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On January 24 2025 07:31 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2025 03:20 GreenHorizons wrote:The calls for informing on immigrants to your local gestapo are already going out After watching billionaires fighting to kiss Trump's ass like this is the premier of a new Apprentice I fully expect cities and states to help him crackdown on immigrants under threats of prosecution by Trump. U.S. President Donald Trump's administration has directed prosecutors to investigate officials who resist immigration enforcement efforts, intensifying a sweeping crackdown that Trump launched the day he took office.
In a memo seen by Reuters, Trump's acting deputy attorney general, Emil Bove, told Justice Department staff that state and local authorities must cooperate with the immigration crackdown and federal prosecutors "shall investigate incidents involving any such misconduct for potential prosecution." www.reuters.com Predictably gross. I feel your fine sig quote is often apt, but it feels even more so now. Show nested quote + People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" + Show Spoiler +
If the driving force of such sentiment really was legitimate concerns about employment prospects and the likes, one would expect to see at least a decent fraction of that anger directed to businesses that hire illegal migrants and clamping down there too.
That it is not remotely close proportionally says rather a lot about the motivations of folks who would likely have touted on Anne Frank if they lived in a different time and place
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About that sig quote...
Look guys, it is going to be at least a year before you are even thinking about falling in line behind Democrats (besides spending the next year or so making excuses for their impotence/incompetence). What harm would there be in redirecting a fraction of the time you'll spend arguing the most inane things you can with BJ, oBlade, posters like that, to sincerely exploring whether revolutionary socialism might offer something better than lib/Dem politics? At least while you wait to find out who you'll be voting for almost 2 years from now.
I don't expect everyone that gives revolutionary socialism a try to become one, but I'm confident that anyone here that refuses to try while perpetually engaging in bad faith distractions with the BJs and oBlades simply isn't serious about wanting to stop the rise of fascism in the US.
You all tried the Democrat strategy. They have nothing for you to do until it's voting time again. Just TRY revolutionary socialism (I'd settle for socialism generally at this point) on for a bit. You have nothing to lose but your chains.
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Lets post something substantial: undeniable evidence.
Overall, black people in the US are (still) being very significantly discriminated against in the hiring process. Not just in the US but also in Sweden and other countries. The discrimination is provable in some industries, while in others there is no apparent racial discrimination in hiring.
An overall gender disparity across all industries cannot be observed, but in specific industries a gender bias still persists. It's noteworthy that both men and women face discrimination in different industries (debunking the myth that DEI only helps minority groups. In reality DEI is broadly good for all groups including men).
Overall though white people benefit the most from racial discrimination in the US and other countries.
https://www.npr.org/2024/04/11/1243713272/resume-bias-study-white-names-black-names
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Trump is considering the elimination of FEMA and the notion that disaster relief should fall to only the individual states affected by each natural disaster.
""I'll also be signing an executive order to begin the process of fundamentally reforming and overhauling FEMA, or maybe getting rid of FEMA," Trump told reporters in North Carolina on Friday morning. "I think, frankly, FEMA is not good. ... I’d like to see the states take care of disasters, let the state take care of the tornadoes and the hurricanes and all of the other things that happen."" https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fema-not-good-trump-announces-agency-overhaul-during-visit-north-carolina
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If that goes through, the cost of living in Florida will get a whole lot higher.
Considering that Florida has voted Republican for awhile now, serves them right.
I may actually enjoy watching Trump give his moronic base what they’ve been asking for. Maybe they’ll learn a lesson. Although it’s unfortunate that everyone else who already knows the lesson will have to suffer as well. Still, it’s my schadenfreude.
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On January 25 2025 02:56 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Trump is considering the elimination of FEMA and the notion that disaster relief should fall to only the individual states affected by each natural disaster. ""I'll also be signing an executive order to begin the process of fundamentally reforming and overhauling FEMA, or maybe getting rid of FEMA," Trump told reporters in North Carolina on Friday morning. "I think, frankly, FEMA is not good. ... I’d like to see the states take care of disasters, let the state take care of the tornadoes and the hurricanes and all of the other things that happen."" https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fema-not-good-trump-announces-agency-overhaul-during-visit-north-carolina Yeah, that's not getting through Congress.
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you get what you vote for. hard to feel bad.
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On January 25 2025 01:18 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2025 07:31 WombaT wrote:On January 24 2025 03:20 GreenHorizons wrote:The calls for informing on immigrants to your local gestapo are already going out https://twitter.com/UFWupdates/status/1881884759674208444After watching billionaires fighting to kiss Trump's ass like this is the premier of a new Apprentice I fully expect cities and states to help him crackdown on immigrants under threats of prosecution by Trump. U.S. President Donald Trump's administration has directed prosecutors to investigate officials who resist immigration enforcement efforts, intensifying a sweeping crackdown that Trump launched the day he took office.
In a memo seen by Reuters, Trump's acting deputy attorney general, Emil Bove, told Justice Department staff that state and local authorities must cooperate with the immigration crackdown and federal prosecutors "shall investigate incidents involving any such misconduct for potential prosecution." www.reuters.com Predictably gross. I feel your fine sig quote is often apt, but it feels even more so now. People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" + Show Spoiler +
If the driving force of such sentiment really was legitimate concerns about employment prospects and the likes, one would expect to see at least a decent fraction of that anger directed to businesses that hire illegal migrants and clamping down there too.
That it is not remotely close proportionally says rather a lot about the motivations of folks who would likely have touted on Anne Frank if they lived in a different time and place
. About that sig quote... Look guys, it is going to be at least a year before you are even thinking about falling in line behind Democrats (besides spending the next year or so making excuses for their impotence/incompetence). What harm would there be in redirecting a fraction of the time you'll spend arguing the most inane things you can with BJ, oBlade, posters like that, to sincerely exploring whether revolutionary socialism might offer something better than lib/Dem politics? At least while you wait to find out who you'll be voting for almost 2 years from now. I don't expect everyone that gives revolutionary socialism a try to become one, but I'm confident that anyone here that refuses to try while perpetually engaging in bad faith distractions with the BJs and oBlades simply isn't serious about wanting to stop the rise of fascism in the US. You all tried the Democrat strategy. They have nothing for you to do until it's voting time again. Just TRY revolutionary socialism (I'd settle for socialism generally at this point) on for a bit. You have nothing to lose but your chains.
To any would-be comrades among us I would play devil's advocate and advise against throwing your life away this way. Just because MAGA was able to take over the GOP but the Democrats are still largely gripped by the same old empty-suited liars doesn't mean it's fundamentally impossible to do a popular overthrow of them, it just needs more effort. Then we can have two accountable parties. The other path leads nowhere; radical extremism is already revolting.
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Northern Ireland27346 Posts
On January 25 2025 03:14 RenSC2 wrote:
If that goes through, the cost of living in Florida will get a whole lot higher.
Considering that Florida has voted Republican for awhile now, serves them right.
I may actually enjoy watching Trump give his moronic base what they’ve been asking for. Maybe they’ll learn a lesson. Although it’s unfortunate that everyone else who already knows the lesson will have to suffer as well. Still, it’s my schadenfreude.
The problem is they never do learn the lesson. To learn requires an ability to admit one is wrong, so rather than do that they’ll gravitate to some other factor to blame.
Obligatory Brexit mention for the day. When the ‘it’s project fearTM and people are just scaremongering’ phase passed into the ‘all that stuff actually happened’ phase it was Europe, or pro-European politicians copping the blame. To go ‘Oh all those things I downplayed with Brexit happened, maybe I made a mistake here, or maybe I was lied to’, nah fat chance of that.
Of course there are folks who aren’t as steadfast in their views who can shift with new information and circumstances. Such folks aren’t exactly the bedrock of Trump’s core base though.
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On January 25 2025 03:31 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2025 01:18 GreenHorizons wrote:On January 24 2025 07:31 WombaT wrote:On January 24 2025 03:20 GreenHorizons wrote:The calls for informing on immigrants to your local gestapo are already going out https://twitter.com/UFWupdates/status/1881884759674208444After watching billionaires fighting to kiss Trump's ass like this is the premier of a new Apprentice I fully expect cities and states to help him crackdown on immigrants under threats of prosecution by Trump. U.S. President Donald Trump's administration has directed prosecutors to investigate officials who resist immigration enforcement efforts, intensifying a sweeping crackdown that Trump launched the day he took office.
In a memo seen by Reuters, Trump's acting deputy attorney general, Emil Bove, told Justice Department staff that state and local authorities must cooperate with the immigration crackdown and federal prosecutors "shall investigate incidents involving any such misconduct for potential prosecution." www.reuters.com Predictably gross. I feel your fine sig quote is often apt, but it feels even more so now. People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" + Show Spoiler +
If the driving force of such sentiment really was legitimate concerns about employment prospects and the likes, one would expect to see at least a decent fraction of that anger directed to businesses that hire illegal migrants and clamping down there too.
That it is not remotely close proportionally says rather a lot about the motivations of folks who would likely have touted on Anne Frank if they lived in a different time and place
. About that sig quote... Look guys, it is going to be at least a year before you are even thinking about falling in line behind Democrats (besides spending the next year or so making excuses for their impotence/incompetence). What harm would there be in redirecting a fraction of the time you'll spend arguing the most inane things you can with BJ, oBlade, posters like that, to sincerely exploring whether revolutionary socialism might offer something better than lib/Dem politics? At least while you wait to find out who you'll be voting for almost 2 years from now. I don't expect everyone that gives revolutionary socialism a try to become one, but I'm confident that anyone here that refuses to try while perpetually engaging in bad faith distractions with the BJs and oBlades simply isn't serious about wanting to stop the rise of fascism in the US. You all tried the Democrat strategy. They have nothing for you to do until it's voting time again. Just TRY revolutionary socialism (I'd settle for socialism generally at this point) on for a bit. You have nothing to lose but your chains. To any would-be comrades among us I would play devil's advocate and advise against throwing your life away this way. Just because MAGA was able to take over the GOP but the Democrats are still largely gripped by the same old empty-suited liars doesn't mean it's fundamentally impossible to do a popular overthrow of them, it just needs more effort. Then we can have two accountable parties. The other path leads nowhere; radical extremism is already revolting.
How is that being the devil's advocate when it is what you actually believe to be a better path for all those irredeemable souls that won't join you in your Randian fever dreams?
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On January 24 2025 23:46 Dan HH wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2025 23:28 Zambrah wrote:
Anyone else remember when the Republican boogieman was CRT? Crazy how they switch boogie men so quickly and so thoroughly I had completely forgotten about it, haven't seen the term mentioned in ages. It is crazy that the seemingly most pressing issues for our species are invisible non-factors once they just stop agitating about them.
I think you have this backwards
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On January 25 2025 04:45 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2025 23:46 Dan HH wrote:On January 24 2025 23:28 Zambrah wrote:
Anyone else remember when the Republican boogieman was CRT? Crazy how they switch boogie men so quickly and so thoroughly I had completely forgotten about it, haven't seen the term mentioned in ages. It is crazy that the seemingly most pressing issues for our species are invisible non-factors once they just stop agitating about them. I think you have this backwards
Why? What is TRC?
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On January 25 2025 04:56 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2025 04:45 BlackJack wrote:On January 24 2025 23:46 Dan HH wrote:On January 24 2025 23:28 Zambrah wrote:
Anyone else remember when the Republican boogieman was CRT? Crazy how they switch boogie men so quickly and so thoroughly I had completely forgotten about it, haven't seen the term mentioned in ages. It is crazy that the seemingly most pressing issues for our species are invisible non-factors once they just stop agitating about them. I think you have this backwards Why? What is TRC?
Testosterone Replacement... Chemistry?
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On January 25 2025 04:56 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2025 04:45 BlackJack wrote:On January 24 2025 23:46 Dan HH wrote:On January 24 2025 23:28 Zambrah wrote:
Anyone else remember when the Republican boogieman was CRT? Crazy how they switch boogie men so quickly and so thoroughly I had completely forgotten about it, haven't seen the term mentioned in ages. It is crazy that the seemingly most pressing issues for our species are invisible non-factors once they just stop agitating about them. I think you have this backwards Why? What is TRC?
Trans Rights Crisis.
That seems like one that’s being addressed right now.
But as less of a shit-post, I do believe in hiring the best person for a job, full stop. I’m not generally into DEI at the endpoint, which is hiring decisions. The focus needs to be on inclusion in the early stages of education.
The whole thing about CRT is that it’s accepting that black people are worse in certain areas due to the history of slavery in this country. It’s had a profound multi-generational effect. So yes, we’d expect to find less black people in engineering and thus should expect a company to hire disproportionately less black people to engineering jobs.
The fix isn’t to demand companies hire more black people as engineers. The fix is to better educate black children so that more grow up to become good engineers that companies want to hire.
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On January 25 2025 05:11 Zambrah wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2025 04:56 Acrofales wrote:On January 25 2025 04:45 BlackJack wrote:On January 24 2025 23:46 Dan HH wrote:On January 24 2025 23:28 Zambrah wrote:
Anyone else remember when the Republican boogieman was CRT? Crazy how they switch boogie men so quickly and so thoroughly I had completely forgotten about it, haven't seen the term mentioned in ages. It is crazy that the seemingly most pressing issues for our species are invisible non-factors once they just stop agitating about them. I think you have this backwards Why? What is TRC? Testosterone Replacement... Chemistry?
It's that cannabis thing... Tetrarydrocannabinol?
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On January 25 2025 04:56 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2025 04:45 BlackJack wrote:On January 24 2025 23:46 Dan HH wrote:On January 24 2025 23:28 Zambrah wrote:
Anyone else remember when the Republican boogieman was CRT? Crazy how they switch boogie men so quickly and so thoroughly I had completely forgotten about it, haven't seen the term mentioned in ages. It is crazy that the seemingly most pressing issues for our species are invisible non-factors once they just stop agitating about them. I think you have this backwards Why? What is TRC?
haha 
Remember BLM? Remember when everyone was posting a black screen to their instagram feed and ranting about a new black person that had been killed by police every week? Sandra Bland, Freddie Gray, Eric Garner. Every week someone new. It's been a while since a new name has been added to that list. Did police just stop killing black people? Google tells me they killed more black people than ever last year. So I guess that's not the case. More like the issue is just no longer en vogue. It's no longer on the front page of the newspapers and on the 24 hour news networks. With it went the obsession of pushing weird race based teachings in school. Robin DeAngelo, Ibrham X Kendi are no longer making the rounds on talk shows. So the moral panic over "CRT" went away because "CRT" went away. (I put that word in quotations because inevitably someone will come in and say "well actually... that's not what CRT is")
What about COVID? Did people stop dying from COVID? Certainly less but still a lot of people die. Still lives could be saved by encouraging or coercing people to get vaccinated or wear a mask or socially distance. But nobody does that either. All the little syringe emojis disappeared from the twitter bios. All the people that wanted to mandate COVID vaccines on schoolchildren so they don't go home and hug their grandma are pretty closed lip now. I guess we've reached an acceptable level of dead grandmas for them.
Even the gender obsession will blow over soon enough. Gender dysphoria will still exist, trans people will still exist. We just won't be in a place where we feel compelled to tell children that the doctor just took a guess as to whether you were a boy or a girl and we don't know for sure and also there's 47 different genders you can choose from and your pronouns are whatever you want them to be. The issue will no longer be en vogue. I'm already starting to see the "my pronouns are..." disappear from work emails. Even AOC took them off her twitter bio and she's probably the most socially conscious congressperson. In 5-10 years the "my pronouns are..." emails will be no more prevalent than the last of the faded paint on the ground of a queue telling us 2 meters distance. A remnant of times passed. Then you can come back to this thread and say "remember when conservatives had a moral panic over gender issues." But don't worry, I'm sure there will be something new for progressives to progress about.
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On January 25 2025 05:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2025 05:11 Zambrah wrote:On January 25 2025 04:56 Acrofales wrote:On January 25 2025 04:45 BlackJack wrote:On January 24 2025 23:46 Dan HH wrote:On January 24 2025 23:28 Zambrah wrote:
Anyone else remember when the Republican boogieman was CRT? Crazy how they switch boogie men so quickly and so thoroughly I had completely forgotten about it, haven't seen the term mentioned in ages. It is crazy that the seemingly most pressing issues for our species are invisible non-factors once they just stop agitating about them. I think you have this backwards Why? What is TRC? Testosterone Replacement... Chemistry? It's that cannabis thing... Tetrarydrocannabinol?
Back in my day we had weed and it got ya high, the kids nowadays and their fancy science weeds
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On January 25 2025 05:20 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2025 04:56 Acrofales wrote:On January 25 2025 04:45 BlackJack wrote:On January 24 2025 23:46 Dan HH wrote:On January 24 2025 23:28 Zambrah wrote:
Anyone else remember when the Republican boogieman was CRT? Crazy how they switch boogie men so quickly and so thoroughly I had completely forgotten about it, haven't seen the term mentioned in ages. It is crazy that the seemingly most pressing issues for our species are invisible non-factors once they just stop agitating about them. I think you have this backwards Why? What is TRC? haha Remember BLM? Remember when everyone was posting a black screen to their instagram feed and ranting about a new black person that had been killed by police every week? Sandra Bland, Freddie Gray, Eric Garner. Every week someone new. It's been a while since a new name has been added to that list. Did police just stop killing black people? Google tells me they killed more black people than ever last year. So I guess that's not the case. More like the issue is just no longer en vogue. It's no longer on the front page of the newspapers and on the 24 hour news networks. With it went the obsession of pushing weird race based teachings in school. Robin DeAngelo, Ibrham X Kendi are no longer making the rounds on talk shows. So the moral panic over "CRT" went away because "CRT" went away. (I put that word in quotations because inevitably someone will come in and say "well actually... that's not what CRT is") What about COVID? Did people stop dying from COVID? Certainly less but still a lot of people die. Still lives could be saved by encouraging or coercing people to get vaccinated or wear a mask or socially distance. But nobody does that either. All the little syringe emojis disappeared from the twitter bios. All the people that wanted to mandate COVID vaccines on schoolchildren so they don't go home and hug their grandma are pretty closed lip now. I guess we've reached an acceptable level of dead grandmas for them. Even the gender obsession will blow over soon enough. Gender dysphoria will still exist, trans people will still exist. We just won't be in a place where we feel compelled to tell children that the doctor just took a guess as to whether you were a boy or a girl and we don't know for sure and also there's 47 different genders you can choose from and your pronouns are whatever you want them to be. The issue will no longer be en vogue. I'm already starting to see the "my pronouns are..." disappear from work emails. Even AOC took them off her twitter bio and she's probably the most socially conscious congressperson. In 5-10 years the "my pronouns are..." emails will be no more prevalent than the last of the faded paint on the ground of a queue telling us 2 meters distance. A remnant of times passed. Then you can come back to this thread and say "remember when conservatives had a moral panic over gender issues." But don't worry, I'm sure there will be something new for progressives to progress about.
Republicans are wayyyy more obsessed with gender than Democrats are, covid strains have become significantly weaker and it's still recommended to get an annual covid vaccine alongside an annual flu vaccine, and black lives still matter.
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Northern Ireland27346 Posts
On January 24 2025 09:48 Introvert wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2025 07:31 WombaT wrote:On January 24 2025 03:20 GreenHorizons wrote:The calls for informing on immigrants to your local gestapo are already going out https://twitter.com/UFWupdates/status/1881884759674208444After watching billionaires fighting to kiss Trump's ass like this is the premier of a new Apprentice I fully expect cities and states to help him crackdown on immigrants under threats of prosecution by Trump. U.S. President Donald Trump's administration has directed prosecutors to investigate officials who resist immigration enforcement efforts, intensifying a sweeping crackdown that Trump launched the day he took office.
In a memo seen by Reuters, Trump's acting deputy attorney general, Emil Bove, told Justice Department staff that state and local authorities must cooperate with the immigration crackdown and federal prosecutors "shall investigate incidents involving any such misconduct for potential prosecution." www.reuters.com Predictably gross. I feel your fine sig quote is often apt, but it feels even more so now. People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" If the driving force of such sentiment really was legitimate concerns about employment prospects and the likes, one would expect to see at least a decent fraction of that anger directed to businesses that hire illegal migrants and clamping down there too. That it is not remotely close proportionally says rather a lot about the motivations of folks who would likely have touted on Anne Frank if they lived in a different time and place. Have we not talked about this before? Often the biggest immigration hawks are supporters of making E-Verify mandatory, which would do exactly that if implemented and enforced appropriately. I think last time someone said something like that they didn't even know what it was. As is too often the case with "if they really cared..."
They aren’t necessarily the same folks though, I am aware of their existence but their voices feature much more prominently in the discourse. Not just in the States, it’s broadly the focus of anti-immigration sentiment over here as well. I imagine Liquidiabs in all their various locales would observe something similar.
Doesn’t mean I’m correct, even if my observations are accurately reported, my particular reality is one small corner of the overall picture.
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Oblade has assured us previously that FEMA is the covert arm of international Bolshevism so it’s probably for the best.
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I just dont get the anti FEMA thing other than the internet trolljob working. This feels like trying to break up the US. People can disagree about the federal governments job but if disaster response isnt there what the absolute fuck is the point of a federal government.
This whole red state blue state thing is dumb. We are all purple states. Its just the demons in charge of the republican party and conservative media causing all this infighting.
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