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JimmiC
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Blitzkrieg0
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Do I think that Democrats lost seats in the house in 2020 because Manchin is a senator? Nope. Do I think that democrats don't have 51 seats or more in the senate because of Manchin? Nope. Do I think that people focusing on Manchin instead of any of the other 50 seats held by Republicans is a waste of time and effort? Absolutely. It's not like Manchin is some secret coal mogul and democrats didn't know that he wouldn't vote for the bill that would ruin his business. You should be asking why Schumer even tried to pass such a bill instead of why Manchin isn't voting for it or getting whipped. One of the dev leads I used to work with always told us. Underpromise then overdeliver. Democrats would do well to learn that instead of constantly doing the opposite. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7125 Posts
You guys seriously out here believing that Americans are electorally unaffected by national perception of a party’s execution of their political agenda? Am I the only one who lived through the reality where we had Georgia senatorial runoffs where Democrats pushed super hard to flip two senate seats with all those sweet whispers of how good it’d be for everyone? Did you all live through some alternate reality where Democrats shrugged at Georgians and said “we won’t do much but gonna vote for Republicans? lol.” But no, you guys are right, the Democrats look really good nationally and no one thinks that Democrats trying to negotiate bills into the gutter only for Manchin to torpedo it anyways is a bad thing and people in the US are so super good and informed and nuanced in their political intake, they totally think and vote without any thought for the what a Democrat controlled House and Senate has looked like so far! I look forward to that 70+ Democrats that we’ll have in the Senate after the midterms! Since Americans are so super able to navigate national politics with such great nuance and patience and all. | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On July 17 2022 08:53 Zambrah wrote: If people genuinely think that publicly making the Democrats look weak and inept has absolutely no bearing on how the public sees Democrats and has no effect on the Democrats election chances at large then they better not come at me for being idealistic or unrealistic ever again lmao. If you read my post and concluded that I don't think Democrats look weak instead of Schumer makes democrats look weak not Manchin I can't help you. If you need a consensus for dinner and decide that you're going to convince the vegan that you're going to serve everyone meat for dinner are you the idiot or the vegan? The democrats decided to pass a climate change bill with a coal mogul as a required vote, but somehow you think that reflects poorly on Manchin and not everyone else. Also you think they should expel Manchin from the party so that they can't pass any judicial nominations to make themselves even more impotent. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7125 Posts
On July 17 2022 09:02 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: If you read my post and concluded that I don't think Democrats look weak instead of Schumer makes democrats look weak not Manchin I can't help you. If you need a consensus for dinner and decide that you're going to convince the vegan that you're going to serve everyone meat for dinner are you the idiot or the vegan? The democrats decided to pass a climate change bill with a coal mogul as a required vote, but somehow you think that reflects poorly on Manchin and not everyone else. Do you extend this lack of blame to Republicans? Are they as blameless as Manchin in your eyes? Schumer obviously doesn't look good, but anyone in any leadership position as a Democrat looks bad (every prospective senatorial candidate does too) when Manchin continues to be an obstructionist. If Manchin had sit down and shut his filthy fucking hole and voted with the rest of the Democrats I bet Biden wouldn't have approval ratings that had been flushed down the toilet. Why are we letting the vegan into the meat eater's dinner? Why are we letting the vegan shut us down repeatedly? Everyone is going hungry and noone thinks to tell the vegan to fuck off? If Democrats want to be able to play the "sorry guys we're powerless and need you to elect more Democrats" card then they need to like, not control both chambers of Congress or it makes them look real stupid and incompetent. People don't want to vote for people who are in the news cycle looking stupid and incompetent. If they want to play that card when they control congress they need to actively and publicly look like theyre trying to remedy the situation instead of shrugging when Manchin says "nah, lol." Remove him from committee assignments, threaten him with defunding his campaign, whip his vote for christ's sake. If you lose him then you lose a spoiler and get to continue with the "we need more Democrats guys" in earnest, and if you win you get his vote. Drop fucking Manchin, like I keep saying his seat is 100% gone when he chooses to leave or dies, Democrats are shitting on their public image by letting Manchin play the spoiler and get away with it and they're doing it for like a decade of one Senate seat. What about Blue Wall? The Sunbelt? These could be strong and regularly Democrat areas if Democrats were aggressively doing good work. Democrats could have a firm hand over electoral politics if they'd actually do something that really benefits people, Democrat voters need them to do things to keep energy and enthusiasm (and you know, quality of life) high, these are not Republicans whose only goal in life is to stick it to the other party. Manchin is a colossal speed bump that prevents anyone at being any brand of excited at Democrats or the prospect of Democrats, and that depresses turnout. Republicans already have a general Senatorial advantage given how fucked up the US government is, the one tool Democrats have to compete is immense turnout and we can't get that when Democrats spend their tenure in control of Congress tripping over themselves. He is not worth it. | ||
KwarK
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Zambrah
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JimmiC
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Zambrah
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On July 17 2022 09:51 JimmiC wrote: That is everyone else's point. The issue is not Manchin it is that the Dems do not have enough left votes (in the public and in the senate). Getting rid of Manchin does not fix that problem it makes it worse. Do you not see the problem here? Democrats need more senators. Yes, fucking obviously. How do they get them? Magic? Is the American voting populace going to magically change to become Vote Blue No Matter Who people? No, Democrats don't win elections that way, they win elections by motivating turnout and inspiring people towards change. What about the current situation makes you think Democrats are really motivational? Why isn't this Democrat controlled congress motivational to voters? The problem is that Manchin makes motivating people to vote Democrat hard when Democrats control congress because everyone is seeing Democrats fail when they're handed congress, and theyre failing primarily at the hands of Joe fuckin Manchin. | ||
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micronesia
United States24579 Posts
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JimmiC
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Zambrah
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Yeah, right, Bidens approval ratings are through the roof because Americans are super satisfied with how Democrats are handling power. | ||
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JimmiC
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Zambrah
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JimmiC
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Zambrah
United States7125 Posts
Fuck West Virginia. Focus on places where Democrat policies are genuinely popular instead of trying so fucking hard to protect one senate seat in one state that is going to go pure red as soon as their one remaining blue Senator bounces. | ||
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JimmiC
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Starlightsun
United States1405 Posts
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Zambrah
United States7125 Posts
On July 17 2022 12:08 JimmiC wrote: No one is protecting him, he does not need it, hence the power. He still has his committee seats. | ||
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Kyadytim
United States886 Posts
Yeah, we all knew that was bullshit. By a nearly four-to-one margin, Idaho Republicans at the state party’s convention in Twin Falls rejected an amendment to the party platform on Saturday that would have provided an exception for a mother who has an abortion to safe her life. idahocapitalsun.com | ||
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