EPTto actually feel the dread that certain rules that come with being human apply to them might be enough punishment for their vainglorious sensibilities.
Thiel's blood boy as POTUS in the wings though, not catching any breaks here.
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Doublemint
Austria8760 Posts
to actually feel the dread that certain rules that come with being human apply to them might be enough punishment for their vainglorious sensibilities. Thiel's blood boy as POTUS in the wings though, not catching any breaks here. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10961 Posts
On September 02 2025 23:01 LightSpectra wrote: Federal judge finds deploying National Guard to California was a violation of posse comitatus: https://www.cnbc.com/2025/09/02/trump-national-guard-california-newsom.html So, now surely Trump will be impeached and removed from office? Isn't that whats supposed to happen in such cases? Or what is the actual plan? What if he keeps doing it and his goons follow him and not some "partisan judges" or whatever? | ||
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LightSpectra
United States3280 Posts
On September 02 2025 23:26 Velr wrote: So, now surely Trump will be impeached and removed from office? Isn't that whats supposed to happen in such cases? Or what is the actual plan? What if he keeps doing it and his goons follow him and not some "partisan judges" or whatever? There is a less than 1% chance Senate Republicans agree to convict and remove Trump, so I wouldn't even bother fantasizing about that scenario. Assuming no successful appeal, that means the federal court will order the National Guard to immediately cease any activities that pertain to posse comitatus. If Hegseth or Trump attempted to override the order, we'd firmly be in a civil war-tier Constitutional crisis because the officers of the NG would have to decide which branch to follow to not undermine their oaths. If Trump was convinced that most National Guardsmen were brainwashed Republican cultists that would slavishly obey him, it is likely he would attempt to override the court. But, considering TACO, he'll probably back down and brag that he won despite the court order. | ||
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Simberto
Germany12021 Posts
On September 02 2025 23:45 LightSpectra wrote: There is a less than 1% chance Senate Republicans agree to convict and remove Trump, so I wouldn't even bother fantasizing about that scenario. Assuming no successful appeal, that means the federal court will order the National Guard to immediately cease any activities that pertain to posse comitatus. If Hegseth or Trump attempted to override the order, we'd firmly be in a civil war-tier Constitutional crisis because the officers of the NG would have to decide which branch to follow to not undermine their oaths. If Trump was convinced that most National Guardsmen were brainwashed Republican cultists that would slavishly obey him, it is likely he would attempt to override the court. But, considering TACO, he'll probably back down and brag that he won despite the court order. And then Trump can do the same thing, or another similarly illegal thing, three days later. So basically, as long as republicans cover Trumps ass, he gets a free one-off for breaking the law in a specific way every time. | ||
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LightSpectra
United States3280 Posts
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KwarK
United States44361 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States24377 Posts
Do regular people in New England or the Midwest even give a shit if the US was 2-4 countries instead of 1 any more? Suppose they do, enough to fight a war over it? I get the sense no one here would fight to preserve the constitutional union for the sake of "The American Experiment" if any section of the US wanted to secede. | ||
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Simberto
Germany12021 Posts
On September 03 2025 02:02 GreenHorizons wrote: In the lead up to the US's first civil war there seemed to be a palpable desire beyond Lincoln to keep everyone in the Union. Do regular people in New England or the Midwest even give a shit if the US was 2-4 countries instead of 1 any more? Suppose they do, enough to fight a war over it? I get the sense no one here would fight to preserve the constitutional union for the sake of "The American Experiment" if any section of the US wanted to secede. I think the idea of just letting the republicans have their own christian sharia hellhole is pretty attractive if it allows the sane half of the US to have actually sensible politics. It at least sounds like a somewhat possible way to get out of the horrific status quo. Of course, republicans probably won't let their cash cows go without a fight. | ||
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Billyboy
2476 Posts
On September 02 2025 06:41 LightSpectra wrote: Rudy Giuliani is getting the Presidential Medal of Freedom. Reminder that in the filming of Borat 2 he started masturbating in front of a woman he was told was 15 years old. This is a strange one even for Trump, maybe he is back to being "cool" again but I thought he had fallen out even to the right wing. Also, with the right being so mad about Epstein list and even being the first thing to stick to Trump. Why do guys like Gaetz, who it is completely proven he paid for sex with a underage girl get a pass? Is it the island that bugs Maga people or what? @oBlade Why is Gaetz still "cool"? | ||
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RenSC2
United States1098 Posts
On September 03 2025 02:16 Billyboy wrote: This is a strange one even for Trump, maybe he is back to being "cool" again but I thought he had fallen out even to the right wing. Also, with the right being so mad about Epstein list and even being the first thing to stick to Trump. Why do guys like Gaetz, who it is completely proven he paid for sex with a underage girl get a pass? Is it the island that bugs Maga people or what? @oBlade Why is Gaetz still "cool"? I think a large part of it is that "the cover-up is bigger than the crime". I honestly think at the beginning of the Epstein scandal, if Trump had come out and said, "Yeah, I banged 15 year olds. So what? The lying media is just jealous and they wish they had too." the majority of his fanbase would give him a pass. As long as his crimes are out in the open, his fans don't care. It's only when he tries to hide his scandals that they turn on him. If it's hidden, then it must be nefarious. If it's out in the open, then it must be fine. People have stopped caring about objective truth and their sense of morality is warped. | ||
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LightSpectra
United States3280 Posts
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Jankisa
Croatia1765 Posts
On September 03 2025 02:09 Simberto wrote: I think the idea of just letting the republicans have their own christian sharia hellhole is pretty attractive if it allows the sane half of the US to have actually sensible politics. It at least sounds like a somewhat possible way to get out of the horrific status quo. Of course, republicans probably won't let their cash cows go without a fight. Honestly this scenario kind of looks like the best case outcome of the whole thing, let Texas & their merry band of red states in the middle pal around cosplaying "real America" and have California, New York and the rest of the coastal US form a new union. Unfortunately, this would only happen if the current situation keeps spiraling which means that Trump or his chosen successor would be in power. To me, it's been bared very much true during the California "riots" situation when "reasonable" republican Introvert explained how Trump is sending in the troops to "protect the Sovereignty" of USA and compared him to Lincoln that these guys would be very happy to send in the troops to quell down any secessionist sentiments from any of these governors, and given how much "American patriotism" has been ingrained into the vast majority of Americans I fear that even if there was popular support in these states to go their own way most of the rest of the USA would be happy to see them bombed for trying. At that point, the "Civil war" movie is basically how I'd imagine that going, perhaps by the end of it the richer and better organized states would prevail, but the cost would be insane and I doubt whatever is left after it would even want to call it self USA. | ||
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LightSpectra
United States3280 Posts
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Dan HH
Romania9246 Posts
On September 03 2025 02:16 Billyboy wrote: Also, with the right being so mad about Epstein list and even being the first thing to stick to Trump. Why do guys like Gaetz, who it is completely proven he paid for sex with a underage girl get a pass? Is it the island that bugs Maga people or what? Why would people that are against empathy and for hierarchy give a shit about a 15 year old being used for sexual gratification by her betters? Their world view would be inconsistent if that's what bothered them. As LightSpectra said, the only reason MAGAs cared about the Epstein story is because they were told their enemies would get in trouble over it. | ||
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Vivax
22415 Posts
Man can‘t believe I ever believed anything coming out of the US. Sounds like a bomb constipation issue. I wonder if it escalates. Ukraine for Venezuela type of trade with the Russians maybe ? | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27462 Posts
On September 03 2025 09:42 Vivax wrote: Is shooting down vessels at Venezuela because they could carry drugs somehow the new humanitarian standard of dealing with the issue ? Man can‘t believe I ever believed anything coming out of the US. Sounds like a bomb constipation issue. I can’t say the US’ policy in general has always been aligned with my politics, but this really is a new level of shitshow. There’s something that would have been a genuine fractious scandal under previous administrations, almost daily. Sometimes more frequently. Sometimes it’s not even that, but just outright something that wouldn’t have happened full stop. Haven’t been sort of following much lately, dipped into the BBC’s ‘America and Canada’ section of their news website to pop in and see what’s up. We got this, we got a bunch of CDC folks writing an open letter about RFK not being fit for purpose. We’ve the Trump family apparently being in line for a big crypto windfall (only the mere 3.5 billion if they cash out now apparently. Rudy Giuliani getting the highest civilian honour in the land. We’ve got the admin trying to squash Voice of America and its various offshoots into being functionally useless and incapable of actual journalism. An expansion of restrictions of Palestinian ‘nationals’ to travel to the US, unless they possess another passport. Oh and a Federal Judge ruling that Trump has deployed the National Guard illegally. That’s like, a few articles I dipped into from the last two days. The cadence is scarcely believable and shows few signs of abating any time soon. One quite persistent factor is the sheer, pungent smell of absolute bullshit that tends to spout from Trump or his acolytes in either their given rationales, or response to criticism. It’s completely mental. Now (Iraq obviously, but not exclusively), America, like all other nations was never some paragon of morals and veracity, but the current lay of the land really does feel different. I might not have liked what x American institution was saying at any particular juncture, but I generally believed it to some degree. This epoch is just tinpot dysfunction | ||
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Vivax
22415 Posts
The reason (some?) US billionaires need Europe to string along with the fascist alignment might be to avoid getting an image problem at home. ‚Hey look everyone‘s doing it‘ | ||
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Shinokuki
United States924 Posts
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Vivax
22415 Posts
On September 03 2025 10:42 Shinokuki wrote: Genuinely curious but is fascism good for billionares? Sure is. It insures their property against the violence of impoverished mobs. It doesn‘t insure the aliens property, whatever they may declare the alien to be. | ||
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Shinokuki
United States924 Posts
On September 03 2025 10:43 Vivax wrote: Sure is. It insures their property against the violence of impoverished mobs. It doesn‘t insure the aliens property, whatever they may declare the alien to be. I'm curious as to what the set up looks like in Russia and China and if the oligarchs/billionares are also secured there? It seems like they may get axed asap if they piss of the dictator. I could be wrong but do they not want a dictator though but rather extremely dumb population | ||
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