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Taelshin
Canada418 Posts
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Kyadytim
United States886 Posts
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BlackJack
United States10568 Posts
On September 14 2023 05:49 Kyadytim wrote: It's really hard to take the Libertarian party at all seriously when they do things like try to get assigned conservatorship over both Biden and McConnell Seems like the obvious interpretation is that they don't earnestly believe they can win a legal battle over this but instead are doing that to draw attention to themselves and also the fact that our country is run by geriatrics that aren't suitable for any job let alone the job to run the country. Look at how often they have to be rescued by their handlers from just getting lost in the clouds. Diane Feinstein's aides telling her "just say aye" to cast a vote. McConnell's aides having to escort him out when he freezes up. Biden's aides having to cut his mic and escort him off stage when he starts rambling incoherently. I'd save my ridicule for the voters that keep reelecting these people. | ||
KwarK
United States42778 Posts
On September 14 2023 06:44 BlackJack wrote: Seems like the obvious interpretation is that they don't earnestly believe they can win a legal battle over this but instead are doing that to draw attention to themselves and also the fact that our country is run by geriatrics that aren't suitable for any job let alone the job to run the country. Look at how often they have to be rescued by their handlers from just getting lost in the clouds. Diane Feinstein's aides telling her "just say aye" to cast a vote. McConnell's aides having to escort him out when he freezes up. Biden's aides having to cut his mic and escort him off stage when he starts rambling incoherently. I'd save my ridicule for the voters that keep reelecting these people. The constitution has a clearly defined process for removing a POTUS who is incapable of carrying out their duties. Plus conservatorship isn’t exactly great on the personal liberty front. As far as stunts go this doesn’t exactly put the libertarians in a good light. They appear not to be familiar with either the constitution or their own ideology. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25475 Posts
On September 14 2023 05:49 Kyadytim wrote: It's really hard to take the Libertarian party at all seriously when they do things like try to get assigned conservatorship over both Biden and McConnell It’s quite hard to take them seriously by virtue of them being libertarians | ||
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BlackJack
United States10568 Posts
On September 14 2023 07:11 KwarK wrote: The constitution has a clearly defined process for removing a POTUS who is incapable of carrying out their duties. Plus conservatorship isn’t exactly great on the personal liberty front. As far as stunts go this doesn’t exactly put the libertarians in a good light. They appear not to be familiar with either the constitution or their own ideology. As the saying goes, any publicity is good publicity. I'm betting the bad light this puts them in for not meshing with their brand of politics is far outweighed by the bad light this puts the 2 major parties in for having representatives that barely know what's going on around them. Overall a small win if you're an already irrelevant third party. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25475 Posts
In the ‘all publicity is good publicity’ I suppose it does beat the optics of big arguments on sexual age of constant laws though | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6220 Posts
On September 14 2023 07:31 WombaT wrote: It’s quite hard to take them seriously by virtue of them being libertarians The LP in the US is not libertarian anymore. It is taken over by the Mises Caucus and contrary to their name they do not align with the views of Mises. They're a more extreme version of the Republicans. | ||
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gobbledydook
Australia2603 Posts
On September 12 2023 12:44 Mohdoo wrote: My 2 cents is that even if all you do is write "Karl Marx" or "your mom", you must vote. Thats what we do in Australia and we still have trump style idiots on the right. The US's newest export is really infecting us here. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21707 Posts
On September 14 2023 07:45 JimmiC wrote: Its funny/sad how the only Republicans willing to 'tell the truth' are those who are leaving politics.That saying is dumb though, just ask bud light and Kanye or the many many others crushed by bad publicity. Edit: for people who like hearing what Republicans actually think and have said about Trump, Romney is not running again and releasing a book where apparently he is going to release all that information. My guess is it will be entertaining but have no real effect other than Trump giving him the McCain treatment. And Trump won’t care as long as they are currently kissing his ass the same way he didn’t care about all the shit Tucker said. Not to mention lots will just deny it (an option tucker didn’t have). It just further reinforces that they care more about power and re-election then any actual principles. Because they only ever talk about the latter after having given up the former. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28674 Posts
On September 14 2023 15:26 RvB wrote: The LP in the US is not libertarian anymore. It is taken over by the Mises Caucus and contrary to their name they do not align with the views of Mises. They're a more extreme version of the Republicans. I still remember watching the debate like 7 years ago where Gary Johnson, asked something to the effect of whether there should be any drug laws, said 'well, I don't think people should be allowed to sell heroin to 5 year olds', to which the audience responded with massive booing. Was pretty amazing. | ||
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Warfie
Norway2846 Posts
On September 14 2023 18:15 Liquid`Drone wrote: I still remember watching the debate like 7 years ago where Gary Johnson, asked something to the effect of whether there should be any drug laws, said 'well, I don't think people should be allowed to sell heroin to 5 year olds', to which the audience responded with massive booing. Was pretty amazing. Debates in the US puzzle me in several regards. I believe it was in 2016 one candidate was confronted with some subject or discussion point in which he had changed view since the previous debate. He said something along the lines of 'well I received new information in terms of X and Y which obviously speaks for a change of viewpoint'. At which everyone booed. | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On September 15 2023 04:47 Warfie wrote: Debates in the US puzzle me in several regards. I believe it was in 2016 one candidate was confronted with some subject or discussion point in which he had changed view since the previous debate. He said something along the lines of 'well I received new information in terms of X and Y which obviously speaks for a change of viewpoint'. At which everyone booed. The perception of debates in the US is less that they are constructive conversations that seek to build a higher understanding, but rather a battle to establish which individual's lesser understanding is easier to criticize. It's about "winning". | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
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lestye
United States4163 Posts
On September 14 2023 18:15 Liquid`Drone wrote: I still remember watching the debate like 7 years ago where Gary Johnson, asked something to the effect of whether there should be any drug laws, said 'well, I don't think people should be allowed to sell heroin to 5 year olds', to which the audience responded with massive booing. Was pretty amazing. This clip is legendary and makes rounds on the internet every few years: On September 14 2023 15:26 RvB wrote: The LP in the US is not libertarian anymore. It is taken over by the Mises Caucus and contrary to their name they do not align with the views of Mises. They're a more extreme version of the Republicans. Oh man I didn't know what the hell that was.... it's so stupid because if you wanna be charitable to the libertarians, I get the "socially liberal fiscally conservative" maybe makes sense if you only care about individuals and 0 intervention...... but it appears they just reinvented Republicanism? Absurd. | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On September 15 2023 12:30 lestye wrote: This clip is legendary and makes rounds on the internet every few years: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZITP93pqtdQ Oh man I didn't know what the hell that was.... it's so stupid because if you wanna be charitable to the libertarians, I get the "socially liberal fiscally conservative" maybe makes sense if you only care about individuals and 0 intervention...... but it appears they just reinvented Republicanism? Absurd. They just seem to have been a party that appeals to either: 1) Republicans who don't want to admit it, or 2) people who were specifically high on the Republican-sold fantasy that everyone is free and so is the market. The party ends up just becoming like a waiting room for Republicans who haven't figured out what they're doing yet. | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28674 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25475 Posts
On September 15 2023 10:17 NewSunshine wrote: Well yeah. Admitting that you weren't fully informed and that you've changed your opinion is a sign of weakness and hypocrisy, and so you get boo'ed because you are then "losing". That's the framework. I’d say that seems to be the framework most places, more so than it used to be. Perhaps more extreme/obvious in the US context. Youse have to do everything bigger after all! Which is completely daft when people complain about politicians. If the electoral filter is skewed against people who can admit they don’t know something, or change positions with new information, it’s ridiculous to complain that the representation one gets is full of good liars and confident bullshitters. The curious part to me is not that the phenomena exists but that it seems considerably worse than even when I was a teen, as to why I’m unsure although have theories. This does also imply a move in the opposite direction would be possible given the right conditions. | ||
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