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BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
January 26 2025 21:03 GMT
#94401
On January 27 2025 04:07 Magic Powers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2025 03:30 BlackJack wrote:
Read the quote tree if you've already forgotten what your claim was


Feel free to quote the part.


https://tl.net/forum/general/532255-us-politics-mega-thread?page=4719#94374

It's my last post. The first paragraph explains why your conclusion was faulty. The 2nd paragraph explains why even if your conclusion wasn't faulty it's not a great argument.
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4478 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-01-26 21:49:58
January 26 2025 21:49 GMT
#94402
On January 27 2025 06:03 BlackJack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2025 04:07 Magic Powers wrote:
On January 27 2025 03:30 BlackJack wrote:
Read the quote tree if you've already forgotten what your claim was


Feel free to quote the part.


https://tl.net/forum/general/532255-us-politics-mega-thread?page=4719#94374

It's my last post. The first paragraph explains why your conclusion was faulty. The 2nd paragraph explains why even if your conclusion wasn't faulty it's not a great argument.


What conclusion exactly is faulty? If I state incorrectly that the 25% applies to an entire industry, and instead it applies to one company, nothing about the argument changes at its core.

"Their working paper, published this month and titled "A Discrimination Report Card," found that the typical employer called back the presumably white applicants around 9% more than Black ones. That number rose to roughly 24% for the worst offenders."

Heck, racism is solved because it's not the whole industry. Thank you BJ for correcting me on a fundamental falsehood. Wait, what? You consider racism debunked because of THIS?
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
January 27 2025 01:08 GMT
#94403
On January 27 2025 06:49 Magic Powers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2025 06:03 BlackJack wrote:
On January 27 2025 04:07 Magic Powers wrote:
On January 27 2025 03:30 BlackJack wrote:
Read the quote tree if you've already forgotten what your claim was


Feel free to quote the part.


https://tl.net/forum/general/532255-us-politics-mega-thread?page=4719#94374

It's my last post. The first paragraph explains why your conclusion was faulty. The 2nd paragraph explains why even if your conclusion wasn't faulty it's not a great argument.


What conclusion exactly is faulty? If I state incorrectly that the 25% applies to an entire industry, and instead it applies to one company, nothing about the argument changes at its core.

"Their working paper, published this month and titled "A Discrimination Report Card," found that the typical employer called back the presumably white applicants around 9% more than Black ones. That number rose to roughly 24% for the worst offenders."

Heck, racism is solved because it's not the whole industry. Thank you BJ for correcting me on a fundamental falsehood. Wait, what? You consider racism debunked because of THIS?


Glad you’re acknowledging your mistake but I think the proper protocol is a “my bad, thanks for the info, BJ” instead of a “You consider racism debunked because of this?”
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4478 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-01-27 01:45:40
January 27 2025 01:44 GMT
#94404
On January 27 2025 10:08 BlackJack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2025 06:49 Magic Powers wrote:
On January 27 2025 06:03 BlackJack wrote:
On January 27 2025 04:07 Magic Powers wrote:
On January 27 2025 03:30 BlackJack wrote:
Read the quote tree if you've already forgotten what your claim was


Feel free to quote the part.


https://tl.net/forum/general/532255-us-politics-mega-thread?page=4719#94374

It's my last post. The first paragraph explains why your conclusion was faulty. The 2nd paragraph explains why even if your conclusion wasn't faulty it's not a great argument.


What conclusion exactly is faulty? If I state incorrectly that the 25% applies to an entire industry, and instead it applies to one company, nothing about the argument changes at its core.

"Their working paper, published this month and titled "A Discrimination Report Card," found that the typical employer called back the presumably white applicants around 9% more than Black ones. That number rose to roughly 24% for the worst offenders."

Heck, racism is solved because it's not the whole industry. Thank you BJ for correcting me on a fundamental falsehood. Wait, what? You consider racism debunked because of THIS?


Glad you’re acknowledging your mistake but I think the proper protocol is a “my bad, thanks for the info, BJ” instead of a “You consider racism debunked because of this?”


Yes, I do in fact acknowledge my mistakes. And no, I won't say thanks because you misrepresented the information with the 9% claim. I will say thanks if you acknowledge that your version was a misrepresentation of the findings.
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-01-27 02:46:05
January 27 2025 02:40 GMT
#94405
On January 27 2025 10:44 Magic Powers wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2025 10:08 BlackJack wrote:
On January 27 2025 06:49 Magic Powers wrote:
On January 27 2025 06:03 BlackJack wrote:
On January 27 2025 04:07 Magic Powers wrote:
On January 27 2025 03:30 BlackJack wrote:
Read the quote tree if you've already forgotten what your claim was


Feel free to quote the part.


https://tl.net/forum/general/532255-us-politics-mega-thread?page=4719#94374

It's my last post. The first paragraph explains why your conclusion was faulty. The 2nd paragraph explains why even if your conclusion wasn't faulty it's not a great argument.


What conclusion exactly is faulty? If I state incorrectly that the 25% applies to an entire industry, and instead it applies to one company, nothing about the argument changes at its core.

"Their working paper, published this month and titled "A Discrimination Report Card," found that the typical employer called back the presumably white applicants around 9% more than Black ones. That number rose to roughly 24% for the worst offenders."

Heck, racism is solved because it's not the whole industry. Thank you BJ for correcting me on a fundamental falsehood. Wait, what? You consider racism debunked because of THIS?


Glad you’re acknowledging your mistake but I think the proper protocol is a “my bad, thanks for the info, BJ” instead of a “You consider racism debunked because of this?”


Yes, I do in fact acknowledge my mistakes. And no, I won't say thanks because you misrepresented the information with the 9% claim. I will say thanks if you acknowledge that your version was a misrepresentation of the findings.


I misrepresented the findings by posting the average discrimination rate from all the companies they studied instead of finding the 1 company that did the worst and sharing that instead? Amazing
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada18041 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-01-27 08:00:03
January 27 2025 07:28 GMT
#94406
On January 27 2025 05:39 Zambrah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2025 04:54 Uldridge wrote:
I've been rationalizing my view of the USA for quite a while now, but have never really understood how deeply disturbing the racial issue actually is over there. Then I saw a few clips of "US politics without context" and understood immediately. Now I understand what the hubbub is actually about. But it's still so absurd.


Its worth always keeping in mind we have living people who were alive when segregation was a thing, Civil Rights was in the 60s, Joe Biden wouldve been around ~22 around that time, so not even just born, but born and very much cognizant of and raised within that extremely racist world.

and yet so many non-white people are willing to walk over dead bodies to get into the USA every year. Canada's biggest and best engineering school programs have less than 10% white males. All the students can't wait to graduate and GTFO of Canada and head south. There is zero fear of white supremacy. These students have already worked in the USA for 6 stints of 4 months each. So they know exactly what they are getting into by going to the US.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1242713672476085/

In 2022, 126,000 Canadians moved to the USA. Nurses, Lab Technologists, DRs, software engineers, X-Ray Techs. etc etc etc.

Moving to upstate New York was the best move I ever made. My quality of life is an order of magnitude better than in Canada.

I'd say there is 2 or 3 orders of magnitude more anti-semitism in Quebec, Canada than in New York, USA.
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KT_Elwood
Profile Joined July 2015
Germany1202 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-01-27 12:57:02
January 27 2025 10:47 GMT
#94407
I think despite the raging gun violence and property crime compared to other industrialized G7 countries, the US is a lot safer than other (south) american countries.

And qualified inidviduals in high paying jobs have always "Followed the money". If the financial opportunities in the US are better, why don't go there?

Especially when your income is sufficient to live in a nicer neighbourhood and pay for a nicer school etc.

Switzerland, Luxemburg, Norway are very attractive to german professionals as well. Higher pay, better working conditions (less workload per employee), less taxes.

In Germany Boomers are driving the economy towards a cliff and will hand over the steering wheel 10 metres from the edge.

At VW the people literally said "It's okay to cut 35000 jobs, if there are no lay-offs".. so boomers will leave their job demanding their pensions... that would have been paid by the next generation of workers at VW.

But boomers will still need their freaking pensions. And they will for decades keep being the major demographic in elections.

Age 60 and up are causing about 60% of the cost in the healtcare system... and now in the microcosmos of VW, they obliterated all the net payers for net receivers.


So if you can.. BAIL. The boomers onyl will get greedier and stranger. Norway sells Oil, their boomers can be taken care off with oil.-money.
"First he eats our dogs, and then he taxes the penguins... Donald Trump truly is the Donald Trump of our generation. " -DPB
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46689 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-01-27 12:46:43
January 27 2025 11:36 GMT
#94408
On January 27 2025 16:28 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2025 05:39 Zambrah wrote:
On January 27 2025 04:54 Uldridge wrote:
I've been rationalizing my view of the USA for quite a while now, but have never really understood how deeply disturbing the racial issue actually is over there. Then I saw a few clips of "US politics without context" and understood immediately. Now I understand what the hubbub is actually about. But it's still so absurd.


Its worth always keeping in mind we have living people who were alive when segregation was a thing, Civil Rights was in the 60s, Joe Biden wouldve been around ~22 around that time, so not even just born, but born and very much cognizant of and raised within that extremely racist world.

and yet so many non-white people are willing to walk over dead bodies to get into the USA every year. Canada's biggest and best engineering school programs have less than 10% white males. All the students can't wait to graduate and GTFO of Canada and head south. There is zero fear of white supremacy. These students have already worked in the USA for 6 stints of 4 months each. So they know exactly what they are getting into by going to the US.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1242713672476085/

In 2022, 126,000 Canadians moved to the USA. Nurses, Lab Technologists, DRs, software engineers, X-Ray Techs. etc etc etc.

Moving to upstate New York was the best move I ever made. My quality of life is an order of magnitude better than in Canada.

I'd say there is 2 or 3 orders of magnitude more anti-semitism in Quebec, Canada than in New York, USA.


"2 or 3 orders of magnitude more"? Where did you come up with those numbers? New York (City only!*) and Quebec (the whole province!**) both have between 8 and 9 million people, making them comparable population sizes, so unless you're suggesting that the anti-Semitic percents of both are infinitesmal (which makes your whole point irrelevant if neither location really has much anti-Semitism at all), you're going to run into scaling problems pretty quickly with anything relating to "magnitudes". If 1% of New Yorkers dislike Jews (80,000 or so), then 100% (8,000,000 or so) or 1,000% (lol) of people living in Quebec dislike Jews o.O
*The entire state of New York has about 20 million people, which would make your claim even more preposterous.
**Quebec city has less than 1 million people, which would also make your claim even more preposterous.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Magic Powers
Profile Joined April 2012
Austria4478 Posts
January 27 2025 14:36 GMT
#94409
On January 27 2025 11:40 BlackJack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2025 10:44 Magic Powers wrote:
On January 27 2025 10:08 BlackJack wrote:
On January 27 2025 06:49 Magic Powers wrote:
On January 27 2025 06:03 BlackJack wrote:
On January 27 2025 04:07 Magic Powers wrote:
On January 27 2025 03:30 BlackJack wrote:
Read the quote tree if you've already forgotten what your claim was


Feel free to quote the part.


https://tl.net/forum/general/532255-us-politics-mega-thread?page=4719#94374

It's my last post. The first paragraph explains why your conclusion was faulty. The 2nd paragraph explains why even if your conclusion wasn't faulty it's not a great argument.


What conclusion exactly is faulty? If I state incorrectly that the 25% applies to an entire industry, and instead it applies to one company, nothing about the argument changes at its core.

"Their working paper, published this month and titled "A Discrimination Report Card," found that the typical employer called back the presumably white applicants around 9% more than Black ones. That number rose to roughly 24% for the worst offenders."

Heck, racism is solved because it's not the whole industry. Thank you BJ for correcting me on a fundamental falsehood. Wait, what? You consider racism debunked because of THIS?


Glad you’re acknowledging your mistake but I think the proper protocol is a “my bad, thanks for the info, BJ” instead of a “You consider racism debunked because of this?”


Yes, I do in fact acknowledge my mistakes. And no, I won't say thanks because you misrepresented the information with the 9% claim. I will say thanks if you acknowledge that your version was a misrepresentation of the findings.


I misrepresented the findings by posting the average discrimination rate from all the companies they studied instead of finding the 1 company that did the worst and sharing that instead? Amazing


Yes, you did misrepresent it. The finding is not that the average discrimination is 9%. The finding is that in some industries the discrimination is very severe and in others there is no apparent discrimination. Same as for men and women. If you posted that there is no discrimination gap between men and women, that would likewise be a misrepresentation, even though you'd be using the same 0% as the 9% from white and black people. Because both men and women do in fact face discrimination in different industries respectively. Therefore you have to point out more than just the 9% overall gap between black and white people in order to not misrepresent anything.

I will not explain this again.
And you will never ask me to say thanks again because you're unwilling to even acknowledge your mistakes.
If you want to do the right thing, 80% of your job is done if you don't do the wrong thing.
EnDeR_
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Spain2956 Posts
January 27 2025 15:27 GMT
#94410
Without getting tetchy, it's fair to say what the overall discrimination number is and then qualify the result by talking about the specifics, i.e. some industries are particularly bad and the number can be much higher (or smaller!).

Move on.
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korrekt
Profile Joined March 2011
76 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-01-27 16:11:10
January 27 2025 16:09 GMT
#94411
On January 27 2025 20:36 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2025 16:28 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On January 27 2025 05:39 Zambrah wrote:
On January 27 2025 04:54 Uldridge wrote:
I've been rationalizing my view of the USA for quite a while now, but have never really understood how deeply disturbing the racial issue actually is over there. Then I saw a few clips of "US politics without context" and understood immediately. Now I understand what the hubbub is actually about. But it's still so absurd.


Its worth always keeping in mind we have living people who were alive when segregation was a thing, Civil Rights was in the 60s, Joe Biden wouldve been around ~22 around that time, so not even just born, but born and very much cognizant of and raised within that extremely racist world.

and yet so many non-white people are willing to walk over dead bodies to get into the USA every year. Canada's biggest and best engineering school programs have less than 10% white males. All the students can't wait to graduate and GTFO of Canada and head south. There is zero fear of white supremacy. These students have already worked in the USA for 6 stints of 4 months each. So they know exactly what they are getting into by going to the US.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1242713672476085/

In 2022, 126,000 Canadians moved to the USA. Nurses, Lab Technologists, DRs, software engineers, X-Ray Techs. etc etc etc.

Moving to upstate New York was the best move I ever made. My quality of life is an order of magnitude better than in Canada.

I'd say there is 2 or 3 orders of magnitude more anti-semitism in Quebec, Canada than in New York, USA.


"2 or 3 orders of magnitude more"? Where did you come up with those numbers? New York (City only!*) and Quebec (the whole province!**) both have between 8 and 9 million people, making them comparable population sizes, so unless you're suggesting that the anti-Semitic percents of both are infinitesmal (which makes your whole point irrelevant if neither location really has much anti-Semitism at all), you're going to run into scaling problems pretty quickly with anything relating to "magnitudes". If 1% of New Yorkers dislike Jews (80,000 or so), then 100% (8,000,000 or so) or 1,000% (lol) of people living in Quebec dislike Jews o.O
*The entire state of New York has about 20 million people, which would make your claim even more preposterous.
**Quebec city has less than 1 million people, which would also make your claim even more preposterous.


Though I do very much agree with your bottom line and I find it hard to believe the number given without any kind of evidence, it is technically possible to scale percentages by a magnitude of 2 or 3 orders even when talking about something like 90 % or even 99 %. In a statistical sense, percentages can not directly be scaled but have to be transformed into odds (i.e., 9 against 1 for 90 %). That number can then be scaled and retransformed into a percentage (27 against 1 for an order of magnitude of 3, which would be roughly 96.4 %).

Thanks to everyone btw for the many interesting to read discussions in this thread! I'm a long-term reader and got a lot of information and talking points out of it
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44439 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-01-27 16:20:18
January 27 2025 16:17 GMT
#94412
Trump started and then won a very public argument with the president of Colombia and his base are eating it up when the entire fucking thing should have been an email. Trump is essentially a guy picking a fight with strangers in a Waffle House, pulling a gun on them, then gloating when they back the fuck down. With MAGA being his dumb fucking white trash kids who are impressed by that shit. What they're missing is that all the other presidents were perfectly capable of getting what they want without making their counterparties publicly lose and that people don't like it when you make them publicly lose. And that people talk and that you don't want to be the lunatic pulling a gun in a Waffle House, nobody but his idiot kids respects that guy.

The US had an agreement to send migrants back to Colombia on regular flights. It seems that the Trump government unilaterally decided to start sending them on military flights without informing Colombia and promptly got turned around because they were in breach of their own agreement. After declaring that they were going to block Colombian exports to the US and revoke the visas of Colombian officials in the US Colombia backed down and the agreement was amended. They're focused on the Colombia backed down part which is wholly missing the point, winning a very public argument over petty bullshit is not a good result.

Every nation, whether they're an ally of the US or an adversary, is currently evaluating its exposure to having Trump pull a gun on them in the middle of a Waffle House over petty bullshit. They're concluding it'd be wise not to keep their reserves in US controlled banks, would be wise to diversify their trade away from the US, would be wise to reduce their dependence on US tech etc. because having an agreement with the US and following the terms of that agreement does not mean shit to Trump. Every foreign politician is considering the possibility that Trump may randomly demand that they eat shit in front of their electorate for no reason other than that he can and is working out how to reduce exposure to the US. He's going to burn through an inconceivable amount of soft power in the next four years.
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46689 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-01-27 16:23:25
January 27 2025 16:18 GMT
#94413
On January 28 2025 01:09 korrekt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2025 20:36 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On January 27 2025 16:28 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On January 27 2025 05:39 Zambrah wrote:
On January 27 2025 04:54 Uldridge wrote:
I've been rationalizing my view of the USA for quite a while now, but have never really understood how deeply disturbing the racial issue actually is over there. Then I saw a few clips of "US politics without context" and understood immediately. Now I understand what the hubbub is actually about. But it's still so absurd.


Its worth always keeping in mind we have living people who were alive when segregation was a thing, Civil Rights was in the 60s, Joe Biden wouldve been around ~22 around that time, so not even just born, but born and very much cognizant of and raised within that extremely racist world.

and yet so many non-white people are willing to walk over dead bodies to get into the USA every year. Canada's biggest and best engineering school programs have less than 10% white males. All the students can't wait to graduate and GTFO of Canada and head south. There is zero fear of white supremacy. These students have already worked in the USA for 6 stints of 4 months each. So they know exactly what they are getting into by going to the US.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1242713672476085/

In 2022, 126,000 Canadians moved to the USA. Nurses, Lab Technologists, DRs, software engineers, X-Ray Techs. etc etc etc.

Moving to upstate New York was the best move I ever made. My quality of life is an order of magnitude better than in Canada.

I'd say there is 2 or 3 orders of magnitude more anti-semitism in Quebec, Canada than in New York, USA.


"2 or 3 orders of magnitude more"? Where did you come up with those numbers? New York (City only!*) and Quebec (the whole province!**) both have between 8 and 9 million people, making them comparable population sizes, so unless you're suggesting that the anti-Semitic percents of both are infinitesmal (which makes your whole point irrelevant if neither location really has much anti-Semitism at all), you're going to run into scaling problems pretty quickly with anything relating to "magnitudes". If 1% of New Yorkers dislike Jews (80,000 or so), then 100% (8,000,000 or so) or 1,000% (lol) of people living in Quebec dislike Jews o.O
*The entire state of New York has about 20 million people, which would make your claim even more preposterous.
**Quebec city has less than 1 million people, which would also make your claim even more preposterous.


Though I do very much agree with your bottom line and I find it hard to believe the number given without any kind of evidence, it is technically possible to scale percentages by a magnitude of 2 or 3 orders even when talking about something like 90 % or even 99 %. In a statistical sense, percentages can not directly be scaled but have to be transformed into odds (i.e., 9 against 1 for 90 %). That number can then be scaled and retransformed into a percentage (27 against 1 for an order of magnitude of 3, which would be roughly 96.4 %).

Thanks to everyone btw for the many interesting to read discussions in this thread! I'm a long-term reader and got a lot of information and talking points out of it


Orders of magnitude are traditionally powers of 10 though, not powers of 3. If he wants to cite powers of 3 (or 2 or whatever), he can certainly do so, but I'm still curious as to where he got these actual numbers to begin with.

( The default logarithmic base (or exponential power) is 10: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_magnitude )

It's always nice for readers/lurkers to chime in
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27478 Posts
January 27 2025 17:09 GMT
#94414
On January 28 2025 01:09 korrekt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2025 20:36 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On January 27 2025 16:28 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
On January 27 2025 05:39 Zambrah wrote:
On January 27 2025 04:54 Uldridge wrote:
I've been rationalizing my view of the USA for quite a while now, but have never really understood how deeply disturbing the racial issue actually is over there. Then I saw a few clips of "US politics without context" and understood immediately. Now I understand what the hubbub is actually about. But it's still so absurd.


Its worth always keeping in mind we have living people who were alive when segregation was a thing, Civil Rights was in the 60s, Joe Biden wouldve been around ~22 around that time, so not even just born, but born and very much cognizant of and raised within that extremely racist world.

and yet so many non-white people are willing to walk over dead bodies to get into the USA every year. Canada's biggest and best engineering school programs have less than 10% white males. All the students can't wait to graduate and GTFO of Canada and head south. There is zero fear of white supremacy. These students have already worked in the USA for 6 stints of 4 months each. So they know exactly what they are getting into by going to the US.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1242713672476085/

In 2022, 126,000 Canadians moved to the USA. Nurses, Lab Technologists, DRs, software engineers, X-Ray Techs. etc etc etc.

Moving to upstate New York was the best move I ever made. My quality of life is an order of magnitude better than in Canada.

I'd say there is 2 or 3 orders of magnitude more anti-semitism in Quebec, Canada than in New York, USA.


"2 or 3 orders of magnitude more"? Where did you come up with those numbers? New York (City only!*) and Quebec (the whole province!**) both have between 8 and 9 million people, making them comparable population sizes, so unless you're suggesting that the anti-Semitic percents of both are infinitesmal (which makes your whole point irrelevant if neither location really has much anti-Semitism at all), you're going to run into scaling problems pretty quickly with anything relating to "magnitudes". If 1% of New Yorkers dislike Jews (80,000 or so), then 100% (8,000,000 or so) or 1,000% (lol) of people living in Quebec dislike Jews o.O
*The entire state of New York has about 20 million people, which would make your claim even more preposterous.
**Quebec city has less than 1 million people, which would also make your claim even more preposterous.


Though I do very much agree with your bottom line and I find it hard to believe the number given without any kind of evidence, it is technically possible to scale percentages by a magnitude of 2 or 3 orders even when talking about something like 90 % or even 99 %. In a statistical sense, percentages can not directly be scaled but have to be transformed into odds (i.e., 9 against 1 for 90 %). That number can then be scaled and retransformed into a percentage (27 against 1 for an order of magnitude of 3, which would be roughly 96.4 %).

Thanks to everyone btw for the many interesting to read discussions in this thread! I'm a long-term reader and got a lot of information and talking points out of it

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Northern Ireland27478 Posts
January 27 2025 17:13 GMT
#94415
On January 28 2025 01:17 KwarK wrote:
Trump started and then won a very public argument with the president of Colombia and his base are eating it up when the entire fucking thing should have been an email. Trump is essentially a guy picking a fight with strangers in a Waffle House, pulling a gun on them, then gloating when they back the fuck down. With MAGA being his dumb fucking white trash kids who are impressed by that shit. What they're missing is that all the other presidents were perfectly capable of getting what they want without making their counterparties publicly lose and that people don't like it when you make them publicly lose. And that people talk and that you don't want to be the lunatic pulling a gun in a Waffle House, nobody but his idiot kids respects that guy.

The US had an agreement to send migrants back to Colombia on regular flights. It seems that the Trump government unilaterally decided to start sending them on military flights without informing Colombia and promptly got turned around because they were in breach of their own agreement. After declaring that they were going to block Colombian exports to the US and revoke the visas of Colombian officials in the US Colombia backed down and the agreement was amended. They're focused on the Colombia backed down part which is wholly missing the point, winning a very public argument over petty bullshit is not a good result.

Every nation, whether they're an ally of the US or an adversary, is currently evaluating its exposure to having Trump pull a gun on them in the middle of a Waffle House over petty bullshit. They're concluding it'd be wise not to keep their reserves in US controlled banks, would be wise to diversify their trade away from the US, would be wise to reduce their dependence on US tech etc. because having an agreement with the US and following the terms of that agreement does not mean shit to Trump. Every foreign politician is considering the possibility that Trump may randomly demand that they eat shit in front of their electorate for no reason other than that he can and is working out how to reduce exposure to the US. He's going to burn through an inconceivable amount of soft power in the next four years.

A pretty much perfect analogy right there, GG WP
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Poland5908 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-01-27 17:30:18
January 27 2025 17:29 GMT
#94416
On January 28 2025 01:17 KwarK wrote:He's going to burn through an inconceivable amount of soft power in the next four years.

Next four years? You're being very charitable. At this rate, I'd give him a few months. And only because America's partners will be in denial for a while and it will take some time for the new reality to sink in.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22703 Posts
January 27 2025 17:38 GMT
#94417
On January 28 2025 02:29 maybenexttime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2025 01:17 KwarK wrote:He's going to burn through an inconceivable amount of soft power in the next four years.

Next four years? You're being very charitable. At this rate, I'd give him a few months. And only because America's partners will be in denial for a while and it will take some time for the new reality to sink in.
They've been here before, 4 years ago. I don't think they will be in denial in any time at all.

This time they know he will be gone after the 4 tho, so that will only encourage them to just keep their heads low and wait it out.
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Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12185 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-01-27 17:56:13
January 27 2025 17:39 GMT
#94418
On January 28 2025 02:29 maybenexttime wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2025 01:17 KwarK wrote:He's going to burn through an inconceivable amount of soft power in the next four years.

Next four years? You're being very charitable. At this rate, I'd give him a few months. And only because America's partners will be in denial for a while and it will take some time for the new reality to sink in.


I think the major test is if US institutions hold up when he leaves office in 4 years. And who replaces him as president. If it is a Trump clone then a lot of people will give up on the US and start treating it like China. A country you trade with but don't trust any longer.
EnDeR_
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Spain2956 Posts
January 27 2025 18:25 GMT
#94419
On January 28 2025 02:39 Yurie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2025 02:29 maybenexttime wrote:
On January 28 2025 01:17 KwarK wrote:He's going to burn through an inconceivable amount of soft power in the next four years.

Next four years? You're being very charitable. At this rate, I'd give him a few months. And only because America's partners will be in denial for a while and it will take some time for the new reality to sink in.


I think the major test is if US institutions hold up when he leaves office in 4 years. And who replaces him as president. If it is a Trump clone then a lot of people will give up on the US and start treating it like China. A country you trade with but don't trust any longer.


Bold assumption that Trump will just step down.
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44439 Posts
January 27 2025 18:28 GMT
#94420
I'm waiting to see if Denmark closes the USAF base in Greenland. They'd be fully within their rights to do so, hosting a foreign military is a nice thing to do for an ally who has no other staging point in that area but once they threaten to use military force against you it's no longer viable. It'd be a good lesson, though I doubt MAGA would learn it. I think part of the problem is that the US has been winning by engaging on a mutually beneficial basis without a fight for so long that they've stopped noticing the wins. China would kill for a base in Greenland but Denmark would never give them one. Trump doesn't see those as wins because nobody loses.
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