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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18855 Posts
March 10 2020 17:40 GMT
#43401
It would be a tough call for me were I not a federal employee whose work is closely related to agency management and the courts. But I fully recognize my choice deals primarily in personal reasons.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15742 Posts
March 10 2020 18:02 GMT
#43402
On March 11 2020 02:37 Nebuchad wrote:
Assuming things continue this way, I'm very glad I'm not american. I would have a very tough decision between not voting and voting for Biden.

Growing up, there were times when even $100 less food stamps would have meant going hungry. There are many people on my childhood situation. Biden won't cut food stamps. He's deeply flawed, but I wouldn't have liked going to bed hungry if I knew it was because Biden wasn't progressive enough.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12402 Posts
March 10 2020 18:07 GMT
#43403
I would have easily voted for Clinton in 2016 and I did vote for Macron in the french election. It's not because he's not progressive enough. I genuinely don't know which of the two outcomes is worse for the left, it's a grim future.
No will to live, no wish to die
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
March 10 2020 18:11 GMT
#43404
On March 11 2020 02:40 farvacola wrote:
It would be a tough call for me were I not a federal employee whose work is closely related to agency management and the courts. But I fully recognize my choice deals primarily in personal reasons.

I’m definitely glad I didn’t take the civil servant route back in early 2016. For all the “candidates are the same” talk we might have, it’s definitely a uniquely Trump phenomenon that the entire system of government employment has become an unprecedented circus.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15742 Posts
March 10 2020 18:13 GMT
#43405
On March 11 2020 03:07 Nebuchad wrote:
I would have easily voted for Clinton in 2016 and I did vote for Macron in the french election. It's not because he's not progressive enough. I genuinely don't know which of the two outcomes is worse for the left, it's a grim future.

Agree, so I just focus on the childhood I had and focus on what will help them short term. I fought through it, but it was hard. I want more kids to have the same shot I got.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12402 Posts
March 10 2020 18:19 GMT
#43406
I won't be trying to change your mind. Either way unless corona gets way worse I expect Trump won't have a lot of trouble defeating Biden at this stage, so that might not come into question very much.
No will to live, no wish to die
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15742 Posts
March 10 2020 18:21 GMT
#43407
On March 11 2020 03:19 Nebuchad wrote:
I won't be trying to change your mind. Either way unless corona gets way worse I expect Trump won't have a lot of trouble defeating Biden at this stage, so that might not come into question very much.

Remember 2019? Years are apparently insane nowadays. I'm done predicting what will happen even a couple months in the future
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18855 Posts
March 10 2020 18:41 GMT
#43408
On March 11 2020 03:19 Nebuchad wrote:
I won't be trying to change your mind. Either way unless corona gets way worse I expect Trump won't have a lot of trouble defeating Biden at this stage, so that might not come into question very much.

At this moment, I think the odds of Biden/Sanders winning have never been better, and they will continue to improve. There is a distinct crisis of confidence in the markets and we haven’t even begun to experience the effects of coronavirus here.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15742 Posts
March 10 2020 18:51 GMT
#43409
Peering into the not so distant future, the US is consumed by beer-aids: Millions dead. Boomers have lost all voting power. Externalities of not having government-run healthcare are on display all over the place. Eventually, widespread outcry forces the trump administration to publicly fund and administer corona medical care.

And that, kids, is how republicans passed universal healthcare
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
March 10 2020 18:55 GMT
#43410
Right now it’s mostly a matter of whether or not the blame for the highly incompetent things Trump has done will actually stick to him. Potential parallels to Bush 2004 exist.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12402 Posts
March 10 2020 18:55 GMT
#43411
On March 11 2020 03:41 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2020 03:19 Nebuchad wrote:
I won't be trying to change your mind. Either way unless corona gets way worse I expect Trump won't have a lot of trouble defeating Biden at this stage, so that might not come into question very much.

At this moment, I think the odds of Biden/Sanders winning have never been better, and they will continue to improve. There is a distinct crisis of confidence in the markets and we haven’t even begun to experience the effects of coronavirus here.


It's difficult to track how much negative corona influence is enough or not. Maybe you're right that this is already enough, but I don't really think so. Negative signs from Michigan and Wisconsin, and not enough positive from Florida.
No will to live, no wish to die
IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
March 10 2020 19:11 GMT
#43412
On March 11 2020 03:55 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2020 03:41 farvacola wrote:
On March 11 2020 03:19 Nebuchad wrote:
I won't be trying to change your mind. Either way unless corona gets way worse I expect Trump won't have a lot of trouble defeating Biden at this stage, so that might not come into question very much.

At this moment, I think the odds of Biden/Sanders winning have never been better, and they will continue to improve. There is a distinct crisis of confidence in the markets and we haven’t even begun to experience the effects of coronavirus here.


It's difficult to track how much negative corona influence is enough or not. Maybe you're right that this is already enough, but I don't really think so. Negative signs from Michigan and Wisconsin, and not enough positive from Florida.


The latest michigan and wisconsin polls have both biden and sanders leading trump? I am confused what your negative signs are?
Something witty
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12402 Posts
March 10 2020 19:17 GMT
#43413
On March 11 2020 04:11 IyMoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2020 03:55 Nebuchad wrote:
On March 11 2020 03:41 farvacola wrote:
On March 11 2020 03:19 Nebuchad wrote:
I won't be trying to change your mind. Either way unless corona gets way worse I expect Trump won't have a lot of trouble defeating Biden at this stage, so that might not come into question very much.

At this moment, I think the odds of Biden/Sanders winning have never been better, and they will continue to improve. There is a distinct crisis of confidence in the markets and we haven’t even begun to experience the effects of coronavirus here.


It's difficult to track how much negative corona influence is enough or not. Maybe you're right that this is already enough, but I don't really think so. Negative signs from Michigan and Wisconsin, and not enough positive from Florida.


The latest michigan and wisconsin polls have both biden and sanders leading trump? I am confused what your negative signs are?


I was wrong then, good (or not, I don't know).
No will to live, no wish to die
pmh
Profile Joined March 2016
1414 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-03-10 20:01:29
March 10 2020 19:51 GMT
#43414
On March 11 2020 04:11 IyMoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2020 03:55 Nebuchad wrote:
On March 11 2020 03:41 farvacola wrote:
On March 11 2020 03:19 Nebuchad wrote:
I won't be trying to change your mind. Either way unless corona gets way worse I expect Trump won't have a lot of trouble defeating Biden at this stage, so that might not come into question very much.

At this moment, I think the odds of Biden/Sanders winning have never been better, and they will continue to improve. There is a distinct crisis of confidence in the markets and we haven’t even begun to experience the effects of coronavirus here.


It's difficult to track how much negative corona influence is enough or not. Maybe you're right that this is already enough, but I don't really think so. Negative signs from Michigan and Wisconsin, and not enough positive from Florida.


The latest michigan and wisconsin polls have both biden and sanders leading trump? I am confused what your negative signs are?



Those are polls of how people see the candidates and the president. favouble and non favourable percentages. I saw them on cnn today.
It doesnt translate directly to how people plan to vote in the election.

Cnn was discussing a specific group of voters as well. A group of voters who does not like the president but who do like what he has done with the economy. This group could be rather large and they could probably vote either way,swing voters.

GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23671 Posts
March 10 2020 23:03 GMT
#43415
On March 11 2020 03:02 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2020 02:37 Nebuchad wrote:
Assuming things continue this way, I'm very glad I'm not american. I would have a very tough decision between not voting and voting for Biden.

Growing up, there were times when even $100 less food stamps would have meant going hungry. There are many people on my childhood situation. Biden won't cut food stamps. He's deeply flawed, but I wouldn't have liked going to bed hungry if I knew it was because Biden wasn't progressive enough.


People are free to vote for Biden or whomever they want, but they shouldn't argue they are doing it for poor people.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
March 10 2020 23:30 GMT
#43416
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23671 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-03-10 23:42:43
March 10 2020 23:42 GMT
#43417
The debate on Sunday won't have a live audience and the candidates will be seated, taking (I'm guessing recorded now) questions from the 'audience'.

The Democratic debate is still scheduled for this Sunday but will look a little different.

According to the Democratic National Committee, there will be no live audience for the debate on March 15.


www.azfamily.com
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22116 Posts
March 10 2020 23:50 GMT
#43418
On March 11 2020 08:42 GreenHorizons wrote:
The debate on Sunday won't have a live audience and the candidates will be seated, taking (I'm guessing recorded now) questions from the 'audience'.

Show nested quote +
The Democratic debate is still scheduled for this Sunday but will look a little different.

According to the Democratic National Committee, there will be no live audience for the debate on March 15.


www.azfamily.com
Reasonable considering Corona.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18224 Posts
March 10 2020 23:52 GMT
#43419
On March 11 2020 08:50 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2020 08:42 GreenHorizons wrote:
The debate on Sunday won't have a live audience and the candidates will be seated, taking (I'm guessing recorded now) questions from the 'audience'.

The Democratic debate is still scheduled for this Sunday but will look a little different.

According to the Democratic National Committee, there will be no live audience for the debate on March 15.


www.azfamily.com
Reasonable considering Corona.

No audience is. Why they have to sit down I don't know tho.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23671 Posts
March 10 2020 23:53 GMT
#43420
On March 11 2020 08:50 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2020 08:42 GreenHorizons wrote:
The debate on Sunday won't have a live audience and the candidates will be seated, taking (I'm guessing recorded now) questions from the 'audience'.

The Democratic debate is still scheduled for this Sunday but will look a little different.

According to the Democratic National Committee, there will be no live audience for the debate on March 15.


www.azfamily.com
Reasonable considering Corona.

Yeah both campaigns wanted it and have canceled rallies. The sit-down part was Biden's idea according to the Sanders campaign, Biden and the DNC say it was the DNC and CNN that decided it without Biden having a preference.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
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