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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-03-30 22:57:13
March 30 2021 22:55 GMT
#62581
Just dropped that the FBI is investigating Matt Gaetz for a relationship with a 17 year old girl when he was 30. Fbi is involved since they think he paid her to visit him. I have a lot of questions still. Also, I think this is the first normal political scandal of the Biden administration from a congressman (and there have only been 1 or two from his staffers). Also confusing due to the whole unrelated, strange circumstances surrounding his adopted(?) live in cuban male teen.

Also comes on the heels of a report he's leaving congress for newsmax... A decision that would be explained by this story.

Per NYT

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/30/us/politics/matt-gaetz-sex-trafficking-investigation.html
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18856 Posts
March 30 2021 22:56 GMT
#62582
On March 31 2021 07:55 Nevuk wrote:
Just dropped that the FBI is investigating Matt Gaetz for a relationship with a 17 year old girl when he was 30. Fbi is involved since they think he paid her to visit him. I have a lot of questions still. Also, I think this is the first normal political scandal of the Biden administration from a congressman (and there have only been 1 or two from his staffers).

Per NYT


The reporting on his considering leaving Congress for Newsmax makes more sense now, dude should get absolutely fucked for being the trash bag he is.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
March 30 2021 23:01 GMT
#62583
On March 31 2021 07:56 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2021 07:55 Nevuk wrote:
Just dropped that the FBI is investigating Matt Gaetz for a relationship with a 17 year old girl when he was 30. Fbi is involved since they think he paid her to visit him. I have a lot of questions still. Also, I think this is the first normal political scandal of the Biden administration from a congressman (and there have only been 1 or two from his staffers).

Per NYT


The reporting on his considering leaving Congress for Newsmax makes more sense now, dude should get absolutely fucked for being the trash bag he is.

Yeah, but I'd rather be went down for one of his... Infinite other problems. This is strange, creepy, and pathetic, but it isn't nearly as bad as things he's done non sexually. Like, wouldn't he be able to plea this down to a misdimeanor if he wasn't a congressman? I don't really know.

It's gonna be yet another indictment of just how deeply of puritan roots we have in our country if he goes down for this and not his multiple duis.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18856 Posts
March 30 2021 23:05 GMT
#62584
Totally agree, but when fate shows up for once and shows itself willing to hold someone accountable, even for something that should pale in comparison to a multitude of other awful things, perhaps we should not look the gift horse in the mouth.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-03-30 23:17:41
March 30 2021 23:17 GMT
#62585
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StalkerTL
Profile Joined May 2020
212 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-03-31 03:00:17
March 31 2021 02:36 GMT
#62586
He’s 100% guilty based on his interview about the allegations with Tucker. Not only is he implicating himself and merely trying to shift the blame on everyone making the allegations and dancing around with “well, it’s technically not pedophilia” like people often caught with this stuff, he’s trying to bring Tucker down with him by directly suggesting that Tucker has engaged in similar behaviour.

Tucker is really doing his best Mariah Carey impersonation and I don’t blame him, I don’t know why you would say something like that in an interview. The biggest PR fuck up of what should be an easy softball interview.

It blows my mind someone has enough balls to say "the age of consent is 16..." on live TV. Sir, she was technically one day past her 17th birthday! She was of legal age, I made sure to check! That sort of reasoning just sets of alarm bells.

Edit: Yeah Gaetz was all about that cancel culture and tried to bring Tucker on his side. Tucker wanted none of that shit, because no one likes a goddamn creep at best and a pedophile at worst, and quickly shut him down. The strangest interview I’ve seen in a while.
Husyelt
Profile Blog Joined May 2020
United States837 Posts
March 31 2021 02:44 GMT
#62587
When was the last time a high ranking politician got caught doing something illegal or improper and just flat out admitted it from the get go and actually apologized? Fuck this guy
You're getting cynical and that won't do I'd throw the rose tint back on the exploded view
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4742 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-03-31 07:48:44
March 31 2021 07:47 GMT
#62588
On March 31 2021 08:01 Nevuk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2021 07:56 farvacola wrote:
On March 31 2021 07:55 Nevuk wrote:
Just dropped that the FBI is investigating Matt Gaetz for a relationship with a 17 year old girl when he was 30. Fbi is involved since they think he paid her to visit him. I have a lot of questions still. Also, I think this is the first normal political scandal of the Biden administration from a congressman (and there have only been 1 or two from his staffers).

Per NYT


The reporting on his considering leaving Congress for Newsmax makes more sense now, dude should get absolutely fucked for being the trash bag he is.


It's gonna be yet another indictment of just how deeply of puritan roots we have in our country if he goes down for this and not his multiple duis.


Yeah and it is ilustrated by posts below Yours. Really as not US citizen i am more troubled by the fact that he paid her for sex than the sex itself. I mean 17 year old having sex with 30 year old is not really common but it is not as problematic to me as paying minor to have sex.
Pathetic Greta hater.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-03-31 13:28:07
March 31 2021 13:27 GMT
#62589
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ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9037 Posts
March 31 2021 14:51 GMT
#62590
Well. This thing (Infrastructure Plan) is massive but also promising if even half of this gets started and results are shown within 5 years. But I don't know if hey have the capital. There's just too much going on that needs to be done and priorities are ever-changing. I am curious though.
President Biden on Wednesday will unveil a sprawling, ambitious infrastructure proposal that, if enacted, would overhaul how Americans get from Point A to Point B, how their electricity is generated, the speed of their Internet connections, the quality of their water and the physical makeup of their children's schools.

The measure, called the American Jobs Plan, includes big infrastructure fixes that both major parties — as well as a majority of Americans — consistently say they want to see, including upgrades to bridges, broadband and buildings.

The $2 trillion proposal includes:

$115 billion to repair and rebuild bridges, highways and roads;
$100 billion to expand high-speed broadband across the entire country;
$100 billion to upgrade and build new schools;
and $100 billion to expand and improve power lines and spur a shift to clean energy.
Embedded within the plan are efforts to build out U.S. clean energy infrastructure that, by itself, would rank as one of the most ambitious initiatives ever by the federal government to lower the country's greenhouse gas emissions, along with efforts to address racial inequalities and advance the U.S. economy to compete with China.

That's if the measure is signed into law.

Source
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
March 31 2021 15:10 GMT
#62591
On March 31 2021 23:51 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Well. This thing (Infrastructure Plan) is massive but also promising if even half of this gets started and results are shown within 5 years. But I don't know if hey have the capital. There's just too much going on that needs to be done and priorities are ever-changing. I am curious though.
Show nested quote +
President Biden on Wednesday will unveil a sprawling, ambitious infrastructure proposal that, if enacted, would overhaul how Americans get from Point A to Point B, how their electricity is generated, the speed of their Internet connections, the quality of their water and the physical makeup of their children's schools.

The measure, called the American Jobs Plan, includes big infrastructure fixes that both major parties — as well as a majority of Americans — consistently say they want to see, including upgrades to bridges, broadband and buildings.

The $2 trillion proposal includes:

$115 billion to repair and rebuild bridges, highways and roads;
$100 billion to expand high-speed broadband across the entire country;
$100 billion to upgrade and build new schools;
and $100 billion to expand and improve power lines and spur a shift to clean energy.
Embedded within the plan are efforts to build out U.S. clean energy infrastructure that, by itself, would rank as one of the most ambitious initiatives ever by the federal government to lower the country's greenhouse gas emissions, along with efforts to address racial inequalities and advance the U.S. economy to compete with China.

That's if the measure is signed into law.

Source

I think they do have the capitol. Manchin has said he's on board for this and Sinema is unlikely to stick out her head and get it chopped off without a redirect.

The environment is massively different from 2009 : there was a sense that the GOP had fucked up so badly they were going to be out of power for a generation, similar to the great depression.

Instead the dems fucked around for 12 months trying to compromise with them and lost basically all power for a decade.

Now all the senators know their job is on the line unless they get massive and substantial change done. Also, Biden is white (it really can't be stated enough just how much this matters to the GOP's crazed, frothing at the mouth, racist base).

PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32746 Posts
March 31 2021 15:50 GMT
#62592
They have the votes for the infrastructure bill from what I can tell. They've got another reconciliation available and this will almost certainly be a party-line vote which means they can pass it. Manchin actually wanted the infrastructure bill to be bigger ($4 trillion I think) and Sinema hasn't been vocal with criticisms about it. I sense Biden is also quite tickled by the comparisons to FDR and LBJ and would like to leave a similar legacy, so he'll do all he can to muster support.

As Nevuk said, the Democrats aren't making the same mistakes Obama made and aren't waiting on compromise or traditional bipartisanship. No point in kneecapping your ambitions waiting on Republicans in Congress to have a sudden change of heart, especially with the midterms looming. If you're going to be locked out of a trifecta, you may as well go big with the power you're wielding right now.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4742 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-03-31 15:53:47
March 31 2021 15:51 GMT
#62593
On March 31 2021 22:27 JimmiC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2021 16:47 Silvanel wrote:
On March 31 2021 08:01 Nevuk wrote:
On March 31 2021 07:56 farvacola wrote:
On March 31 2021 07:55 Nevuk wrote:
Just dropped that the FBI is investigating Matt Gaetz for a relationship with a 17 year old girl when he was 30. Fbi is involved since they think he paid her to visit him. I have a lot of questions still. Also, I think this is the first normal political scandal of the Biden administration from a congressman (and there have only been 1 or two from his staffers).

Per NYT


The reporting on his considering leaving Congress for Newsmax makes more sense now, dude should get absolutely fucked for being the trash bag he is.


It's gonna be yet another indictment of just how deeply of puritan roots we have in our country if he goes down for this and not his multiple duis.


Yeah and it is ilustrated by posts below Yours. Really as not US citizen i am more troubled by the fact that he paid her for sex than the sex itself. I mean 17 year old having sex with 30 year old is not really common but it is not as problematic to me as paying minor to have sex.

How do you define a minor? In Canada it someone under the age of 18. For clarity I'm not saying the age of consent, just when someone is a minor which means no drinking, pot, military, or voting.


Yeah, thats what i meant. She is 17, so she can consent to sex and the age of the partner doesnt really matter that much (as long as he is also above the age of consent). But she is also a minor and i found very troubling that someone had paid her for sex. I would also found very troubling if 50 year old father paid her to to have sex with his 19 year old son.

To clarify: i think that if society thinks she is mature enough to chose her sexual partner then she is mature enough to choose another 17 year old or 40 year old is she so chooses. Its up to her.
Pathetic Greta hater.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15742 Posts
March 31 2021 15:57 GMT
#62594
This whole Gaetz thing is wild. It really makes the whole adopted kid thing fail the smell test. Something weird going on with that dude.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
March 31 2021 16:14 GMT
#62595
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
March 31 2021 17:03 GMT
#62596
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ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9037 Posts
March 31 2021 17:25 GMT
#62597
Some more news on Biden admin fixing the stupid that trump put in place. This time the EPA. There's going to be a lot more "fixing" that shouldn't even be a freaking thing, but here we are.
The Environmental Protection Agency is dropping dozens of external science advisors appointed under former president Donald Trump. Administrator Michael Regan says the decision to reset two major advisory panels will reduce industry influence on environmental rules and bolster the importance of science within the EPA.

Regan is clearing out more than 40 outside researchers from the Science Advisory Board (SAB) and Clean Air Scientific Advisory Committee (CASAC). The EPA is opening up applications for both panels and the advisors who Regan swept out are able to reapply.

“Scientific integrity is one of EPA’s foundational values — and as administrator, I am committed to ensuring that every decision we make meets rigorous scientific standards,” Regan said in a statement. “Resetting these two scientific advisory committees will ensure the agency receives the best possible scientific insight to support our work to protect human health and the environment.”

Until last year, the Trump administration blocked academics who received EPA grants from joining the committees, claiming that they wouldn't be able to provide impartial advice. The administration tended to appoint industry advisors over academic scientists.

Under Trump, the panels often went against scientific consensus to make recommendations that were industry-friendly. For instance, the EPA followed advice from Trump's CASAC appointees to maintain ozone standards that were already in place, even though other scientists said they should be restricted for public health reasons.

In 2019, the agency rolled back regulations on methane emissions, a key contributor to climate change. Trump's EPA was also in a tussle with California and other states over vehicle emissions standards.

Source
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
March 31 2021 18:37 GMT
#62598
Well, I didn't realize this little bit about the Floyd murder. There was a firefighter on the scene and the cops kept her from administering first aid to Floyd. (She testified today). Like, I don't think there's any possible way to excuse that?
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9037 Posts
March 31 2021 19:05 GMT
#62599
On April 01 2021 03:37 Nevuk wrote:
Well, I didn't realize this little bit about the Floyd murder. There was a firefighter on the scene and the cops kept her from administering first aid to Floyd. (She testified today). Like, I don't think there's any possible way to excuse that?

I read it last night that they had already called medics to the scene and that she was being distracting to the cops on the seen. Doesn't excuse a damn thing though, especially still being on his neck while he was obviously unconscious. Her testimony was harrowing though. The defense attorney and the judge are pieces of shit though.
mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
March 31 2021 20:20 GMT
#62600
Did any of you actually watch the full video? I definitely believe that cops shouldn't be able to kill people when they want. But Floyd claimed to be unable to breathe for about 10 minutes before any police brutality occurred. Can someone provide a video where a white person does something similar, and is treated any better? The tactics police use are a very real problem, it just seems disingenuous to attribute all of it to race.
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