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On June 06 2020 04:23 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2020 04:17 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I am operating under the assumption that the person he is talking to is a member of proud boys. If that was made up, then I guess I have egg on my face. Oh and is that helpful for you? Assuming what group people are in, and then deciding what those people are like based on the group? Hmm. I think there is some other sort of pervasive ideology that uses this premise we are all very aware of right now. Can anyone guess what that is? But let's get past that. It doesn't matter if he is a nazi or a gangster or a walking turd or whatever else, what does that have to do with anything? It's simple eri: you are willing to damn a person with a lack of evidence. You have no idea about this person's intentions, nor their actions. You don't know what he has done, and you don't know who he has talked to, and you don't know what he has said to them. And even worse, you show a complete lack of interest in learning about those things. It's commonplace, and it's shameful. I am not perfect but I will continue to point it out when I see it. And I'll point it out when it's the reverse, too, because the "sides" have nothing to do with it.
May I ask your understanding of the Proud Boys and how they relate to the Portland/Vancouver metro area? It really seems like you have no idea what is going on.
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Lol so what, you think they were "trapping" the protestors? They are like pssst, hey proud boys, go hide in there, we gonna get them mothafuckas.
Then they jump out from around the corner with no warning and start gassing the shit out of everyone.
Is that what happened?
Or is it more likely they told everyone they need to get off the street during curfew, and they told these proud boys people to get off as well, and those people MADE THE CHOICE to get the fuck off the road?
Now I am not even saying this is what happened! I am saying this sure as shit seems way more likely than assuming a bunch of horrible stuff without evidence lol
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What I'm saying is the police are peacefully asking the provocateurs to stay safe, while the peaceful protesters are getting gassed.
Like who the fuck brings guns to a peaceful protest? Fascist do.
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On June 06 2020 04:26 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2020 04:23 travis wrote:On June 06 2020 04:17 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I am operating under the assumption that the person he is talking to is a member of proud boys. If that was made up, then I guess I have egg on my face. Oh and is that helpful for you? Assuming what group people are in, and then deciding what those people are like based on the group? Hmm. I think there is some other sort of pervasive ideology that uses this premise we are all very aware of right now. Can anyone guess what that is? But let's get past that. It doesn't matter if he is a nazi or a gangster or a walking turd or whatever else, what does that have to do with anything? It's simple eri: you are willing to damn a person with a lack of evidence. You have no idea about this person's intentions, nor their actions. You don't know what he has done, and you don't know who he has talked to, and you don't know what he has said to them. And even worse, you show a complete lack of interest in learning about those things. It's commonplace, and it's shameful. I am not perfect but I will continue to point it out when I see it. And I'll point it out when it's the reverse, too, because the "sides" have nothing to do with it. May I ask your understanding of the Proud Boys and how they relate to the Portland/Vancouver metro area? It really seems like you have no idea what is going on.
I have some level of idea of them, and I definitely know it is not relevant to whether or not that 20 second clip showed someone behaving poorly.
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On June 06 2020 04:31 ShoCkeyy wrote:
What I'm saying is the police are peacefully asking the provocateurs to stay safe, while the peaceful protesters are getting gassed.
They asked them to obey the curfew because they can't play favorites. I imagine if they stayed out there with the protestors then they probably would have experienced some gas, yes? Does that make sense?
Like who the fuck brings guns to a peaceful protest? Fascist do.
This shows how incredibly out of touch you are with about 50% of the people living in this country and what they believe and where their concerns lie. But I guess to you, half the country is fascist.
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On June 06 2020 04:31 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2020 04:26 Mohdoo wrote:On June 06 2020 04:23 travis wrote:On June 06 2020 04:17 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I am operating under the assumption that the person he is talking to is a member of proud boys. If that was made up, then I guess I have egg on my face. Oh and is that helpful for you? Assuming what group people are in, and then deciding what those people are like based on the group? Hmm. I think there is some other sort of pervasive ideology that uses this premise we are all very aware of right now. Can anyone guess what that is? But let's get past that. It doesn't matter if he is a nazi or a gangster or a walking turd or whatever else, what does that have to do with anything? It's simple eri: you are willing to damn a person with a lack of evidence. You have no idea about this person's intentions, nor their actions. You don't know what he has done, and you don't know who he has talked to, and you don't know what he has said to them. And even worse, you show a complete lack of interest in learning about those things. It's commonplace, and it's shameful. I am not perfect but I will continue to point it out when I see it. And I'll point it out when it's the reverse, too, because the "sides" have nothing to do with it. May I ask your understanding of the Proud Boys and how they relate to the Portland/Vancouver metro area? It really seems like you have no idea what is going on. I have some level of idea of them, and I definitely know it is not relevant to whether or not that 20 second clip showed someone behaving poorly.
Knowing things about a group and how its members identify in public is irrelevant to figuring out if a member of that group is in a video?
Also source that 50% of the country wears weaponry to protests number please.
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On June 06 2020 04:33 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2020 04:31 ShoCkeyy wrote:
What I'm saying is the police are peacefully asking the provocateurs to stay safe, while the peaceful protesters are getting gassed.
They asked them to obey the curfew because they can't play favorites. I imagine if they stayed out there with the protestors then they probably would have experienced some gas, yes? Does that make sense? This shows how incredibly out of touch you are with about 50% of the people living in this country and what they believe and where their concerns lie. But I guess to you, half the country is fascist.
Nonsense. There is no way 50% of your country goes to peaceful protests carrying a gun.
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On June 06 2020 04:34 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2020 04:31 travis wrote:On June 06 2020 04:26 Mohdoo wrote:On June 06 2020 04:23 travis wrote:On June 06 2020 04:17 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I am operating under the assumption that the person he is talking to is a member of proud boys. If that was made up, then I guess I have egg on my face. Oh and is that helpful for you? Assuming what group people are in, and then deciding what those people are like based on the group? Hmm. I think there is some other sort of pervasive ideology that uses this premise we are all very aware of right now. Can anyone guess what that is? But let's get past that. It doesn't matter if he is a nazi or a gangster or a walking turd or whatever else, what does that have to do with anything? It's simple eri: you are willing to damn a person with a lack of evidence. You have no idea about this person's intentions, nor their actions. You don't know what he has done, and you don't know who he has talked to, and you don't know what he has said to them. And even worse, you show a complete lack of interest in learning about those things. It's commonplace, and it's shameful. I am not perfect but I will continue to point it out when I see it. And I'll point it out when it's the reverse, too, because the "sides" have nothing to do with it. May I ask your understanding of the Proud Boys and how they relate to the Portland/Vancouver metro area? It really seems like you have no idea what is going on. I have some level of idea of them, and I definitely know it is not relevant to whether or not that 20 second clip showed someone behaving poorly. Knowing things about a group and how it’s members identify in public is irrelevant to figuring out if a member of that group is in a video?
I don't care what groups that person is in. What does that have to do with anything?
You are literally willing to judge someone based on the fact that they talked to someone who is in a group that you don't like?
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On June 06 2020 04:35 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2020 04:33 travis wrote:On June 06 2020 04:31 ShoCkeyy wrote:
What I'm saying is the police are peacefully asking the provocateurs to stay safe, while the peaceful protesters are getting gassed.
They asked them to obey the curfew because they can't play favorites. I imagine if they stayed out there with the protestors then they probably would have experienced some gas, yes? Does that make sense?
Like who the fuck brings guns to a peaceful protest? Fascist do.
This shows how incredibly out of touch you are with about 50% of the people living in this country and what they believe and where their concerns lie. But I guess to you, half the country is fascist. Nonsense. There is no way 50% of your country goes to peaceful protests carrying a gun.
That isn't what I said, is it?
Here let me tell you a story. I grew up in a rural area. There's a small town there, Grants Pass, Oregon.
A few days ago there was a rumor there going around that some protestors were being bussed in. Well the people there were concerned that those people would riot and cause destruction.
Hundreds of people showed up in the town with their guns, lol.
I have no doubt that the town had a super high level of support for it.
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On June 06 2020 04:35 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2020 04:34 farvacola wrote:On June 06 2020 04:31 travis wrote:On June 06 2020 04:26 Mohdoo wrote:On June 06 2020 04:23 travis wrote:On June 06 2020 04:17 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I am operating under the assumption that the person he is talking to is a member of proud boys. If that was made up, then I guess I have egg on my face. Oh and is that helpful for you? Assuming what group people are in, and then deciding what those people are like based on the group? Hmm. I think there is some other sort of pervasive ideology that uses this premise we are all very aware of right now. Can anyone guess what that is? But let's get past that. It doesn't matter if he is a nazi or a gangster or a walking turd or whatever else, what does that have to do with anything? It's simple eri: you are willing to damn a person with a lack of evidence. You have no idea about this person's intentions, nor their actions. You don't know what he has done, and you don't know who he has talked to, and you don't know what he has said to them. And even worse, you show a complete lack of interest in learning about those things. It's commonplace, and it's shameful. I am not perfect but I will continue to point it out when I see it. And I'll point it out when it's the reverse, too, because the "sides" have nothing to do with it. May I ask your understanding of the Proud Boys and how they relate to the Portland/Vancouver metro area? It really seems like you have no idea what is going on. I have some level of idea of them, and I definitely know it is not relevant to whether or not that 20 second clip showed someone behaving poorly. Knowing things about a group and how it’s members identify in public is irrelevant to figuring out if a member of that group is in a video? I don't care what groups that person is in. What does that have to do with anything? You are literally willing to judge someone based on the fact that they talked to someone who is in a group that you don't like?
Lol, I’m not judging, you said it’s irrelevant when that’s total nonsense, mr. the world is run by criminals
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On June 06 2020 04:35 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2020 04:35 Acrofales wrote:On June 06 2020 04:33 travis wrote:On June 06 2020 04:31 ShoCkeyy wrote:
What I'm saying is the police are peacefully asking the provocateurs to stay safe, while the peaceful protesters are getting gassed.
They asked them to obey the curfew because they can't play favorites. I imagine if they stayed out there with the protestors then they probably would have experienced some gas, yes? Does that make sense?
Like who the fuck brings guns to a peaceful protest? Fascist do.
This shows how incredibly out of touch you are with about 50% of the people living in this country and what they believe and where their concerns lie. But I guess to you, half the country is fascist. Nonsense. There is no way 50% of your country goes to peaceful protests carrying a gun. That isn't what I said, is it?
Shockey said "people who carry guns to peaceful protests are fascists"
You answered "well, then 50% of the people in the country are fascists".
So yes, it is what you said.
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On June 06 2020 04:33 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2020 04:31 ShoCkeyy wrote:
What I'm saying is the police are peacefully asking the provocateurs to stay safe, while the peaceful protesters are getting gassed.
They asked them to obey the curfew because they can't play favorites. This shows how incredibly out of touch you are with about 50% of the people living in this country and what they believe and where their concerns lie. But I guess to you, half the country is fascist.
It's about 25% of the voting age population, but yeah, that's kind of a theme of my posting. Or at least that they are rapidly heading that way. Have the nazi comparisons really been too subtle?
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On June 06 2020 04:36 farvacola wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2020 04:35 travis wrote:On June 06 2020 04:34 farvacola wrote:On June 06 2020 04:31 travis wrote:On June 06 2020 04:26 Mohdoo wrote:On June 06 2020 04:23 travis wrote:On June 06 2020 04:17 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I am operating under the assumption that the person he is talking to is a member of proud boys. If that was made up, then I guess I have egg on my face. Oh and is that helpful for you? Assuming what group people are in, and then deciding what those people are like based on the group? Hmm. I think there is some other sort of pervasive ideology that uses this premise we are all very aware of right now. Can anyone guess what that is? But let's get past that. It doesn't matter if he is a nazi or a gangster or a walking turd or whatever else, what does that have to do with anything? It's simple eri: you are willing to damn a person with a lack of evidence. You have no idea about this person's intentions, nor their actions. You don't know what he has done, and you don't know who he has talked to, and you don't know what he has said to them. And even worse, you show a complete lack of interest in learning about those things. It's commonplace, and it's shameful. I am not perfect but I will continue to point it out when I see it. And I'll point it out when it's the reverse, too, because the "sides" have nothing to do with it. May I ask your understanding of the Proud Boys and how they relate to the Portland/Vancouver metro area? It really seems like you have no idea what is going on. I have some level of idea of them, and I definitely know it is not relevant to whether or not that 20 second clip showed someone behaving poorly. Knowing things about a group and how it’s members identify in public is irrelevant to figuring out if a member of that group is in a video? I don't care what groups that person is in. What does that have to do with anything? You are literally willing to judge someone based on the fact that they talked to someone who is in a group that you don't like? Lol, I’m not judging, you said it’s irrelevant when that’s total nonsense, mr. the world is run by criminals
I wasn't talking about me, I was talking about the people in the video.
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On June 06 2020 04:38 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2020 04:35 travis wrote:On June 06 2020 04:35 Acrofales wrote:On June 06 2020 04:33 travis wrote:On June 06 2020 04:31 ShoCkeyy wrote:
What I'm saying is the police are peacefully asking the provocateurs to stay safe, while the peaceful protesters are getting gassed.
They asked them to obey the curfew because they can't play favorites. I imagine if they stayed out there with the protestors then they probably would have experienced some gas, yes? Does that make sense?
Like who the fuck brings guns to a peaceful protest? Fascist do.
This shows how incredibly out of touch you are with about 50% of the people living in this country and what they believe and where their concerns lie. But I guess to you, half the country is fascist. Nonsense. There is no way 50% of your country goes to peaceful protests carrying a gun. That isn't what I said, is it? Shockey said "people who carry guns to peaceful protests are fascists" You answered "well, then 50% of the people in the country are fascists". So yes, it is what you said.
Are you actually using good faith to try to understand the meaning of the things I say? Like, you know I am not an idiot already, so I can't possibly believe that you think that I think 50% of people in America go to peaceful protests carrying a gun.
But, in the off chance that you do somehow think that
- what I meant is that about half the country supports the right of people to openly bear arms, form militias, secure their towns and businesses, etc.
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Anyway, back to disbanding the police. I don't really think it will help. As long as there is a war on drugs, there have to be footsoldiers in that war... and that is the police force! So if you replace that with a new force, they still have to go out and arrest gangbangers on streetcorners. Until you change that culture, that is going to turn whatever law enforcement agency you replace the police with into just as problematic a force. Without that underlying problem, a redesign of the police into separate entities, where someone handing out speeding tickets doesn't carry a gun. Although gun culture might make that bit impossible too.
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On June 06 2020 04:42 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2020 04:38 Acrofales wrote:On June 06 2020 04:35 travis wrote:On June 06 2020 04:35 Acrofales wrote:On June 06 2020 04:33 travis wrote:On June 06 2020 04:31 ShoCkeyy wrote:
What I'm saying is the police are peacefully asking the provocateurs to stay safe, while the peaceful protesters are getting gassed.
They asked them to obey the curfew because they can't play favorites. I imagine if they stayed out there with the protestors then they probably would have experienced some gas, yes? Does that make sense?
Like who the fuck brings guns to a peaceful protest? Fascist do.
This shows how incredibly out of touch you are with about 50% of the people living in this country and what they believe and where their concerns lie. But I guess to you, half the country is fascist. Nonsense. There is no way 50% of your country goes to peaceful protests carrying a gun. That isn't what I said, is it? Shockey said "people who carry guns to peaceful protests are fascists" You answered "well, then 50% of the people in the country are fascists". So yes, it is what you said. Are you actually using good faith to try to understand the meaning of the things I say? Like, you know I am not an idiot already, so I can't possibly believe that you think that I think 50% of people in America go to peaceful protests carrying a gun. But, in the off chance that you do somehow think that - what I meant is that about half the country supports the right of people to openly bear arms, form militias, secure their towns and businesses, etc.
Yeah, but shockey wasn't claiming they didn't. He was only claiming that the *right* to bear arms should probably not be exercised when going to a peaceful protest. So what does "supporting the right to bear arms" have to do with anything here? With rights come responsibilities, and one of those is to know when exercising your right is going to be extremely counterproductive. Unless, of course, you don't actually want to protest *peacefully*, but rather... want to start a race war. Which the proud boys "proudly" want to do.
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On June 06 2020 04:22 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2020 04:17 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I am operating under the assumption that the person he is talking to is a member of proud boys. If that was made up, then I guess I have egg on my face. Would you have determined they were members of proud boys if the unknown TikTok user hadn't put an arrow asserting that identification?
No, but it was very easily corroborated by people from the area. They're apparently out in force to protect a hair salon there run by Lindsey Graham (but not THAT Lindsey Graham).
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Talking about disbanding, the entire unit of the Buffalo response unit from the shoving-old-man-to-the-pavement incident have resigned (from the response unit, not the job). Not because because they have reconsidered their actions but in solidarity with the suspended officers. Epic quote below.
Our position is these officers were simply following orders from Deputy Police Commissioner Joseph Gramaglia to clear the square," said Buffalo Police Benevolent Association President John Evans. "It doesn't specify clear the square of men, 50 and under or 15 to 40. They were simply doing their job. I don't know how much contact was made. He did slip in my estimation. He fell backwards
https://buffalonews.com/2020/06/05/57-members-of-buffalo-police-riot-response-team-resign/
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On June 06 2020 04:23 travis wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2020 04:17 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I am operating under the assumption that the person he is talking to is a member of proud boys. If that was made up, then I guess I have egg on my face. Oh and is that helpful for you? Assuming what group people are in, and then deciding what those people are like based on the group? Hmm. I think there is some other sort of pervasive ideology that uses this premise we are all very aware of right now. Can anyone guess what that is?
Travis come on. If someone is a nazi, it by default means they harbor some really fucked up and dangerous thoughts. Someone who is black, or whatever other group people might be grouped into, cannot be generalized in a similar manner. Someone self-identifying as a nazi does mean you can generalize them in a negative manner, because being a nazi is a highly negative thing..
You can group someone based on their self-professed ideology or by their nationality or ethnicity or gender or sexual preference. But only their self-professed ideology actually describes their pattern of thinking. And actual nazis have a thoroughly dangerous pattern of thinking.
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On June 06 2020 05:00 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Talking about disbanding, the entire unit of the Buffalo response unit from the shoving-old-man-to-the-pavement incident have resigned (from the response unit, not the job). Not because because they have reconsidered their actions but in solidarity with the suspended officers. Epic quote below. Show nested quote +Our position is these officers were simply following orders from Deputy Police Commissioner Joseph Gramaglia to clear the square," said Buffalo Police Benevolent Association President John Evans. "It doesn't specify clear the square of men, 50 and under or 15 to 40. They were simply doing their job. I don't know how much contact was made. He did slip in my estimation. He fell backwards https://buffalonews.com/2020/06/05/57-members-of-buffalo-police-riot-response-team-resign/
People are saying police are tone deaf. They aren't. They are holding tighter to their unjust grip on power. They are scoundrels. It is sickening to see.
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