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On September 10 2020 03:24 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2020 03:09 Starlightsun wrote:
His supporters are just going to accept the clause "...because I don't want to create a panic." as being good sense. They shouldn't since we all know what happened because of it. Not to mention he has continued to lie even now. Will be interesting to see his response to this. This is by far the biggest blow to him, because you can hear him admit lying and we have months of him doing it.
And you seriously believe you are not gonna hear:
"Of course Trump knew all the time how dangerous it is. Only the stupid libs would ever believe he wouldn't have figured this out. And keeping calm and not overreacting was the only right thing! That's what any reasonable leader should do! Remember the economy! And the suicides. He did the only right thing! Such a brilliant leader."
Sorry, but this won't even scratch him. It will be considered the most brilliant 4D chess move, and the stupid libs fell for it.
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I think Woodward should have released this in March, or at the latest, April. Sitting on it until september seems crazy to me. Sure, it's better for his book sales and Biden's election chances, but it seems crazy irresponsible to not put this out after we passed 10k deaths.
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On September 10 2020 04:05 Nevuk wrote:
I think Woodward should have released this in March, or at the latest, April. Sitting on it until september seems crazy to me. Sure, it's better for his book sales and Biden's election chances, but it seems crazy irresponsible to not put this out after we passed 10k deaths. Nothing would have changed.
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On September 10 2020 04:05 Nevuk wrote:
I think Woodward should have released this in March, or at the latest, April. Sitting on it until september seems crazy to me. Sure, it's better for his book sales and Biden's election chances, but it seems crazy irresponsible to not put this out after we passed 10k deaths.
But that’s politics and book sales, folks.
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Honestly, I don't even know what it would've done to release this earlier. Trump, his supporters, and his enablers in Congress, literally don't give the first shit about anything that he's done to respond to the pandemic. They patted themselves on the back for nothing and took another vacation. They probably knew he was doing things this way intentionally anyway.
And we've soared past 150,000 at this point. That's a huge number of families who don't want to hear shit about how it's up to the states to handle it. How do things work when one or two states get hit by a hurricane? Should we not do something similar? Kind of moot at this point. Lives are lost.
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On September 10 2020 03:24 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2020 03:09 Starlightsun wrote:
His supporters are just going to accept the clause "...because I don't want to create a panic." as being good sense. They shouldn't since we all know what happened because of it. Not to mention he has continued to lie even now. Will be interesting to see his response to this. This is by far the biggest blow to him, because you can hear him admit lying and we have months of him doing it.
Going by how little difference the "grab them by the pussy" comment made, I very much doubt this is going to make a difference now either. Trump supporters are not going to care, and if losing 200k lives to a mostly avoidable crisis hasn't already convinced the undecideds, this won't either.
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What a world. A man who has 25 pending sexual assault cases against him, who had more americans die in 4 months than any other period of history, who lies through his teeth and encourage right wing terrorism, who cozy up dictators around the world, is in a close race for President. Good lord.
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On September 10 2020 04:20 Erasme wrote:
What a world. A man who has 25 pending sexual assault cases against him, who had more americans die in 4 months than any other period of history, who lies through his teeth and encourage right wing terrorism, who cozy up dictators around the world, is in a close race for President. Good lord.
Welcome to America. The president thoroughly botching an opportunity to actually exercise any leadership at all and costing over 200,000 American lives while shrugging and telling us all it's a hoax is just "politics".
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On September 10 2020 04:18 EnDeR_ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2020 03:24 JimmiC wrote:On September 10 2020 03:09 Starlightsun wrote:
His supporters are just going to accept the clause "...because I don't want to create a panic." as being good sense. They shouldn't since we all know what happened because of it. Not to mention he has continued to lie even now. Will be interesting to see his response to this. This is by far the biggest blow to him, because you can hear him admit lying and we have months of him doing it. Going by how little difference the "grab them by the pussy" comment made, I very much doubt this is going to make a difference now either. Trump supporters are not going to care, and if losing 200k lives to a mostly avoidable crisis hasn't already convinced the undecideds, this won't either.
Pretty much. It's so bad that it either would still matter 9 months later or wouldn't really matter at all.
It definitely would have saved lives, especially the airborne comments - it was being disputed publicly at the time by Trump's allies (many of whom probably actually didn't know better).
Also might have kept people from going to Trump's rallies at the time (and sporting events and other similar things).
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He's set to give a news conference later today, ostensibly on the SC thing. We'll see if he comments on the tapes. Biden was attacking him in a speech earlier as well.
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On September 10 2020 04:05 Nevuk wrote:
I think Woodward should have released this in March, or at the latest, April. Sitting on it until september seems crazy to me. Sure, it's better for his book sales and Biden's election chances, but it seems crazy irresponsible to not put this out after we passed 10k deaths.
Do you think anything will actualy change now that this is out there?
I'm convinced trump is going to win somehow and I don't know what to think anymore.
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Like whats so mindblowing to me is that he gave Woodward access to all of this and okayed him being recorded time after time saying these things. If you were ever wondering if he was stupid but evil or just stupid here is all the evidence you need.
I mean for fucks sake "Mattis slept in his clothes ready to be ready in case there was a north Korean launch and repeatedly went to the Washington national cathedral to pray" right next to this guy having copies of all the love letters to the last real king in the world.
Sen. Mitt Romney on Trump's "play it down" comments: "It doesn’t sound ideal to me"
A source close to the Trump campaign says many are shocked by the President's comments so early about how deadly the coronavirus is, noting that the President kept that information from his own campaign.
"His sole purpose is to get reelected," Fauci told an associate, according to Woodward.
The more and more this comes out the more I think he's going to still be president.
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On September 10 2020 05:04 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2020 04:05 Nevuk wrote:
I think Woodward should have released this in March, or at the latest, April. Sitting on it until september seems crazy to me. Sure, it's better for his book sales and Biden's election chances, but it seems crazy irresponsible to not put this out after we passed 10k deaths. Do you think anything will actualy change now that this is out there? I'm convinced trump is going to win somehow and I don't know what to think anymore.
Not really. It would've mattered back in march, since it's an exponential growth. Politically it won't hurt him with his base, but that he kept the info from his campaign may have a pile on effect.
Trump has a chance but I think it's lower than 10%. Biden has to make a ton of errors on top of nothing else bad coming out for Trump. Bad stuff is going to keep dropping for Trump, it's just how he's always worked and everyone that was holding back out of caution will be unloading in October.
I'm more concerned about the inevitable violence, or the chance that Trump wins big on election day and then tries to ignore all mail-in votes and has to be forced out of office.
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On September 10 2020 05:03 JimmiC wrote:The hits keep coming. Another whistle-blower complaint that Trump and team withheld information and lied to the American people. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/schiff-whistleblower-complaint-russian-intel-reportsShow nested quote +“The whistleblower retaliation complaint filed by former Acting Under Secretary for Intelligence and Analysis Brian Murphy outlines grave and disturbing allegations that senior White House and Department of Homeland Security officials improperly sought to politicize, manipulate, and censor intelligence in order to benefit President Trump politically,” Schiff said in a statement. “This puts our nation and its security at grave risk.” Show nested quote +Schiff went on to call Murphy’s allegations “serious,” saying they include senior administration officials allegedly “suppressing intelligence reports on Russia’s election interference and making false statements to Congress about terrorism threats at our southern border, to modifying intelligence assessments to match the president’s rhetoric on Antifa and minimizing the threat posed by white supremacists.” Show nested quote +“We’ve received a whistleblower complaint alleging DHS suppressed intel reports on Russian election interference, altered intel to match false Trump claims and made false statements to Congress,” Schiff, D-Calif., tweeted Wednesday afternoon. “This puts our national security at risk.”
To put in relation with this excerpt :
-- Woodward reports new details on Russia's election meddling, writing that the NSA and CIA have classified evidence the Russians had placed malware in the election registration systems of at least two Florida counties, St. Lucie and Washington. While there was no evidence the malware had been activated, Woodward writes, it was sophisticated and could erase voters in specific districts. The voting system vendor used by Florida was also used in states across the country.
So his answer on downplaying the threat and misleading the public is "in order to reduce panic, perhaps that's so".
So losing dozens of thousands of lives in order to "reduce panic". An interesting choice. And he admits it.
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On September 10 2020 05:13 Nevuk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2020 05:04 Sermokala wrote:On September 10 2020 04:05 Nevuk wrote:
I think Woodward should have released this in March, or at the latest, April. Sitting on it until september seems crazy to me. Sure, it's better for his book sales and Biden's election chances, but it seems crazy irresponsible to not put this out after we passed 10k deaths. Do you think anything will actualy change now that this is out there? I'm convinced trump is going to win somehow and I don't know what to think anymore. Not really. It would've mattered back in march, since it's an exponential growth. Politically it won't hurt him with his base, but that he kept the info from his campaign may have a pile on effect. Trump has a chance but I think it's lower than 10%. Biden has to make a ton of errors on top of nothing else bad coming out for Trump. Bad stuff is going to keep dropping for Trump, it's just how he's always worked and everyone that was holding back out of caution will be unloading in October. I'm more concerned about the inevitable violence, or the chance that Trump wins big on election day and then tries to ignore all mail-in votes and has to be forced out of office.
Trump has never given anyone reason to expect he'll actually surrender his office peaceably if he loses. Expect anything from rampant declarations of Democratic hoaxes and conspiracies with no evidence, to potential violence solicited from his gun-toting supporters that want to see if Trump can get 3 terms or more.
Basically, he's already been laying the groundwork for all the excuses and calls to violence he's going to make when he loses, because he's already been doing it.
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