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On June 08 2026 06:48 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2026 05:32 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:On June 08 2026 04:55 Razyda wrote:On June 07 2026 06:30 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:
As a point to the discussion earlier I think I've seen posts about the teenager in England being stabbed on r/conservative every day the last week, and there are multiple posts about it if you scroll for like 30 seconds.
I realize it's a sad story with some pretty fucked up behaviour from the cops but and it's national news in the UK. But it's still not normal to have that much focus on something that happened in another country (a year ago and the murder has been sentenced). To be fair it is kinda like in this very thread, I think most of the posters is not from US. And police went above and beyond any reason with this one. I think most posters are probably from India, China, Russia and related countries so that checks out.  I agree the police fucked up really bad. At the same time the racist angle that US politicians are going for doesn't hold any water. From the police officers perspective they have a people calling that they have been attacked and that there were no weapons involved. These guys are calm and collected. They reach the scene and they have an agitated person, drunk who supposedly just took a beating. Dark clothes, not easy to spot blood or stab wounds. He says he's been stabbed and they should have checked but I imagine "Officer I've been ..." is something they probably hear every day when arresting drunk people. There are a lot of things they could, and should have done different but to me it doesn't feel like 2 tier policing and while it's sad the kid died in handcuffs he was dead at that point and there wasn't anything the police could do about it even if they tried. It's fucked that the murderer didn't get cuffed but he did go to jail for 20+ years. I think there are other cases where a suspect has said "I can't breathe" to police officers that are worse because the police actually killed the suspect themselves. I suspect most posters on r/conservative would not agree. Do you seriously believe that if it would be few white people claiming racial abuse standing over black guy repeating he was stabbed, police would cuff black guy without hesitation (we are talking UK today, noy US in 1840)? Part of the grooming gang scandal was that people were afraid of accusation of racism. As for racist angle: https://www.npcc.police.uk/SysSiteAssets/media/downloads/our-work/race-action-plan/police-anti-racism-commitment.pdfProducing equality of policing outcomes for people from different ethnic groups by responding to individuals and communities according to their specific needs, circumstances and experiences, with understanding that these will be racialised and with the aim of reducing harm. It does not mean treating everyone ‘the same’ or being ‘colour blind’ (racial
equality).What do you expect if NPCC produces such document???
Aye man it’s just fucking awful being a straight white bloke living in the UK, frankly I’m impressed with myself that I haven’t hung myself yet.
Most of these measures are attempts to redresss inequal standards in things like policing historically.
Oh noes not the grooming scandal which has been fucking subject to multiple inquiries and adjustments to policies because of obvious failures in both policing and social service policy.
Half the people frothing at the mouth about grooming gangs don’t give a singular fuck about sexual assault, they’re just mad it was a bit of brown on white action. If it doesn’t involve a Muslim it’ll circle back to ‘was she dressed proactively’ or ‘was she drunk’ or whatever.
Like Jesus spare me the false outrage
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On June 08 2026 08:04 Razyda wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2026 07:14 Jockmcplop wrote:
This was a horrific incident that the racist right has decided to exploit as hard as they possibly can to try and convince the world that UK cops hate white people, despite most police forces in the UK being found to be more likely to be racist against literally anyone except white people.
I didnt say UK cops hate white people, as a matter of fact I think they have short end of the stick. Whatever they do there will be either right or left wing press jumping on them. Show nested quote +On June 08 2026 07:14 Jockmcplop wrote:
or involved higher ups making decisions having thought about those decisions, you could maybe make an argument about some kind of systemic issue here.
Who exactly do you think wrote the document i linked above?
So I'm to assume you think that kind of document is evil, or at least extremely misguided, is that right?
The problem imho is that we are in a very complex situation requiring complex solutions to try and correct systemic issues. simply treating everyone identically is not only a way to ignore the systemic issues that already exist, but makes absolutely no sense to begin with.
As a cop, you have to be aware of the context and circumstances that you are doing your job in. That includes bigger societal trends such as being aware of our justice system's flaws. Now the document doesn't say that cops should ignore people who say they've been stabbed, but only if they are white. It doesn't even remotely come close to suggesting that, that is more of a common sense thing. Its case where the cops can either use good judgement or bad judgement, but neither has anything to do with skin colour or race, and is much more likely to be about the kind of attitude they are greeted on the scene with, who is complaining about what, and what the cops intuitively believe has happened at the scene.
They fucked up, and bad, because their judgement was bad. Presented with a set of claims in front of them, they believed the untrue ones and didn't believe the true ones and the consequences were huge, but I don't understand how anyone can claim race comes into it even for a second.
Basically, that document is not related to what happened in this case.
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On June 08 2026 06:38 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On June 08 2026 06:33 Godwrath wrote:On June 08 2026 01:05 dyhb wrote:On June 07 2026 17:20 Godwrath wrote:On June 07 2026 15:23 dyhb wrote:On June 07 2026 13:16 Billyboy wrote:On June 07 2026 07:53 dyhb wrote:On June 07 2026 05:39 Introvert wrote:
I said if he's a fascist Dems should have been willing to make steep compromises. Their unwillingness belies their rhetoric. But I still say if one was trying to defeat a fascist they would soften they policy stances to try and prevent said fascist from winning. That might be the most stark example of being a "moderate." It's a fair point, and one of the aspects I hope the Democrats use to win in 2028. If the country is crashing down, and through this country the world, then almost any compromise to pick up more in the middle is Priority #1. If this is politics as usual, and you want a bigger victory through unabashed support for numbers 1 through 20 of progressive policy goals (a win and a mandate), then continue acting as I observe. I want Trump gone and (likely) Vance defeated, and I want Democrats to moderate in order to make that a resounding victory. Sorry if you think it's just so unfair to pivot for an election win. You're dealing with the electorate that exists, not the one you think you deserve. What do you specifically mean by moderate though? Like what was Harris doing that was so wild? She was basically going to be more Biden, who was famously moderate, often making deals with the Republicans to the chagrin of the American Leftist. What, other than right wing media yelling about it, made Harris radical? I'd really ask you if you know what compromise means, and if you can observe the tension that I'm pointing out in the post. You'll notice that you're bringing Kamala to the discussion, not I. And perhaps you meant to reply to a post about Kamala and radicalism. I am not trying to sound snarky here, have you thought that If you truly want Trump and Vance gone, maybe it's about time you start compromising.? That's precisely the point of my post. You're unwilling to compromise on the progressive agenda to defeat Trump, so you are happy enough to see Trump's VP elected. I'm saying run honestly on progressive positions regarding the economy, trade, and parts of foreign policy, but take positions against much of the rest. I'll vote for that, merely because it would be worth stopping Trump-populism in the form of Vance. You haven't identified any compromise you're willing to entertain, so perhaps you are just asking that in others and getting ready to blame that in others. can you define what policies should we compromise to be against to ? Like out loud. I will be honest, the whole pandering to the "centrista" voterbase has proven over and over to be just akin to roll over and just lose. So maybe you should make a compelling case on why this time is going to work against right wing populism other than just your word on it. I also love the framing that Trumpism is basically inevitable. The only way not to get Trump is to become Trump yourself by "compromising" by giving the insane fascists everything they might possibly want. Because surely then they will vote for you. And only giving them some things just proves that you are not "compromising" hard enough.
Accurate.
If you don't give it to them, they'll just find a way to get it anyway while pretending to give a shit about laws.
With Bezos helping out a bit here and there.
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