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Another Trump presidency would be hard to stomach. Is there even a discussion about an alternative to Biden in '24 in the US democratic party? I'm afraid they'll do another Hillary by fielding the most attackable candidate available (again!).
I think someone like John Fetterman would seal the deal. Hope he's alright after the stroke.
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On May 25 2022 16:33 r00ty wrote:
While understandable (i would NOT raise kids in the US), it's still fucking sad to see good people rather leave, than trying to do something about the more than obvious problems in their country. Democracy in the most powerful nation the world has ever seen is at stake, we need you guys. Because there realistically is nothing they can do.
Democracy in the US requires a progressive super majority in both Congress and the Senate. And even if you get improvements passed there is a good chance the courts will dismantle it later.
How many times has the ACA been 1 judge vote away from being thrown out?
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On May 25 2022 17:41 Aceace wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2022 07:32 plasmidghost wrote:On May 25 2022 07:14 JimmiC wrote:Guns, Jesus and babies will solve this. It is a false flag by the deep state. Here comes the excuses. Like I said Biden does not matter, you could have a house cat as the opponent of a Rep right now and it comes down to whether you think everything awful is the deepstates fault or if maybe there is some actual issues to tackle. And yes the cat could tackle them better than Trump because the cat won't reverse what little exists. Edit: the Ted Cruz answer is more gunz! Damn all these other countries without gunz do not have this problem, but the USA which has the most gunz and the most shootings, I KNOW I KNOW what will fix it, MORE GUNZ!!! You know inevitably, when there's a murderer of this kind, you see politicians try to politicize it, you see Democrats and a lot of folks in the media whose immediate solution is to try to restrict the constitutional rights of law abiding citizens. That doesn't work. It's not effective. It doesn't prevent crime,” he said.
Instead, Cruz advocated for more armed law enforcement resources on school campuses.
“There's no doubt we need to do more to keep children in school safe. We know from past experience one of the most effective tool for keeping kids safe is armed law enforcement on the campus. We don't know the details of what happened at Robb Elementary School, but there will be a lot of time to examine what steps could have been taken proactively to enhance the safety and security of the school right now," he said. We are literally living in a police state that gets more fascist every day Nonono... You don't live in a police state. I do. You live in a free state, idiots being in charge. If at least %50 of American's demand a change, sooner or later things will be better. I live in a police state, being charged by a clever dictator. Even if more then %50 of Turks demand a change, there is no guarantee. Because you know... If you have absolute power, you will absolutely try everything to keep that power. There is a hope for you, not for me.
My good man, the last two Republicans who were president lost the popular vote.
We are not a functional democracy.
We don't have a singular dictator, but what we do have is a class of people that have all of the power and wield that power to keep themselves in power to enrich themselves and their friends. The actual people dont have any real control with regards to what goes on in American politics.
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On May 25 2022 18:25 Zambrah wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2022 17:41 Aceace wrote:On May 25 2022 07:32 plasmidghost wrote:On May 25 2022 07:14 JimmiC wrote:Guns, Jesus and babies will solve this. It is a false flag by the deep state. Here comes the excuses. Like I said Biden does not matter, you could have a house cat as the opponent of a Rep right now and it comes down to whether you think everything awful is the deepstates fault or if maybe there is some actual issues to tackle. And yes the cat could tackle them better than Trump because the cat won't reverse what little exists. Edit: the Ted Cruz answer is more gunz! Damn all these other countries without gunz do not have this problem, but the USA which has the most gunz and the most shootings, I KNOW I KNOW what will fix it, MORE GUNZ!!! You know inevitably, when there's a murderer of this kind, you see politicians try to politicize it, you see Democrats and a lot of folks in the media whose immediate solution is to try to restrict the constitutional rights of law abiding citizens. That doesn't work. It's not effective. It doesn't prevent crime,” he said.
Instead, Cruz advocated for more armed law enforcement resources on school campuses.
“There's no doubt we need to do more to keep children in school safe. We know from past experience one of the most effective tool for keeping kids safe is armed law enforcement on the campus. We don't know the details of what happened at Robb Elementary School, but there will be a lot of time to examine what steps could have been taken proactively to enhance the safety and security of the school right now," he said. We are literally living in a police state that gets more fascist every day Nonono... You don't live in a police state. I do. You live in a free state, idiots being in charge. If at least %50 of American's demand a change, sooner or later things will be better. I live in a police state, being charged by a clever dictator. Even if more then %50 of Turks demand a change, there is no guarantee. Because you know... If you have absolute power, you will absolutely try everything to keep that power. There is a hope for you, not for me. My good man, the last two Republicans who were president lost the popular vote. We are not a functional democracy. We don't have a singular dictator, but what we do have is a class of people that have all of the power and wield that power to keep themselves in power to enrich themselves and their friends. The actual people dont have any real control with regards to what goes on in American politics. The US is not a good functional Democracy but I hope you can understand that someone who lives in an actual dictatorship where saying the wrong thing will get you thrown in jail and possibly tortured could take offence at you trying to equate the two.
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Im not equating anything, Im telling him that we are not some free state where the will of the people rules because we're not.
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On May 25 2022 17:41 Aceace wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2022 07:32 plasmidghost wrote:On May 25 2022 07:14 JimmiC wrote:Guns, Jesus and babies will solve this. It is a false flag by the deep state. Here comes the excuses. Like I said Biden does not matter, you could have a house cat as the opponent of a Rep right now and it comes down to whether you think everything awful is the deepstates fault or if maybe there is some actual issues to tackle. And yes the cat could tackle them better than Trump because the cat won't reverse what little exists. Edit: the Ted Cruz answer is more gunz! Damn all these other countries without gunz do not have this problem, but the USA which has the most gunz and the most shootings, I KNOW I KNOW what will fix it, MORE GUNZ!!! You know inevitably, when there's a murderer of this kind, you see politicians try to politicize it, you see Democrats and a lot of folks in the media whose immediate solution is to try to restrict the constitutional rights of law abiding citizens. That doesn't work. It's not effective. It doesn't prevent crime,” he said.
Instead, Cruz advocated for more armed law enforcement resources on school campuses.
“There's no doubt we need to do more to keep children in school safe. We know from past experience one of the most effective tool for keeping kids safe is armed law enforcement on the campus. We don't know the details of what happened at Robb Elementary School, but there will be a lot of time to examine what steps could have been taken proactively to enhance the safety and security of the school right now," he said. We are literally living in a police state that gets more fascist every day Nonono... You don't live in a police state. I do. You live in a free state, idiots being in charge. If at least %50 of American's demand a change, sooner or later things will be better. I live in a police state, being charged by a clever dictator. Even if more then %50 of Turks demand a change, there is no guarantee. Because you know... If you have absolute power, you will absolutely try everything to keep that power. There is a hope for you, not for me.
Hey man, don’t ruin the immersion for them
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On May 25 2022 18:43 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2022 18:25 Zambrah wrote:On May 25 2022 17:41 Aceace wrote:On May 25 2022 07:32 plasmidghost wrote:On May 25 2022 07:14 JimmiC wrote:Guns, Jesus and babies will solve this. It is a false flag by the deep state. Here comes the excuses. Like I said Biden does not matter, you could have a house cat as the opponent of a Rep right now and it comes down to whether you think everything awful is the deepstates fault or if maybe there is some actual issues to tackle. And yes the cat could tackle them better than Trump because the cat won't reverse what little exists. Edit: the Ted Cruz answer is more gunz! Damn all these other countries without gunz do not have this problem, but the USA which has the most gunz and the most shootings, I KNOW I KNOW what will fix it, MORE GUNZ!!! You know inevitably, when there's a murderer of this kind, you see politicians try to politicize it, you see Democrats and a lot of folks in the media whose immediate solution is to try to restrict the constitutional rights of law abiding citizens. That doesn't work. It's not effective. It doesn't prevent crime,” he said.
Instead, Cruz advocated for more armed law enforcement resources on school campuses.
“There's no doubt we need to do more to keep children in school safe. We know from past experience one of the most effective tool for keeping kids safe is armed law enforcement on the campus. We don't know the details of what happened at Robb Elementary School, but there will be a lot of time to examine what steps could have been taken proactively to enhance the safety and security of the school right now," he said. We are literally living in a police state that gets more fascist every day Nonono... You don't live in a police state. I do. You live in a free state, idiots being in charge. If at least %50 of American's demand a change, sooner or later things will be better. I live in a police state, being charged by a clever dictator. Even if more then %50 of Turks demand a change, there is no guarantee. Because you know... If you have absolute power, you will absolutely try everything to keep that power. There is a hope for you, not for me. My good man, the last two Republicans who were president lost the popular vote. We are not a functional democracy. We don't have a singular dictator, but what we do have is a class of people that have all of the power and wield that power to keep themselves in power to enrich themselves and their friends. The actual people dont have any real control with regards to what goes on in American politics. The US is not a good functional Democracy but I hope you can understand that someone who lives in an actual dictatorship where saying the wrong thing will get you thrown in jail and possibly tortured could take offence at you trying to equate the two.
When you are politically or financially relevant enough that can happen in the US too. Or peeps get ‘suicided’ or assassinated.
It’s just not something that uncommon across governments. But it’s more comfortable to think that one’s living in a just place.
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On May 25 2022 19:38 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2022 17:41 Aceace wrote:On May 25 2022 07:32 plasmidghost wrote:On May 25 2022 07:14 JimmiC wrote:Guns, Jesus and babies will solve this. It is a false flag by the deep state. Here comes the excuses. Like I said Biden does not matter, you could have a house cat as the opponent of a Rep right now and it comes down to whether you think everything awful is the deepstates fault or if maybe there is some actual issues to tackle. And yes the cat could tackle them better than Trump because the cat won't reverse what little exists. Edit: the Ted Cruz answer is more gunz! Damn all these other countries without gunz do not have this problem, but the USA which has the most gunz and the most shootings, I KNOW I KNOW what will fix it, MORE GUNZ!!! You know inevitably, when there's a murderer of this kind, you see politicians try to politicize it, you see Democrats and a lot of folks in the media whose immediate solution is to try to restrict the constitutional rights of law abiding citizens. That doesn't work. It's not effective. It doesn't prevent crime,” he said.
Instead, Cruz advocated for more armed law enforcement resources on school campuses.
“There's no doubt we need to do more to keep children in school safe. We know from past experience one of the most effective tool for keeping kids safe is armed law enforcement on the campus. We don't know the details of what happened at Robb Elementary School, but there will be a lot of time to examine what steps could have been taken proactively to enhance the safety and security of the school right now," he said. We are literally living in a police state that gets more fascist every day Nonono... You don't live in a police state. I do. You live in a free state, idiots being in charge. If at least %50 of American's demand a change, sooner or later things will be better. I live in a police state, being charged by a clever dictator. Even if more then %50 of Turks demand a change, there is no guarantee. Because you know... If you have absolute power, you will absolutely try everything to keep that power. There is a hope for you, not for me. Hey man, don’t ruin the immersion for them
To be fair, the statement "If at least %50 of American's demand a change, sooner or later things will be better" is objectively wrong, and the statement "Even if more then %50 of Turks demand a change, there is no guarantee" is exactly applicable to the United States too. I'm not saying that the United States is a dictatorship or is identical to Turkey, but just as how some parts of American dysfunctionality might be exaggerated in some ways, other parts of American dysfunctionality clearly aren't well known (or are even understated).
Certainly, in the school shooting context, the fact that the majority of Americans want additional gun reform means absolutely nothing in terms of whether or not actual gun reform will ever happen. Every year we have some school shootings; every day we have a mass shooting. We say "thoughts and prayers" and move on, changing nothing, despite the fact that the majority of Americans claim to want to improve situations regarding poverty, discrimination, gun access, drugs, healthcare, mental health, and any other topic that tends to be tied to gun homicides and suicides in our country.
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On May 25 2022 22:55 JimmiC wrote:Uhoh Trumps love affair with Russia may be coming to an end, they made the fatal error of not saying nice things about him and instead pointing out some facts. Maybe Trump will not realize that their puppet news is straight from Putin and still have that crush but we shall see, Trump has crazy thin skin. https://ca.yahoo.com/news/russian-tv-host-says-donald-075210698.htmlShow nested quote +They regularly claim that Russia is a fascist country. Listen, you bastards," Solovyov said.
"You're offering hallmarks of a fascist state," Solovyov said. "Secondly, looking at your listed indications (of fascism). How are they any different from the election campaigns of Donald Trump? Down to his slogan, 'Make America Great Again.'"
Solovyov then referenced how the MAGA slogan was based around "discussions of former greatness." Solovyov then argued that MAGA was not unlike what Snyder referenced in his op-ed: fascist myths of a golden age and imperial greatness.
"Donald Trump, Make America Great Again — the cult of one leader," Solovyov said.
"Visual symbols as a sign of belonging? What about Donald Trump's red hats?" he added, citing symbols of what he argued were emblems of American fascism. "Mass events in support of the leader — do you want me to play a clip of the dancing Trump?"
He also accused Trump of perpetuating "hate speech."
It's a pretty fair rebuttal. Wikipedia defines fascism as radical, authoritarian ultranationalism, and characterized by dictatorial power and forcible suppression of opposition. So, yes, Putin and Trump are both fascists.
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On May 25 2022 20:31 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2022 19:38 BlackJack wrote:On May 25 2022 17:41 Aceace wrote:On May 25 2022 07:32 plasmidghost wrote:On May 25 2022 07:14 JimmiC wrote:Guns, Jesus and babies will solve this. It is a false flag by the deep state. Here comes the excuses. Like I said Biden does not matter, you could have a house cat as the opponent of a Rep right now and it comes down to whether you think everything awful is the deepstates fault or if maybe there is some actual issues to tackle. And yes the cat could tackle them better than Trump because the cat won't reverse what little exists. Edit: the Ted Cruz answer is more gunz! Damn all these other countries without gunz do not have this problem, but the USA which has the most gunz and the most shootings, I KNOW I KNOW what will fix it, MORE GUNZ!!! You know inevitably, when there's a murderer of this kind, you see politicians try to politicize it, you see Democrats and a lot of folks in the media whose immediate solution is to try to restrict the constitutional rights of law abiding citizens. That doesn't work. It's not effective. It doesn't prevent crime,” he said.
Instead, Cruz advocated for more armed law enforcement resources on school campuses.
“There's no doubt we need to do more to keep children in school safe. We know from past experience one of the most effective tool for keeping kids safe is armed law enforcement on the campus. We don't know the details of what happened at Robb Elementary School, but there will be a lot of time to examine what steps could have been taken proactively to enhance the safety and security of the school right now," he said. We are literally living in a police state that gets more fascist every day Nonono... You don't live in a police state. I do. You live in a free state, idiots being in charge. If at least %50 of American's demand a change, sooner or later things will be better. I live in a police state, being charged by a clever dictator. Even if more then %50 of Turks demand a change, there is no guarantee. Because you know... If you have absolute power, you will absolutely try everything to keep that power. There is a hope for you, not for me. Hey man, don’t ruin the immersion for them To be fair, the statement "If at least %50 of American's demand a change, sooner or later things will be better" is objectively wrong, and the statement "Even if more then %50 of Turks demand a change, there is no guarantee" is exactly applicable to the United States too. I'm not saying that the United States is a dictatorship or is identical to Turkey, but just as how some parts of American dysfunctionality might be exaggerated in some ways, other parts of American dysfunctionality clearly aren't well known (or are even understated). Certainly, in the school shooting context, the fact that the majority of Americans want additional gun reform means absolutely nothing in terms of whether or not actual gun reform will ever happen. Every year we have some school shootings; every day we have a mass shooting. We say "thoughts and prayers" and move on, changing nothing, despite the fact that the majority of Americans claim to want to improve situations regarding poverty, discrimination, gun access, drugs, healthcare, mental health, and any other topic that tends to be tied to gun homicides and suicides in our country.
Afaik you can get jailed in turkey for mentionning the economic climate. Definitly further down on the road to fascism than the US.
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On May 25 2022 19:38 BlackJack wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2022 17:41 Aceace wrote:On May 25 2022 07:32 plasmidghost wrote:On May 25 2022 07:14 JimmiC wrote:Guns, Jesus and babies will solve this. It is a false flag by the deep state. Here comes the excuses. Like I said Biden does not matter, you could have a house cat as the opponent of a Rep right now and it comes down to whether you think everything awful is the deepstates fault or if maybe there is some actual issues to tackle. And yes the cat could tackle them better than Trump because the cat won't reverse what little exists. Edit: the Ted Cruz answer is more gunz! Damn all these other countries without gunz do not have this problem, but the USA which has the most gunz and the most shootings, I KNOW I KNOW what will fix it, MORE GUNZ!!! You know inevitably, when there's a murderer of this kind, you see politicians try to politicize it, you see Democrats and a lot of folks in the media whose immediate solution is to try to restrict the constitutional rights of law abiding citizens. That doesn't work. It's not effective. It doesn't prevent crime,” he said.
Instead, Cruz advocated for more armed law enforcement resources on school campuses.
“There's no doubt we need to do more to keep children in school safe. We know from past experience one of the most effective tool for keeping kids safe is armed law enforcement on the campus. We don't know the details of what happened at Robb Elementary School, but there will be a lot of time to examine what steps could have been taken proactively to enhance the safety and security of the school right now," he said. We are literally living in a police state that gets more fascist every day Nonono... You don't live in a police state. I do. You live in a free state, idiots being in charge. If at least %50 of American's demand a change, sooner or later things will be better. I live in a police state, being charged by a clever dictator. Even if more then %50 of Turks demand a change, there is no guarantee. Because you know... If you have absolute power, you will absolutely try everything to keep that power. There is a hope for you, not for me. Hey man, don’t ruin the immersion for them
You strike me as someone for whom being smarter/better at critical thinking than the lib masses is a big part of their political identity. I don’t mean that as a huge criticism (hardly anybody has a good word to say about “liberals” these days) but it can lend itself to a sort of snide contrarianism if you’re not careful.
So rather than oblique mockery, why not address the claim in front of you directly? From where I’m sitting it looks like the political factions in the US are increasingly unwilling to do anything but escalate tactics for harming each other. Using state power to imprison people or have CPS take their kids away is a political winner, if the targets are seen as representing the other side. Outright ignoring election outcomes and just keeping or seizing power has never been more popular. There’s more public fantasizing about killing each other than there’s ever been in my lifetime. I can’t actually imagine a mechanism by which this would get better, and I can imagine so, so many ways it could continue to get worse.
I don’t have such specific predictions as plasmidghost’s “2025” but I certainly think this can only tend toward catastrophe. Do you disagree? Where do you think this analysis is failing? I said on this forum some time early 2021 something like “we all keep doing and redoing math on how far we are from the cliff, and how fast we’re going, and how much braking power we have, but the math isn’t actually that hard; it’s just that the answer we keep getting is unthinkable.” That feels more true to me now than it ever has. If your math is coming out differently I’d love if you’d show your work.
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That's why you can't have abortions, gotta compensate for those mass shootings 
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On May 26 2022 00:28 ChristianS wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2022 19:38 BlackJack wrote:On May 25 2022 17:41 Aceace wrote:On May 25 2022 07:32 plasmidghost wrote:On May 25 2022 07:14 JimmiC wrote:Guns, Jesus and babies will solve this. It is a false flag by the deep state. Here comes the excuses. Like I said Biden does not matter, you could have a house cat as the opponent of a Rep right now and it comes down to whether you think everything awful is the deepstates fault or if maybe there is some actual issues to tackle. And yes the cat could tackle them better than Trump because the cat won't reverse what little exists. Edit: the Ted Cruz answer is more gunz! Damn all these other countries without gunz do not have this problem, but the USA which has the most gunz and the most shootings, I KNOW I KNOW what will fix it, MORE GUNZ!!! You know inevitably, when there's a murderer of this kind, you see politicians try to politicize it, you see Democrats and a lot of folks in the media whose immediate solution is to try to restrict the constitutional rights of law abiding citizens. That doesn't work. It's not effective. It doesn't prevent crime,” he said.
Instead, Cruz advocated for more armed law enforcement resources on school campuses.
“There's no doubt we need to do more to keep children in school safe. We know from past experience one of the most effective tool for keeping kids safe is armed law enforcement on the campus. We don't know the details of what happened at Robb Elementary School, but there will be a lot of time to examine what steps could have been taken proactively to enhance the safety and security of the school right now," he said. We are literally living in a police state that gets more fascist every day Nonono... You don't live in a police state. I do. You live in a free state, idiots being in charge. If at least %50 of American's demand a change, sooner or later things will be better. I live in a police state, being charged by a clever dictator. Even if more then %50 of Turks demand a change, there is no guarantee. Because you know... If you have absolute power, you will absolutely try everything to keep that power. There is a hope for you, not for me. Hey man, don’t ruin the immersion for them You strike me as someone for whom being smarter/better at critical thinking than the lib masses is a big part of their political identity. I don’t mean that as a huge criticism (hardly anybody has a good word to say about “liberals” these days) but it can lend itself to a sort of snide contrarianism if you’re not careful. So rather than oblique mockery, why not address the claim in front of you directly? From where I’m sitting it looks like the political factions in the US are increasingly unwilling to do anything but escalate tactics for harming each other. Using state power to imprison people or have CPS take their kids away is a political winner, if the targets are seen as representing the other side. Outright ignoring election outcomes and just keeping or seizing power has never been more popular. There’s more public fantasizing about killing each other than there’s ever been in my lifetime. I can’t actually imagine a mechanism by which this would get better, and I can imagine so, so many ways it could continue to get worse. I don’t have such specific predictions as plasmidghost’s “2025” but I certainly think this can only tend toward catastrophe. Do you disagree? Where do you think this analysis is failing? I said on this forum some time early 2021 something like “we all keep doing and redoing math on how far we are from the cliff, and how fast we’re going, and how much braking power we have, but the math isn’t actually that hard; it’s just that the answer we keep getting is unthinkable.” That feels more true to me now than it ever has. If your math is coming out differently I’d love if you’d show your work.
Do you think there is an argument I could formulate that would change the mind of someone that thinks the US is a "police state that's getting more fascist every day"? Is that something you believe as well?
I agree that our society is more polarized and our language is more inflammatory than it has ever been in my lifetime. I don't know where this is headed although I'm a lot more optimistic than most people here. I'm just confused that if you're so concerned why not do more in calling out the incendiary and hyperbolic posts themselves instead of calling me out for mocking them?
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On May 26 2022 05:09 nojok wrote:That's why you can't have abortions, gotta compensate for those mass shootings
Could we reframe school shootings as ultra-late-term abortions? Maybe then republicans would do something about them.
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