures. Seriously, it's not even good as a fake gag. You ever revisit the snopes link that says the exact opposite of your claim, or did that one get memory holed like the rest of the Trump=pedo stack? I'm not getting involved in this weird back and forth you guys are doing. You don't have to get involved if you don't want to. I wish more people would do that before they dress up Trump was friends with Jeffrey Epstein as Trump was a pedo. It would be less embarrassing and it would involve much less backtracking. But you didn't answer the questions right above what was quoted ? I wish more people would answer difficult questions instead of finding one sentence in a post to nitpick and ignoring the rest. That Trump was friends with Epstein doesn't automatically mean he's a pedo. However when you look at the evidence as a whole (likes walking in on underdressed minors, On June 21 2026 17:31 RenSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2026 15:36 dyhb wrote:On June 21 2026 15:23 EnDeR_ wrote:On June 21 2026 14:20 dyhb wrote:On June 21 2026 12:39 LightSpectra wrote:So around the same time Trump is photographed as buying a woman from Epstein, he finds out De Georgiou was sexually trafficked, and somehow saves her by not reporting her or Epstein/Maxwell to the police (?), instead continuing to be close friends with them for many more years and even bragging about loving women as young as Epstein likes to a magazine. Please keep going. This explanation is close enough to enriching weapons-grade retardium that Israel is about to bomb it. They really gotta do a better job with fake signatures. Seriously, it's not even good as a fake gag. You ever revisit the snopes link that says the exact opposite of your claim, or did that one get memory holed like the rest of the Trump=pedo stack? I'm not getting involved in this weird back and forth you guys are doing. You don't have to get involved if you don't want to. I wish more people would do that before they dress up Trump was friends with Jeffrey Epstein as Trump was a pedo. It would be less embarrassing and it would involve much less backtracking. Hi, purposely walking in on underage girls while they're getting changed so that you can take a peak would make you a pedo. Just like someone downloading naked pictures of underage girls from the internet is a pedo. You don't have to rape children to be a pedo. Trump has bragged about walking in on underage girls getting changed therefore he is a pedo. On June 21 2026 19:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2026 15:36 dyhb wrote:On June 21 2026 15:23 EnDeR_ wrote:On June 21 2026 14:20 dyhb wrote:On June 21 2026 12:39 LightSpectra wrote:So around the same time Trump is photographed as buying a woman from Epstein, he finds out De Georgiou was sexually trafficked, and somehow saves her by not reporting her or Epstein/Maxwell to the police (?), instead continuing to be close friends with them for many more years and even bragging about loving women as young as Epstein likes to a magazine. Please keep going. This explanation is close enough to enriching weapons-grade retardium that Israel is about to bomb it. They really gotta do a better job with fake signatures. Seriously, it's not even good as a fake gag. You ever revisit the snopes link that says the exact opposite of your claim, or did that one get memory holed like the rest of the Trump=pedo stack? I'm not getting involved in this weird back and forth you guys are doing. You don't have to get involved if you don't want to. I wish more people would do that before they dress up Trump was friends with Jeffrey Epstein as Trump was a pedo. It would be less embarrassing and it would involve much less backtracking. Trump has been recorded bragging about and that has been corroborated by others
My only response to all of this is a question: What was your issue with the Snopes article saying that this wasn't true? I clicked LightSpectra's link to see if it said anything new, and lo and behold, it disputes the claim was that he bragged about walking in on underage people undressing. Snopes goes through it to say "misrepresented a real comment he made to [Howard] Stern." Then some stuff on a dispute after Buzzfeed started asking about that particular event ~20 years later, 11 not recalling that it happened, 5 did, and most of the 11 were dubious or dismissed the possibility. And now I read two people saying Snopes got it wrong without a discussion, so what's this about?
The adult stuff evidence is overwhelming, and On June 21 2026 17:08 PoulsenB wrote:
Being friends with Epstein should automatically disqualify a person from being considered respectable, not to mention from holding any public office, in my opinion. thoroughly disqualifying if you have a basic moral requirement to vote someone into public office.
Everybody is perfectly welcome to infer that Trump is a pedophile from the cheating with adults and his behavior with adults and that time he called his daughter hot and he was friends with Epstein before the first indictment. As long as we're all clear on how that impacts saying "we know," and nobody is going around spouting misinformation like "he bragged" or Trump "constantly go to parties on pedo island." You can read back to posts where there's outright disinformation weaved among exaggeration, interpretation bias, poor evidence, and real facts. I'm interested in that final category, and a little quizzical at people that swallow all of those categories in one go.
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The ease with which people conclude Trump is a piece of trash is really not a mystery. It’s all right there and easy to see, and while folks might rush to some of the premises underlying that notion, the same can be said for virtually every central body of believers in a popular idea.
Telling anti trumpers to be more careful with their criticisms is silly relative to pretty much every mobilized political idea in the US.
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On June 21 2026 21:40 dyhb wrote:
My only response to all of this is a question
My question to you was a simple Yes or No question; it doesn't make sense to respond with a question.
You said that TL posters were insisting that Trump being Epstein's friend = Trump is a pedophile, and I asked you if that's truly the only thing people were citing for their conclusion that Trump is a pedophile.
If your answer is Yes - that some people on TL were actually saying what you accused them of saying, that Trump being Epstein's friend = Trump is a pedophile - then I imagine you could have just given an example of someone making that equation. If someone is saying that being friends with Epstein is sufficient enough to call that friend a pedophile, then please cite the TLer's post. As I wrote in the remainder of my post that you edited, I would disagree with that person's take, as I think that that friendship alone isn't enough and that more evidence is needed.
If the answer is No - that people on TL aren't really doing what you're accusing them of doing - then I imagine you'd either admit No or... avoid answering the question altogether.
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On June 21 2026 21:55 farvacola wrote:
The ease with which people conclude Trump is a piece of trash is really not a mystery. It’s all right there and easy to see, and while folks might rush to some of the premises underlying that notion, the same can be said for virtually every central body of believers in a popular idea.
Telling anti trumpers to be more careful with their criticisms is silly relative to pretty much every mobilized political idea in the US.
You don't even need to look at Trumps actions outside his political career to judge if he is a piece of trash. Just look at his political campaigns, his statements on social media and in interviews.
He is reasonable on some topics but overall a piece of trash.
If he did any of the many illegal things he is accused of isn't even worth discussing if we only discuss that simple topic. Those would just make him a criminal on top of being a piece of trash.
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On June 21 2026 21:55 farvacola wrote:
The ease with which people conclude Trump is a piece of trash is really not a mystery. It’s all right there and easy to see, and while folks might rush to some of the premises underlying that notion, the same can be said for virtually every central body of believers in a popular idea.
Telling anti trumpers to be more careful with their criticisms is silly relative to pretty much every mobilized political idea in the US. I agree with you that "mobilized political ideas" weave in lies pretty regularly for political benefit, and I want to stress that this is a partisan-agnostic.
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On June 21 2026 21:40 dyhb wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2026 16:26 Geiko wrote:On June 21 2026 15:36 dyhb wrote:On June 21 2026 15:23 EnDeR_ wrote:On June 21 2026 14:20 dyhb wrote:On June 21 2026 12:39 LightSpectra wrote:So around the same time Trump is photographed as buying a woman from Epstein, he finds out De Georgiou was sexually trafficked, and somehow saves her by not reporting her or Epstein/Maxwell to the police (?), instead continuing to be close friends with them for many more years and even bragging about loving women as young as Epstein likes to a magazine. Please keep going. This explanation is close enough to enriching weapons-grade retardium that Israel is about to bomb it. They really gotta do a better job with fake signatures. Seriously, it's not even good as a fake gag. You ever revisit the snopes link that says the exact opposite of your claim, or did that one get memory holed like the rest of the Trump=pedo stack? I'm not getting involved in this weird back and forth you guys are doing. You don't have to get involved if you don't want to. I wish more people would do that before they dress up Trump was friends with Jeffrey Epstein as Trump was a pedo. It would be less embarrassing and it would involve much less backtracking. But you didn't answer the questions right above what was quoted ? I wish more people would answer difficult questions instead of finding one sentence in a post to nitpick and ignoring the rest. That Trump was friends with Epstein doesn't automatically mean he's a pedo. However when you look at the evidence as a whole (likes walking in on underdressed minors, Show nested quote +On June 21 2026 17:31 RenSC2 wrote:On June 21 2026 15:36 dyhb wrote:On June 21 2026 15:23 EnDeR_ wrote:On June 21 2026 14:20 dyhb wrote:On June 21 2026 12:39 LightSpectra wrote:So around the same time Trump is photographed as buying a woman from Epstein, he finds out De Georgiou was sexually trafficked, and somehow saves her by not reporting her or Epstein/Maxwell to the police (?), instead continuing to be close friends with them for many more years and even bragging about loving women as young as Epstein likes to a magazine. Please keep going. This explanation is close enough to enriching weapons-grade retardium that Israel is about to bomb it. They really gotta do a better job with fake signatures. Seriously, it's not even good as a fake gag. You ever revisit the snopes link that says the exact opposite of your claim, or did that one get memory holed like the rest of the Trump=pedo stack? I'm not getting involved in this weird back and forth you guys are doing. You don't have to get involved if you don't want to. I wish more people would do that before they dress up Trump was friends with Jeffrey Epstein as Trump was a pedo. It would be less embarrassing and it would involve much less backtracking. Hi, purposely walking in on underage girls while they're getting changed so that you can take a peak would make you a pedo. Just like someone downloading naked pictures of underage girls from the internet is a pedo. You don't have to rape children to be a pedo. Trump has bragged about walking in on underage girls getting changed therefore he is a pedo. Show nested quote +On June 21 2026 19:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On June 21 2026 15:36 dyhb wrote:On June 21 2026 15:23 EnDeR_ wrote:On June 21 2026 14:20 dyhb wrote:On June 21 2026 12:39 LightSpectra wrote:So around the same time Trump is photographed as buying a woman from Epstein, he finds out De Georgiou was sexually trafficked, and somehow saves her by not reporting her or Epstein/Maxwell to the police (?), instead continuing to be close friends with them for many more years and even bragging about loving women as young as Epstein likes to a magazine. Please keep going. This explanation is close enough to enriching weapons-grade retardium that Israel is about to bomb it. They really gotta do a better job with fake signatures. Seriously, it's not even good as a fake gag. You ever revisit the snopes link that says the exact opposite of your claim, or did that one get memory holed like the rest of the Trump=pedo stack? I'm not getting involved in this weird back and forth you guys are doing. You don't have to get involved if you don't want to. I wish more people would do that before they dress up Trump was friends with Jeffrey Epstein as Trump was a pedo. It would be less embarrassing and it would involve much less backtracking. Trump has been recorded bragging about and that has been corroborated by others My only response to all of this is a question: What was your issue with the Snopes article saying that this wasn't true? I clicked LightSpectra's link to see if it said anything new, and lo and behold, it disputes the claim was that he bragged about walking in on underage people undressing. Snopes goes through it to say "misrepresented a real comment he made to [Howard] Stern." Then some stuff on a dispute after Buzzfeed started asking about that particular event ~20 years later, 11 not recalling that it happened, 5 did, and most of the 11 were dubious or dismissed the possibility. And now I read two people saying Snopes got it wrong without a discussion, so what's this about? The adult stuff evidence is overwhelming, and Show nested quote +On June 21 2026 17:08 PoulsenB wrote:
Being friends with Epstein should automatically disqualify a person from being considered respectable, not to mention from holding any public office, in my opinion. thoroughly disqualifying if you have a basic moral requirement to vote someone into public office. Everybody is perfectly welcome to infer that Trump is a pedophile from the cheating with adults and his behavior with adults and that time he called his daughter hot and he was friends with Epstein before the first indictment. As long as we're all clear on how that impacts saying "we know," and nobody is going around spouting misinformation like "he bragged" or Trump "constantly go to parties on pedo island." You can read back to posts where there's outright disinformation weaved among exaggeration, interpretation bias, poor evidence, and real facts. I'm interested in that final category, and a little quizzical at people that swallow all of those categories in one go.
So, here's the link dyhb is talking about: https://www.snopes.com/news/2024/07/08/trump-beauty-pageants-dressing-room/
He did read far enough to get to "The above quote in which he appeared to brag about walking in on Miss Teen USA contestants misrepresented a real comment he made to Stern."
But if you just go a bit further in this same article:
"It is clear that Trump himself boasted about entering contestant dressing rooms, but those comments occurred during a discussion about Miss USA and Miss Universe, not Miss Teen USA. However, real allegations from former contestants of both Miss Teen USA and Miss USA bolstered claims that Trump behaved inappropriately."
So Trump brags about walking in on nude contestants, and he's been accused of doing so to teen contestants, but he didn't explicitly brag about doing so to teen contestants. From this dyhb has concluded "the snopes link that says the exact opposite of your claim".
To put this into perspective, it's like saying someone isn't a "rapist-murderer because the people they raped and the people they murdered are different people" and extrapolating that into "they are neither a rapist or murderer."
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I don't how you can keep reading this fellas. There's nothing new to learn from or about the imbecile diddler and his swarm of troglodyte sycophants. Sure it's something that affects us all, but at some point we've exhausted everything remotely interesting there is to observe about these lifeforms, just go on and enjoy your day, have some ice cream.
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On June 21 2026 22:56 LightSpectra wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2026 21:40 dyhb wrote:On June 21 2026 16:26 Geiko wrote:On June 21 2026 15:36 dyhb wrote:On June 21 2026 15:23 EnDeR_ wrote:On June 21 2026 14:20 dyhb wrote:On June 21 2026 12:39 LightSpectra wrote:So around the same time Trump is photographed as buying a woman from Epstein, he finds out De Georgiou was sexually trafficked, and somehow saves her by not reporting her or Epstein/Maxwell to the police (?), instead continuing to be close friends with them for many more years and even bragging about loving women as young as Epstein likes to a magazine. Please keep going. This explanation is close enough to enriching weapons-grade retardium that Israel is about to bomb it. They really gotta do a better job with fake signatures. Seriously, it's not even good as a fake gag. You ever revisit the snopes link that says the exact opposite of your claim, or did that one get memory holed like the rest of the Trump=pedo stack? I'm not getting involved in this weird back and forth you guys are doing. You don't have to get involved if you don't want to. I wish more people would do that before they dress up Trump was friends with Jeffrey Epstein as Trump was a pedo. It would be less embarrassing and it would involve much less backtracking. But you didn't answer the questions right above what was quoted ? I wish more people would answer difficult questions instead of finding one sentence in a post to nitpick and ignoring the rest. That Trump was friends with Epstein doesn't automatically mean he's a pedo. However when you look at the evidence as a whole (likes walking in on underdressed minors, On June 21 2026 17:31 RenSC2 wrote:On June 21 2026 15:36 dyhb wrote:On June 21 2026 15:23 EnDeR_ wrote:On June 21 2026 14:20 dyhb wrote:On June 21 2026 12:39 LightSpectra wrote:So around the same time Trump is photographed as buying a woman from Epstein, he finds out De Georgiou was sexually trafficked, and somehow saves her by not reporting her or Epstein/Maxwell to the police (?), instead continuing to be close friends with them for many more years and even bragging about loving women as young as Epstein likes to a magazine. Please keep going. This explanation is close enough to enriching weapons-grade retardium that Israel is about to bomb it. They really gotta do a better job with fake signatures. Seriously, it's not even good as a fake gag. You ever revisit the snopes link that says the exact opposite of your claim, or did that one get memory holed like the rest of the Trump=pedo stack? I'm not getting involved in this weird back and forth you guys are doing. You don't have to get involved if you don't want to. I wish more people would do that before they dress up Trump was friends with Jeffrey Epstein as Trump was a pedo. It would be less embarrassing and it would involve much less backtracking. Hi, purposely walking in on underage girls while they're getting changed so that you can take a peak would make you a pedo. Just like someone downloading naked pictures of underage girls from the internet is a pedo. You don't have to rape children to be a pedo. Trump has bragged about walking in on underage girls getting changed therefore he is a pedo. On June 21 2026 19:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On June 21 2026 15:36 dyhb wrote:On June 21 2026 15:23 EnDeR_ wrote:On June 21 2026 14:20 dyhb wrote:On June 21 2026 12:39 LightSpectra wrote:So around the same time Trump is photographed as buying a woman from Epstein, he finds out De Georgiou was sexually trafficked, and somehow saves her by not reporting her or Epstein/Maxwell to the police (?), instead continuing to be close friends with them for many more years and even bragging about loving women as young as Epstein likes to a magazine. Please keep going. This explanation is close enough to enriching weapons-grade retardium that Israel is about to bomb it. They really gotta do a better job with fake signatures. Seriously, it's not even good as a fake gag. You ever revisit the snopes link that says the exact opposite of your claim, or did that one get memory holed like the rest of the Trump=pedo stack? I'm not getting involved in this weird back and forth you guys are doing. You don't have to get involved if you don't want to. I wish more people would do that before they dress up Trump was friends with Jeffrey Epstein as Trump was a pedo. It would be less embarrassing and it would involve much less backtracking. Trump has been recorded bragging about and that has been corroborated by others My only response to all of this is a question: What was your issue with the Snopes article saying that this wasn't true? I clicked LightSpectra's link to see if it said anything new, and lo and behold, it disputes the claim was that he bragged about walking in on underage people undressing. Snopes goes through it to say "misrepresented a real comment he made to [Howard] Stern." Then some stuff on a dispute after Buzzfeed started asking about that particular event ~20 years later, 11 not recalling that it happened, 5 did, and most of the 11 were dubious or dismissed the possibility. And now I read two people saying Snopes got it wrong without a discussion, so what's this about? The adult stuff evidence is overwhelming, and On June 21 2026 17:08 PoulsenB wrote:
Being friends with Epstein should automatically disqualify a person from being considered respectable, not to mention from holding any public office, in my opinion. thoroughly disqualifying if you have a basic moral requirement to vote someone into public office. Everybody is perfectly welcome to infer that Trump is a pedophile from the cheating with adults and his behavior with adults and that time he called his daughter hot and he was friends with Epstein before the first indictment. As long as we're all clear on how that impacts saying "we know," and nobody is going around spouting misinformation like "he bragged" or Trump "constantly go to parties on pedo island." You can read back to posts where there's outright disinformation weaved among exaggeration, interpretation bias, poor evidence, and real facts. I'm interested in that final category, and a little quizzical at people that swallow all of those categories in one go. So, here's the link dyhb is talking about: https://www.snopes.com/news/2024/07/08/trump-beauty-pageants-dressing-room/He did read far enough to get to "The above quote in which he appeared to brag about walking in on Miss Teen USA contestants misrepresented a real comment he made to Stern." But if you just go a bit further in this same article: "It is clear that Trump himself boasted about entering contestant dressing rooms, but those comments occurred during a discussion about Miss USA and Miss Universe, not Miss Teen USA. However, real allegations from former contestants of both Miss Teen USA and Miss USA bolstered claims that Trump behaved inappropriately." So Trump brags about walking in on nude contestants, and he's been accused of doing so to teen contestants, but he didn't explicitly brag about doing so to teen contestants. From this dyhb has concluded "the snopes link that says the exact opposite of your claim". To put this into perspective, it's like saying someone isn't a "rapist-murderer because the people they raped and the people they murdered are different people" and extrapolating that into "they are neither a rapist or murderer." LightSpectra may not have finished reading my post, which said "Then some stuff on a dispute after Buzzfeed started asking about that particular event ~20 years later, 11 not recalling that it happened, 5 did, and most of the 11 were dubious or dismissed the possibility."
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On June 21 2026 22:50 dyhb wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2026 21:55 farvacola wrote:
The ease with which people conclude Trump is a piece of trash is really not a mystery. It’s all right there and easy to see, and while folks might rush to some of the premises underlying that notion, the same can be said for virtually every central body of believers in a popular idea.
Telling anti trumpers to be more careful with their criticisms is silly relative to pretty much every mobilized political idea in the US. I agree with you that "mobilized political ideas" weave in lies pretty regularly for political benefit, and I want to stress that this is a partisan-agnostic.
Yes, people of any political affiliation can and do lie and spread misinformation, but this comes off as an equal-offender / all-sides-are-just-as-guilty statement, when in reality the frequency and severity of lies and misinformation are incredibly lopsided towards Republicans. It's not even close. It's like saying that climbing Mount Everest and climbing a flight of stairs are comparable because they're both increases in elevation.
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If you had a 15 year old daughter, would you feel safe with her going away for the weekend with Trump and friends?
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On June 21 2026 23:28 dyhb wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2026 22:56 LightSpectra wrote:On June 21 2026 21:40 dyhb wrote:On June 21 2026 16:26 Geiko wrote:On June 21 2026 15:36 dyhb wrote:On June 21 2026 15:23 EnDeR_ wrote:On June 21 2026 14:20 dyhb wrote:On June 21 2026 12:39 LightSpectra wrote:So around the same time Trump is photographed as buying a woman from Epstein, he finds out De Georgiou was sexually trafficked, and somehow saves her by not reporting her or Epstein/Maxwell to the police (?), instead continuing to be close friends with them for many more years and even bragging about loving women as young as Epstein likes to a magazine. Please keep going. This explanation is close enough to enriching weapons-grade retardium that Israel is about to bomb it. They really gotta do a better job with fake signatures. Seriously, it's not even good as a fake gag. You ever revisit the snopes link that says the exact opposite of your claim, or did that one get memory holed like the rest of the Trump=pedo stack? I'm not getting involved in this weird back and forth you guys are doing. You don't have to get involved if you don't want to. I wish more people would do that before they dress up Trump was friends with Jeffrey Epstein as Trump was a pedo. It would be less embarrassing and it would involve much less backtracking. But you didn't answer the questions right above what was quoted ? I wish more people would answer difficult questions instead of finding one sentence in a post to nitpick and ignoring the rest. That Trump was friends with Epstein doesn't automatically mean he's a pedo. However when you look at the evidence as a whole (likes walking in on underdressed minors, On June 21 2026 17:31 RenSC2 wrote:On June 21 2026 15:36 dyhb wrote:On June 21 2026 15:23 EnDeR_ wrote:On June 21 2026 14:20 dyhb wrote:On June 21 2026 12:39 LightSpectra wrote:So around the same time Trump is photographed as buying a woman from Epstein, he finds out De Georgiou was sexually trafficked, and somehow saves her by not reporting her or Epstein/Maxwell to the police (?), instead continuing to be close friends with them for many more years and even bragging about loving women as young as Epstein likes to a magazine. Please keep going. This explanation is close enough to enriching weapons-grade retardium that Israel is about to bomb it. They really gotta do a better job with fake signatures. Seriously, it's not even good as a fake gag. You ever revisit the snopes link that says the exact opposite of your claim, or did that one get memory holed like the rest of the Trump=pedo stack? I'm not getting involved in this weird back and forth you guys are doing. You don't have to get involved if you don't want to. I wish more people would do that before they dress up Trump was friends with Jeffrey Epstein as Trump was a pedo. It would be less embarrassing and it would involve much less backtracking. Hi, purposely walking in on underage girls while they're getting changed so that you can take a peak would make you a pedo. Just like someone downloading naked pictures of underage girls from the internet is a pedo. You don't have to rape children to be a pedo. Trump has bragged about walking in on underage girls getting changed therefore he is a pedo. On June 21 2026 19:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On June 21 2026 15:36 dyhb wrote:On June 21 2026 15:23 EnDeR_ wrote:On June 21 2026 14:20 dyhb wrote:On June 21 2026 12:39 LightSpectra wrote:So around the same time Trump is photographed as buying a woman from Epstein, he finds out De Georgiou was sexually trafficked, and somehow saves her by not reporting her or Epstein/Maxwell to the police (?), instead continuing to be close friends with them for many more years and even bragging about loving women as young as Epstein likes to a magazine. Please keep going. This explanation is close enough to enriching weapons-grade retardium that Israel is about to bomb it. They really gotta do a better job with fake signatures. Seriously, it's not even good as a fake gag. You ever revisit the snopes link that says the exact opposite of your claim, or did that one get memory holed like the rest of the Trump=pedo stack? I'm not getting involved in this weird back and forth you guys are doing. You don't have to get involved if you don't want to. I wish more people would do that before they dress up Trump was friends with Jeffrey Epstein as Trump was a pedo. It would be less embarrassing and it would involve much less backtracking. Trump has been recorded bragging about and that has been corroborated by others My only response to all of this is a question: What was your issue with the Snopes article saying that this wasn't true? I clicked LightSpectra's link to see if it said anything new, and lo and behold, it disputes the claim was that he bragged about walking in on underage people undressing. Snopes goes through it to say "misrepresented a real comment he made to [Howard] Stern." Then some stuff on a dispute after Buzzfeed started asking about that particular event ~20 years later, 11 not recalling that it happened, 5 did, and most of the 11 were dubious or dismissed the possibility. And now I read two people saying Snopes got it wrong without a discussion, so what's this about? The adult stuff evidence is overwhelming, and On June 21 2026 17:08 PoulsenB wrote:
Being friends with Epstein should automatically disqualify a person from being considered respectable, not to mention from holding any public office, in my opinion. thoroughly disqualifying if you have a basic moral requirement to vote someone into public office. Everybody is perfectly welcome to infer that Trump is a pedophile from the cheating with adults and his behavior with adults and that time he called his daughter hot and he was friends with Epstein before the first indictment. As long as we're all clear on how that impacts saying "we know," and nobody is going around spouting misinformation like "he bragged" or Trump "constantly go to parties on pedo island." You can read back to posts where there's outright disinformation weaved among exaggeration, interpretation bias, poor evidence, and real facts. I'm interested in that final category, and a little quizzical at people that swallow all of those categories in one go. So, here's the link dyhb is talking about: https://www.snopes.com/news/2024/07/08/trump-beauty-pageants-dressing-room/He did read far enough to get to "The above quote in which he appeared to brag about walking in on Miss Teen USA contestants misrepresented a real comment he made to Stern." But if you just go a bit further in this same article: "It is clear that Trump himself boasted about entering contestant dressing rooms, but those comments occurred during a discussion about Miss USA and Miss Universe, not Miss Teen USA. However, real allegations from former contestants of both Miss Teen USA and Miss USA bolstered claims that Trump behaved inappropriately." So Trump brags about walking in on nude contestants, and he's been accused of doing so to teen contestants, but he didn't explicitly brag about doing so to teen contestants. From this dyhb has concluded "the snopes link that says the exact opposite of your claim". To put this into perspective, it's like saying someone isn't a "rapist-murderer because the people they raped and the people they murdered are different people" and extrapolating that into "they are neither a rapist or murderer." LightSpectra may not have finished reading my post, which said "Then some stuff on a dispute after Buzzfeed started asking about that particular event ~20 years later, 11 not recalling that it happened, 5 did, and most of the 11 were dubious or dismissed the possibility."
I'm sorry, is that supposed to be a defense? I skipped over it because it sounded like an admission of Trump's guilt, but I would find it deeply funny if you were actually inventing a sexual abuse lifehack where you can get away with inappropriate behavior by doing it to so many people that some of them claim to not remember it later.
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On June 21 2026 23:22 Dan HH wrote:
I don't how you can keep reading this fellas. There's nothing new to learn from or about the imbecile diddler and his swarm of troglodyte sycophants. Sure it's something that affects us all, but at some point we've exhausted everything remotely interesting there is to observe about these lifeforms, just go on and enjoy your day, have some ice cream.
That‘s easy to say but sometimes they have arm extensions strategically placed around you which makes it hard to ignore.
There‘s no Don without a mob.
Cheeseburger goes in, pizzeria comes out, probably.
Like an underworld catalytic function.
If he‘s in the burger you get Tate as a bonus nugget (maybe).
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On June 21 2026 23:51 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2026 22:50 dyhb wrote:On June 21 2026 21:55 farvacola wrote:
The ease with which people conclude Trump is a piece of trash is really not a mystery. It’s all right there and easy to see, and while folks might rush to some of the premises underlying that notion, the same can be said for virtually every central body of believers in a popular idea.
Telling anti trumpers to be more careful with their criticisms is silly relative to pretty much every mobilized political idea in the US. I agree with you that "mobilized political ideas" weave in lies pretty regularly for political benefit, and I want to stress that this is a partisan-agnostic. Yes, people of any political affiliation can and do lie and spread misinformation, but this comes off as an equal-offender / all-sides-are-just-as-guilty statement, when in reality the frequency and severity of lies and misinformation are incredibly lopsided towards Republicans. It's not even close. It's like saying that climbing Mount Everest and climbing a flight of stairs are comparable because they're both increases in elevation. I fail to see how correcting misinformation that *helps my own side if everybody believed it* is unsayable because some portion of the audience is set off by anything that sounds like both-sides-ism. That's a license for lying. It might explain how these lies propagate, by making people too scared of being accused of both-sides-ism or Trump apologia for the crime of pointing it out.
On June 21 2026 23:51 LightSpectra wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2026 23:28 dyhb wrote:On June 21 2026 22:56 LightSpectra wrote:On June 21 2026 21:40 dyhb wrote:On June 21 2026 16:26 Geiko wrote:On June 21 2026 15:36 dyhb wrote:On June 21 2026 15:23 EnDeR_ wrote:On June 21 2026 14:20 dyhb wrote:On June 21 2026 12:39 LightSpectra wrote:So around the same time Trump is photographed as buying a woman from Epstein, he finds out De Georgiou was sexually trafficked, and somehow saves her by not reporting her or Epstein/Maxwell to the police (?), instead continuing to be close friends with them for many more years and even bragging about loving women as young as Epstein likes to a magazine. Please keep going. This explanation is close enough to enriching weapons-grade retardium that Israel is about to bomb it. They really gotta do a better job with fake signatures. Seriously, it's not even good as a fake gag. You ever revisit the snopes link that says the exact opposite of your claim, or did that one get memory holed like the rest of the Trump=pedo stack? I'm not getting involved in this weird back and forth you guys are doing. You don't have to get involved if you don't want to. I wish more people would do that before they dress up Trump was friends with Jeffrey Epstein as Trump was a pedo. It would be less embarrassing and it would involve much less backtracking. But you didn't answer the questions right above what was quoted ? I wish more people would answer difficult questions instead of finding one sentence in a post to nitpick and ignoring the rest. That Trump was friends with Epstein doesn't automatically mean he's a pedo. However when you look at the evidence as a whole (likes walking in on underdressed minors, On June 21 2026 17:31 RenSC2 wrote:On June 21 2026 15:36 dyhb wrote:On June 21 2026 15:23 EnDeR_ wrote:On June 21 2026 14:20 dyhb wrote:On June 21 2026 12:39 LightSpectra wrote:So around the same time Trump is photographed as buying a woman from Epstein, he finds out De Georgiou was sexually trafficked, and somehow saves her by not reporting her or Epstein/Maxwell to the police (?), instead continuing to be close friends with them for many more years and even bragging about loving women as young as Epstein likes to a magazine. Please keep going. This explanation is close enough to enriching weapons-grade retardium that Israel is about to bomb it. They really gotta do a better job with fake signatures. Seriously, it's not even good as a fake gag. You ever revisit the snopes link that says the exact opposite of your claim, or did that one get memory holed like the rest of the Trump=pedo stack? I'm not getting involved in this weird back and forth you guys are doing. You don't have to get involved if you don't want to. I wish more people would do that before they dress up Trump was friends with Jeffrey Epstein as Trump was a pedo. It would be less embarrassing and it would involve much less backtracking. Hi, purposely walking in on underage girls while they're getting changed so that you can take a peak would make you a pedo. Just like someone downloading naked pictures of underage girls from the internet is a pedo. You don't have to rape children to be a pedo. Trump has bragged about walking in on underage girls getting changed therefore he is a pedo. On June 21 2026 19:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On June 21 2026 15:36 dyhb wrote:On June 21 2026 15:23 EnDeR_ wrote:On June 21 2026 14:20 dyhb wrote:On June 21 2026 12:39 LightSpectra wrote:So around the same time Trump is photographed as buying a woman from Epstein, he finds out De Georgiou was sexually trafficked, and somehow saves her by not reporting her or Epstein/Maxwell to the police (?), instead continuing to be close friends with them for many more years and even bragging about loving women as young as Epstein likes to a magazine. Please keep going. This explanation is close enough to enriching weapons-grade retardium that Israel is about to bomb it. They really gotta do a better job with fake signatures. Seriously, it's not even good as a fake gag. You ever revisit the snopes link that says the exact opposite of your claim, or did that one get memory holed like the rest of the Trump=pedo stack? I'm not getting involved in this weird back and forth you guys are doing. You don't have to get involved if you don't want to. I wish more people would do that before they dress up Trump was friends with Jeffrey Epstein as Trump was a pedo. It would be less embarrassing and it would involve much less backtracking. Trump has been recorded bragging about and that has been corroborated by others My only response to all of this is a question: What was your issue with the Snopes article saying that this wasn't true? I clicked LightSpectra's link to see if it said anything new, and lo and behold, it disputes the claim was that he bragged about walking in on underage people undressing. Snopes goes through it to say "misrepresented a real comment he made to [Howard] Stern." Then some stuff on a dispute after Buzzfeed started asking about that particular event ~20 years later, 11 not recalling that it happened, 5 did, and most of the 11 were dubious or dismissed the possibility. And now I read two people saying Snopes got it wrong without a discussion, so what's this about? The adult stuff evidence is overwhelming, and On June 21 2026 17:08 PoulsenB wrote:
Being friends with Epstein should automatically disqualify a person from being considered respectable, not to mention from holding any public office, in my opinion. thoroughly disqualifying if you have a basic moral requirement to vote someone into public office. Everybody is perfectly welcome to infer that Trump is a pedophile from the cheating with adults and his behavior with adults and that time he called his daughter hot and he was friends with Epstein before the first indictment. As long as we're all clear on how that impacts saying "we know," and nobody is going around spouting misinformation like "he bragged" or Trump "constantly go to parties on pedo island." You can read back to posts where there's outright disinformation weaved among exaggeration, interpretation bias, poor evidence, and real facts. I'm interested in that final category, and a little quizzical at people that swallow all of those categories in one go. So, here's the link dyhb is talking about: https://www.snopes.com/news/2024/07/08/trump-beauty-pageants-dressing-room/He did read far enough to get to "The above quote in which he appeared to brag about walking in on Miss Teen USA contestants misrepresented a real comment he made to Stern." But if you just go a bit further in this same article: "It is clear that Trump himself boasted about entering contestant dressing rooms, but those comments occurred during a discussion about Miss USA and Miss Universe, not Miss Teen USA. However, real allegations from former contestants of both Miss Teen USA and Miss USA bolstered claims that Trump behaved inappropriately." So Trump brags about walking in on nude contestants, and he's been accused of doing so to teen contestants, but he didn't explicitly brag about doing so to teen contestants. From this dyhb has concluded "the snopes link that says the exact opposite of your claim". To put this into perspective, it's like saying someone isn't a "rapist-murderer because the people they raped and the people they murdered are different people" and extrapolating that into "they are neither a rapist or murderer." LightSpectra may not have finished reading my post, which said "Then some stuff on a dispute after Buzzfeed started asking about that particular event ~20 years later, 11 not recalling that it happened, 5 did, and most of the 11 were dubious or dismissed the possibility." I skipped over it Yes. It shows I read the article, and skipping over what I said lets you say I didn't read the article.
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On June 22 2026 00:34 dyhb wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2026 23:51 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On June 21 2026 22:50 dyhb wrote:On June 21 2026 21:55 farvacola wrote:
The ease with which people conclude Trump is a piece of trash is really not a mystery. It’s all right there and easy to see, and while folks might rush to some of the premises underlying that notion, the same can be said for virtually every central body of believers in a popular idea.
Telling anti trumpers to be more careful with their criticisms is silly relative to pretty much every mobilized political idea in the US. I agree with you that "mobilized political ideas" weave in lies pretty regularly for political benefit, and I want to stress that this is a partisan-agnostic. Yes, people of any political affiliation can and do lie and spread misinformation, but this comes off as an equal-offender / all-sides-are-just-as-guilty statement, when in reality the frequency and severity of lies and misinformation are incredibly lopsided towards Republicans. It's not even close. It's like saying that climbing Mount Everest and climbing a flight of stairs are comparable because they're both increases in elevation. I fail to see how correcting misinformation that *helps my own side if everybody believed it* is unsayable because some portion of the audience is set off by anything that sounds like both-sides-ism. That's a license for lying. It might explain how these lies propagate, by making people too scared of being accused of both-sides-ism or Trump apologia for the crime of pointing it out. Show nested quote +On June 21 2026 23:51 LightSpectra wrote:On June 21 2026 23:28 dyhb wrote:On June 21 2026 22:56 LightSpectra wrote:On June 21 2026 21:40 dyhb wrote:On June 21 2026 16:26 Geiko wrote:On June 21 2026 15:36 dyhb wrote:On June 21 2026 15:23 EnDeR_ wrote:On June 21 2026 14:20 dyhb wrote:On June 21 2026 12:39 LightSpectra wrote:So around the same time Trump is photographed as buying a woman from Epstein, he finds out De Georgiou was sexually trafficked, and somehow saves her by not reporting her or Epstein/Maxwell to the police (?), instead continuing to be close friends with them for many more years and even bragging about loving women as young as Epstein likes to a magazine. Please keep going. This explanation is close enough to enriching weapons-grade retardium that Israel is about to bomb it. They really gotta do a better job with fake signatures. Seriously, it's not even good as a fake gag. You ever revisit the snopes link that says the exact opposite of your claim, or did that one get memory holed like the rest of the Trump=pedo stack? I'm not getting involved in this weird back and forth you guys are doing. You don't have to get involved if you don't want to. I wish more people would do that before they dress up Trump was friends with Jeffrey Epstein as Trump was a pedo. It would be less embarrassing and it would involve much less backtracking. But you didn't answer the questions right above what was quoted ? I wish more people would answer difficult questions instead of finding one sentence in a post to nitpick and ignoring the rest. That Trump was friends with Epstein doesn't automatically mean he's a pedo. However when you look at the evidence as a whole (likes walking in on underdressed minors, On June 21 2026 17:31 RenSC2 wrote:On June 21 2026 15:36 dyhb wrote:On June 21 2026 15:23 EnDeR_ wrote:On June 21 2026 14:20 dyhb wrote:On June 21 2026 12:39 LightSpectra wrote:So around the same time Trump is photographed as buying a woman from Epstein, he finds out De Georgiou was sexually trafficked, and somehow saves her by not reporting her or Epstein/Maxwell to the police (?), instead continuing to be close friends with them for many more years and even bragging about loving women as young as Epstein likes to a magazine. Please keep going. This explanation is close enough to enriching weapons-grade retardium that Israel is about to bomb it. They really gotta do a better job with fake signatures. Seriously, it's not even good as a fake gag. You ever revisit the snopes link that says the exact opposite of your claim, or did that one get memory holed like the rest of the Trump=pedo stack? I'm not getting involved in this weird back and forth you guys are doing. You don't have to get involved if you don't want to. I wish more people would do that before they dress up Trump was friends with Jeffrey Epstein as Trump was a pedo. It would be less embarrassing and it would involve much less backtracking. Hi, purposely walking in on underage girls while they're getting changed so that you can take a peak would make you a pedo. Just like someone downloading naked pictures of underage girls from the internet is a pedo. You don't have to rape children to be a pedo. Trump has bragged about walking in on underage girls getting changed therefore he is a pedo. On June 21 2026 19:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On June 21 2026 15:36 dyhb wrote:On June 21 2026 15:23 EnDeR_ wrote:On June 21 2026 14:20 dyhb wrote:On June 21 2026 12:39 LightSpectra wrote:So around the same time Trump is photographed as buying a woman from Epstein, he finds out De Georgiou was sexually trafficked, and somehow saves her by not reporting her or Epstein/Maxwell to the police (?), instead continuing to be close friends with them for many more years and even bragging about loving women as young as Epstein likes to a magazine. Please keep going. This explanation is close enough to enriching weapons-grade retardium that Israel is about to bomb it. They really gotta do a better job with fake signatures. Seriously, it's not even good as a fake gag. You ever revisit the snopes link that says the exact opposite of your claim, or did that one get memory holed like the rest of the Trump=pedo stack? I'm not getting involved in this weird back and forth you guys are doing. You don't have to get involved if you don't want to. I wish more people would do that before they dress up Trump was friends with Jeffrey Epstein as Trump was a pedo. It would be less embarrassing and it would involve much less backtracking. Trump has been recorded bragging about and that has been corroborated by others My only response to all of this is a question: What was your issue with the Snopes article saying that this wasn't true? I clicked LightSpectra's link to see if it said anything new, and lo and behold, it disputes the claim was that he bragged about walking in on underage people undressing. Snopes goes through it to say "misrepresented a real comment he made to [Howard] Stern." Then some stuff on a dispute after Buzzfeed started asking about that particular event ~20 years later, 11 not recalling that it happened, 5 did, and most of the 11 were dubious or dismissed the possibility. And now I read two people saying Snopes got it wrong without a discussion, so what's this about? The adult stuff evidence is overwhelming, and On June 21 2026 17:08 PoulsenB wrote:
Being friends with Epstein should automatically disqualify a person from being considered respectable, not to mention from holding any public office, in my opinion. thoroughly disqualifying if you have a basic moral requirement to vote someone into public office. Everybody is perfectly welcome to infer that Trump is a pedophile from the cheating with adults and his behavior with adults and that time he called his daughter hot and he was friends with Epstein before the first indictment. As long as we're all clear on how that impacts saying "we know," and nobody is going around spouting misinformation like "he bragged" or Trump "constantly go to parties on pedo island." You can read back to posts where there's outright disinformation weaved among exaggeration, interpretation bias, poor evidence, and real facts. I'm interested in that final category, and a little quizzical at people that swallow all of those categories in one go. So, here's the link dyhb is talking about: https://www.snopes.com/news/2024/07/08/trump-beauty-pageants-dressing-room/He did read far enough to get to "The above quote in which he appeared to brag about walking in on Miss Teen USA contestants misrepresented a real comment he made to Stern." But if you just go a bit further in this same article: "It is clear that Trump himself boasted about entering contestant dressing rooms, but those comments occurred during a discussion about Miss USA and Miss Universe, not Miss Teen USA. However, real allegations from former contestants of both Miss Teen USA and Miss USA bolstered claims that Trump behaved inappropriately." So Trump brags about walking in on nude contestants, and he's been accused of doing so to teen contestants, but he didn't explicitly brag about doing so to teen contestants. From this dyhb has concluded "the snopes link that says the exact opposite of your claim". To put this into perspective, it's like saying someone isn't a "rapist-murderer because the people they raped and the people they murdered are different people" and extrapolating that into "they are neither a rapist or murderer." LightSpectra may not have finished reading my post, which said "Then some stuff on a dispute after Buzzfeed started asking about that particular event ~20 years later, 11 not recalling that it happened, 5 did, and most of the 11 were dubious or dismissed the possibility." I skipped over it Yes. It shows I read the article, and skipping over what I said lets you say I didn't read the article.
So what you’re saying is that it is really important for people to put the qualifier of “is extremely likely” to have had sex with underage girls and trafficked women. Rather than has had sex with underage girls and trafficked women.
I look forward to you using level of precision in all your posts.
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On June 22 2026 00:34 dyhb wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2026 23:51 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On June 21 2026 22:50 dyhb wrote:On June 21 2026 21:55 farvacola wrote:
The ease with which people conclude Trump is a piece of trash is really not a mystery. It’s all right there and easy to see, and while folks might rush to some of the premises underlying that notion, the same can be said for virtually every central body of believers in a popular idea.
Telling anti trumpers to be more careful with their criticisms is silly relative to pretty much every mobilized political idea in the US. I agree with you that "mobilized political ideas" weave in lies pretty regularly for political benefit, and I want to stress that this is a partisan-agnostic. Yes, people of any political affiliation can and do lie and spread misinformation, but this comes off as an equal-offender / all-sides-are-just-as-guilty statement, when in reality the frequency and severity of lies and misinformation are incredibly lopsided towards Republicans. It's not even close. It's like saying that climbing Mount Everest and climbing a flight of stairs are comparable because they're both increases in elevation. I fail
You can say that again, brother.
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On June 22 2026 01:50 Billyboy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 22 2026 00:34 dyhb wrote:On June 21 2026 23:51 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On June 21 2026 22:50 dyhb wrote:On June 21 2026 21:55 farvacola wrote:
The ease with which people conclude Trump is a piece of trash is really not a mystery. It’s all right there and easy to see, and while folks might rush to some of the premises underlying that notion, the same can be said for virtually every central body of believers in a popular idea.
Telling anti trumpers to be more careful with their criticisms is silly relative to pretty much every mobilized political idea in the US. I agree with you that "mobilized political ideas" weave in lies pretty regularly for political benefit, and I want to stress that this is a partisan-agnostic. Yes, people of any political affiliation can and do lie and spread misinformation, but this comes off as an equal-offender / all-sides-are-just-as-guilty statement, when in reality the frequency and severity of lies and misinformation are incredibly lopsided towards Republicans. It's not even close. It's like saying that climbing Mount Everest and climbing a flight of stairs are comparable because they're both increases in elevation. I fail to see how correcting misinformation that *helps my own side if everybody believed it* is unsayable because some portion of the audience is set off by anything that sounds like both-sides-ism. That's a license for lying. It might explain how these lies propagate, by making people too scared of being accused of both-sides-ism or Trump apologia for the crime of pointing it out. On June 21 2026 23:51 LightSpectra wrote:On June 21 2026 23:28 dyhb wrote:On June 21 2026 22:56 LightSpectra wrote:On June 21 2026 21:40 dyhb wrote:On June 21 2026 16:26 Geiko wrote:On June 21 2026 15:36 dyhb wrote:On June 21 2026 15:23 EnDeR_ wrote:On June 21 2026 14:20 dyhb wrote:
[quote]They really gotta do a better job with fake signatures. Seriously, it's not even good as a fake gag.
You ever revisit the snopes link that says the exact opposite of your claim, or did that one get memory holed like the rest of the Trump=pedo stack? I'm not getting involved in this weird back and forth you guys are doing. You don't have to get involved if you don't want to. I wish more people would do that before they dress up Trump was friends with Jeffrey Epstein as Trump was a pedo. It would be less embarrassing and it would involve much less backtracking. But you didn't answer the questions right above what was quoted ? I wish more people would answer difficult questions instead of finding one sentence in a post to nitpick and ignoring the rest. That Trump was friends with Epstein doesn't automatically mean he's a pedo. However when you look at the evidence as a whole (likes walking in on underdressed minors, On June 21 2026 17:31 RenSC2 wrote:On June 21 2026 15:36 dyhb wrote:On June 21 2026 15:23 EnDeR_ wrote:On June 21 2026 14:20 dyhb wrote:
[quote]They really gotta do a better job with fake signatures. Seriously, it's not even good as a fake gag.
You ever revisit the snopes link that says the exact opposite of your claim, or did that one get memory holed like the rest of the Trump=pedo stack? I'm not getting involved in this weird back and forth you guys are doing. You don't have to get involved if you don't want to. I wish more people would do that before they dress up Trump was friends with Jeffrey Epstein as Trump was a pedo. It would be less embarrassing and it would involve much less backtracking. Hi, purposely walking in on underage girls while they're getting changed so that you can take a peak would make you a pedo. Just like someone downloading naked pictures of underage girls from the internet is a pedo. You don't have to rape children to be a pedo. Trump has bragged about walking in on underage girls getting changed therefore he is a pedo. On June 21 2026 19:55 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On June 21 2026 15:36 dyhb wrote:On June 21 2026 15:23 EnDeR_ wrote:On June 21 2026 14:20 dyhb wrote:
[quote]They really gotta do a better job with fake signatures. Seriously, it's not even good as a fake gag.
You ever revisit the snopes link that says the exact opposite of your claim, or did that one get memory holed like the rest of the Trump=pedo stack? I'm not getting involved in this weird back and forth you guys are doing. You don't have to get involved if you don't want to. I wish more people would do that before they dress up Trump was friends with Jeffrey Epstein as Trump was a pedo. It would be less embarrassing and it would involve much less backtracking. Trump has been recorded bragging about and that has been corroborated by others My only response to all of this is a question: What was your issue with the Snopes article saying that this wasn't true? I clicked LightSpectra's link to see if it said anything new, and lo and behold, it disputes the claim was that he bragged about walking in on underage people undressing. Snopes goes through it to say "misrepresented a real comment he made to [Howard] Stern." Then some stuff on a dispute after Buzzfeed started asking about that particular event ~20 years later, 11 not recalling that it happened, 5 did, and most of the 11 were dubious or dismissed the possibility. And now I read two people saying Snopes got it wrong without a discussion, so what's this about? The adult stuff evidence is overwhelming, and On June 21 2026 17:08 PoulsenB wrote:
Being friends with Epstein should automatically disqualify a person from being considered respectable, not to mention from holding any public office, in my opinion. thoroughly disqualifying if you have a basic moral requirement to vote someone into public office. Everybody is perfectly welcome to infer that Trump is a pedophile from the cheating with adults and his behavior with adults and that time he called his daughter hot and he was friends with Epstein before the first indictment. As long as we're all clear on how that impacts saying "we know," and nobody is going around spouting misinformation like "he bragged" or Trump "constantly go to parties on pedo island." You can read back to posts where there's outright disinformation weaved among exaggeration, interpretation bias, poor evidence, and real facts. I'm interested in that final category, and a little quizzical at people that swallow all of those categories in one go. So, here's the link dyhb is talking about: https://www.snopes.com/news/2024/07/08/trump-beauty-pageants-dressing-room/He did read far enough to get to "The above quote in which he appeared to brag about walking in on Miss Teen USA contestants misrepresented a real comment he made to Stern." But if you just go a bit further in this same article: "It is clear that Trump himself boasted about entering contestant dressing rooms, but those comments occurred during a discussion about Miss USA and Miss Universe, not Miss Teen USA. However, real allegations from former contestants of both Miss Teen USA and Miss USA bolstered claims that Trump behaved inappropriately." So Trump brags about walking in on nude contestants, and he's been accused of doing so to teen contestants, but he didn't explicitly brag about doing so to teen contestants. From this dyhb has concluded "the snopes link that says the exact opposite of your claim". To put this into perspective, it's like saying someone isn't a "rapist-murderer because the people they raped and the people they murdered are different people" and extrapolating that into "they are neither a rapist or murderer." LightSpectra may not have finished reading my post, which said "Then some stuff on a dispute after Buzzfeed started asking about that particular event ~20 years later, 11 not recalling that it happened, 5 did, and most of the 11 were dubious or dismissed the possibility." I skipped over it Yes. It shows I read the article, and skipping over what I said lets you say I didn't read the article. So what you’re saying is that it is really important for people to put the qualifier of “is extremely likely” to have had sex with underage girls and trafficked women. Rather than has had sex with underage girls and trafficked women. I look forward to you using level of precision in all your posts.
I think it's just "I know" and "he definitely went in to underage miss USA pageant changing rooms to see naked kids" instead of "I believe" and "There are reports that he (went into underage etcetc)".
It's a thin level of truth monitor, but fair enough imo.
-e- LightSpectra are you under contractual obligation to be a dick, or is it just for funsies?
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