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On March 06 2020 17:52 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2020 14:07 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 05 2020 22:50 GreenHorizons wrote:Alabama is scheduled to kill a man tonight for killing cops literally no one disputes were killed by someone else who has confessed and been convicted. Hours after a federal judge denied a stay request in the upcoming execution of Alabama prisoner Nathaniel Woods, the son of Martin Luther King Jr. released an open letter to Gov. Kay Ivey asking her to intervene in the case.
Woods is slated to be killed via lethal injection on Thursday for his capital murder convictions in the shooting deaths of three Birmingham police officers in June 2004.
By all accounts, Woods was not the shooter and did not have a gun at the time of the shooting. Woods was instead convicted of capital murder, despite personally killing no one www.montgomeryadvertiser.com They killed (murdered?) him after a last minute stay was denied by the US Supreme Court. Alabama has executed inmate Nathaniel Woods for the 2004 murders of three Birmingham police officers, the state corrections department said.
Woods, 42, did not give a final statement. He was pronounced dead at 9:01 p.m. local time, the department said in a statement Thursday.
Alabama Gov. Kay Ivey refused to stop the controversial execution, and the US Supreme Court denied a last-minute stay, after first ordering a temporary halt only minutes before Woods had been scheduled to die. www.cnn.comHe didn't have to die. Our society feels bottomless in its depravity sometimes. This imo is what happens when people prioritize process over justice. Innocent people are killed and no one is held accountable. You have a history of leaving out important details to suit your narrative. From your CNN article: Show nested quote +Woods had threatened Owen, who had arrested him as a teenager, that morning, he said. Upon learning Woods had a misdemeanor assault warrant, the four officers returned to the apartment and told Woods to come outside, Marshall wrote.
"If you come in here, we'll f**k you up," Marshall quoted Woods as saying.
Chisholm went to the back and showed the warrant to Woods, who ran into the apartment, and the officers gave chase. Woods surrendered and asked the officers not to Mace him, the letter said.
Collins went outside and heard gunfire. Spencer shot Chisholm as he tried to retreat, Marshall said, and when Woods tried to escape, he saw Collins and said, "There's someone else. We got another one right here," and Spencer opened fire on Collins, who took a bullet in the thigh as he took cover and called for backup, the prosecutor said.
When help arrived, Bennett was found outside the front door, shot in the head, and Chisholm and Owen were inside. They had been shot in the back, through their bulletproof vests, Marshall wrote. All three were dead.
Investigators found Spencer in a neighbor's attic, and Woods "was found sitting on a nearby porch, apparently 'very relaxed' and carrying two .22 caliber bullets in his pocket," his letter said.
"Although Woods was not the shooter, he was hardly an innocent bystander," Marshall wrote, explaining that Woods allegedly bragged about the shootings, threatened a sheriff's deputy and composed drawings and songs boasting of the killings. The guy was outside, ran into the house to pretend to surrender so that his friend could shoot the cops in the back. Then he bragged about the whole thing.
Even if this is true, why kill him? What does society gain from retribution?
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On March 06 2020 23:52 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2020 17:52 maybenexttime wrote:On March 06 2020 14:07 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 05 2020 22:50 GreenHorizons wrote:Alabama is scheduled to kill a man tonight for killing cops literally no one disputes were killed by someone else who has confessed and been convicted. Hours after a federal judge denied a stay request in the upcoming execution of Alabama prisoner Nathaniel Woods, the son of Martin Luther King Jr. released an open letter to Gov. Kay Ivey asking her to intervene in the case.
Woods is slated to be killed via lethal injection on Thursday for his capital murder convictions in the shooting deaths of three Birmingham police officers in June 2004.
By all accounts, Woods was not the shooter and did not have a gun at the time of the shooting. Woods was instead convicted of capital murder, despite personally killing no one www.montgomeryadvertiser.com They killed (murdered?) him after a last minute stay was denied by the US Supreme Court. Alabama has executed inmate Nathaniel Woods for the 2004 murders of three Birmingham police officers, the state corrections department said.
Woods, 42, did not give a final statement. He was pronounced dead at 9:01 p.m. local time, the department said in a statement Thursday.
Alabama Gov. Kay Ivey refused to stop the controversial execution, and the US Supreme Court denied a last-minute stay, after first ordering a temporary halt only minutes before Woods had been scheduled to die. www.cnn.comHe didn't have to die. Our society feels bottomless in its depravity sometimes. This imo is what happens when people prioritize process over justice. Innocent people are killed and no one is held accountable. You have a history of leaving out important details to suit your narrative. From your CNN article: Woods had threatened Owen, who had arrested him as a teenager, that morning, he said. Upon learning Woods had a misdemeanor assault warrant, the four officers returned to the apartment and told Woods to come outside, Marshall wrote.
"If you come in here, we'll f**k you up," Marshall quoted Woods as saying.
Chisholm went to the back and showed the warrant to Woods, who ran into the apartment, and the officers gave chase. Woods surrendered and asked the officers not to Mace him, the letter said.
Collins went outside and heard gunfire. Spencer shot Chisholm as he tried to retreat, Marshall said, and when Woods tried to escape, he saw Collins and said, "There's someone else. We got another one right here," and Spencer opened fire on Collins, who took a bullet in the thigh as he took cover and called for backup, the prosecutor said.
When help arrived, Bennett was found outside the front door, shot in the head, and Chisholm and Owen were inside. They had been shot in the back, through their bulletproof vests, Marshall wrote. All three were dead.
Investigators found Spencer in a neighbor's attic, and Woods "was found sitting on a nearby porch, apparently 'very relaxed' and carrying two .22 caliber bullets in his pocket," his letter said.
"Although Woods was not the shooter, he was hardly an innocent bystander," Marshall wrote, explaining that Woods allegedly bragged about the shootings, threatened a sheriff's deputy and composed drawings and songs boasting of the killings. The guy was outside, ran into the house to pretend to surrender so that his friend could shoot the cops in the back. Then he bragged about the whole thing. Even if this is true, why kill him? What does society gain from retribution? Nothing, but that wasn't the argument being made by GH.
If GH made a post about "man will be executed, death penalty is abhorrent" he would get a bunch of people concurring.
But he made a post about "innocent man will be executed because racism" except he might not be so innocent after all.
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On March 07 2020 00:11 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2020 23:52 Mohdoo wrote:On March 06 2020 17:52 maybenexttime wrote:On March 06 2020 14:07 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 05 2020 22:50 GreenHorizons wrote:Alabama is scheduled to kill a man tonight for killing cops literally no one disputes were killed by someone else who has confessed and been convicted. Hours after a federal judge denied a stay request in the upcoming execution of Alabama prisoner Nathaniel Woods, the son of Martin Luther King Jr. released an open letter to Gov. Kay Ivey asking her to intervene in the case.
Woods is slated to be killed via lethal injection on Thursday for his capital murder convictions in the shooting deaths of three Birmingham police officers in June 2004.
By all accounts, Woods was not the shooter and did not have a gun at the time of the shooting. Woods was instead convicted of capital murder, despite personally killing no one www.montgomeryadvertiser.com They killed (murdered?) him after a last minute stay was denied by the US Supreme Court. Alabama has executed inmate Nathaniel Woods for the 2004 murders of three Birmingham police officers, the state corrections department said.
Woods, 42, did not give a final statement. He was pronounced dead at 9:01 p.m. local time, the department said in a statement Thursday.
Alabama Gov. Kay Ivey refused to stop the controversial execution, and the US Supreme Court denied a last-minute stay, after first ordering a temporary halt only minutes before Woods had been scheduled to die. www.cnn.comHe didn't have to die. Our society feels bottomless in its depravity sometimes. This imo is what happens when people prioritize process over justice. Innocent people are killed and no one is held accountable. You have a history of leaving out important details to suit your narrative. From your CNN article: Woods had threatened Owen, who had arrested him as a teenager, that morning, he said. Upon learning Woods had a misdemeanor assault warrant, the four officers returned to the apartment and told Woods to come outside, Marshall wrote.
"If you come in here, we'll f**k you up," Marshall quoted Woods as saying.
Chisholm went to the back and showed the warrant to Woods, who ran into the apartment, and the officers gave chase. Woods surrendered and asked the officers not to Mace him, the letter said.
Collins went outside and heard gunfire. Spencer shot Chisholm as he tried to retreat, Marshall said, and when Woods tried to escape, he saw Collins and said, "There's someone else. We got another one right here," and Spencer opened fire on Collins, who took a bullet in the thigh as he took cover and called for backup, the prosecutor said.
When help arrived, Bennett was found outside the front door, shot in the head, and Chisholm and Owen were inside. They had been shot in the back, through their bulletproof vests, Marshall wrote. All three were dead.
Investigators found Spencer in a neighbor's attic, and Woods "was found sitting on a nearby porch, apparently 'very relaxed' and carrying two .22 caliber bullets in his pocket," his letter said.
"Although Woods was not the shooter, he was hardly an innocent bystander," Marshall wrote, explaining that Woods allegedly bragged about the shootings, threatened a sheriff's deputy and composed drawings and songs boasting of the killings. The guy was outside, ran into the house to pretend to surrender so that his friend could shoot the cops in the back. Then he bragged about the whole thing. Even if this is true, why kill him? What does society gain from retribution? Nothing, but that wasn't the argument being made by GH. If GH made a post about "man will be executed, death penalty is abhorrent" he would get a bunch of people concurring. But he made a post about "innocent man will be executed because racism" except he might not be so innocent after all.
I don't have an issue with people disputing his innocence (confirming it would only make killing him more horrific), I would have a problem with someone suggesting racism didn't play a role in both how/why he was convicted in Alabama and how/why he was killed in cold blood in Alabama in the year 2020 (ironically before the man who confessed to the shooting).
But I don't think not repeating the polices version of events is an egregious attempt at disinformation, practically every article always reports police statements as facts or near to, so anyone that thought perhaps it was justified to kill him despite everyone knowing he didn't pull the trigger could see it in the cited article or one of their own finding.
I thought people took away the important parts without it turning into a CSI cold case discussion, and I think the format I presented it in helped that happen. I'll take the criticism seriously though and be more thoughtful next time.
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On March 06 2020 23:20 TentativePanda wrote:
It’s pretty scary how all in the media and establishment is on destroying Bernies movement now that it’s him vs Biden. Even NPR, who was pretty fair before, is smearing him. Every MSM article you see bashed him or is neutral but written on a topic no one cares about or his highly hypothetical. Billions of dollars are being put toward electing Biden. Some would say certain future dystopian literature has a similar plot
On the news side of thing I wonder how much is because of editorial lines coming from the top and how much of it is a collective personal bias from journalist, who generally come from socio-economic demographic which aren't really Sanders voters to begins with. Probably a bit of both
There's a similar argument to be made about coverage of Trump, for all his psychotic denunciation of the medias and fake news it is hard to argue that if you take the news room of CNN, Wapo, NYT and MSNBC together you would be hard press to find a single person among hundreds who will vote for him come november. And there's no doubt that it shows on the reporting and especially the editorial that are done. I'm a Wapo and NYT readers and there has not been a day that came by in the last 4 years when there wasn't at least one article/editorial (and usually many more) saying Trump was the worst president of all time/a criminal/a liar ect.... They are, of course, not wrong, but the point is I don't think it necessarily represent a collective effort to destroy the president, it also happen organically. I don't think Bernie has it as "bad", but the news room are certainly not all his friend.
Now there's of course a very big effort by those news organization in response to him to make some amazing investigation about policy, political news and different socio-political situation or crisis back with a lot of fact and a research of neutrality, but it's not necessarily what jump to the eye.
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On March 07 2020 00:18 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2020 23:25 brian wrote:On March 06 2020 19:48 Belisarius wrote:Every time there is a kerfuffle about your posting history, you manage to demonstrate the issue within hours of it coming up. Your intro to the topic was: On March 05 2020 22:50 GreenHorizons wrote:
Alabama is scheduled to kill a man tonight for killing cops literally no one disputes were killed by someone else who has confessed and been convicted.
This is beyond misleading when the situation he was convicted for is luring a group of police so that an accomplice could murder them. If you dispute the version of events relied on by the court, go ahead and make that argument. If you are opposed to capital punishment, go ahead and make that argument as well - all of us will agree. There is, however, no way to pivot to either of those positions from your original statement in any semblance of good faith. This pattern of resorting to spin and disinformation in pursuit of your agenda is why many people have issues with you. ignorant question, is that what he was convicted of? is that murder? Yes, they call it the "felony murder rule" Show nested quote +The rule of felony murder is a legal doctrine in some common law jurisdictions that broadens the crime of murder: when an offender kills (regardless of intent to kill) in the commission of a dangerous or enumerated crime (called a felony in some jurisdictions), the offender, and also the offender's accomplices or co-conspirators, may be found guilty of murder.
The concept of felony murder originates in the rule of transferred intent, which is older than the limit of legal memory. In its original form, the malicious intent inherent in the commission of any crime, however trivial, was considered to apply to any consequences of that crime, however unintended . Police often use it to try to get one of the participants who didn't "pull the trigger" to turn on the others in exchange for not charging them with murder. And it is one of the big ones that people against the death penalty (like myself) hate because for example you could be charged with capital murder and be a getaway driver or all sorts of other people that do not deserve life incarceration let alone death. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felony_murder_rule
thanks, and so then to be perfectly clear, the conviction wouldn’t be for ‘felony murder’ instead? he was convicted of ‘capital murder?’
reading up on it, my expectation would’ve been the charge to be explicitly one or the other while the punishment or sentencing remains the same? though like i opened with, i’m definitely coming at this from a place of ignorance.
reading up on it some more, only in rare instances is felony murder a capital offense, the SC actually once ruled it unconstitutional until exceptions were made. so this distinction does seem fairly important.
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On March 07 2020 00:47 brian wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2020 00:18 JimmiC wrote:On March 06 2020 23:25 brian wrote:On March 06 2020 19:48 Belisarius wrote:Every time there is a kerfuffle about your posting history, you manage to demonstrate the issue within hours of it coming up. Your intro to the topic was: On March 05 2020 22:50 GreenHorizons wrote:
Alabama is scheduled to kill a man tonight for killing cops literally no one disputes were killed by someone else who has confessed and been convicted.
This is beyond misleading when the situation he was convicted for is luring a group of police so that an accomplice could murder them. If you dispute the version of events relied on by the court, go ahead and make that argument. If you are opposed to capital punishment, go ahead and make that argument as well - all of us will agree. There is, however, no way to pivot to either of those positions from your original statement in any semblance of good faith. This pattern of resorting to spin and disinformation in pursuit of your agenda is why many people have issues with you. ignorant question, is that what he was convicted of? is that murder? Yes, they call it the "felony murder rule" The rule of felony murder is a legal doctrine in some common law jurisdictions that broadens the crime of murder: when an offender kills (regardless of intent to kill) in the commission of a dangerous or enumerated crime (called a felony in some jurisdictions), the offender, and also the offender's accomplices or co-conspirators, may be found guilty of murder.
The concept of felony murder originates in the rule of transferred intent, which is older than the limit of legal memory. In its original form, the malicious intent inherent in the commission of any crime, however trivial, was considered to apply to any consequences of that crime, however unintended . Police often use it to try to get one of the participants who didn't "pull the trigger" to turn on the others in exchange for not charging them with murder. And it is one of the big ones that people against the death penalty (like myself) hate because for example you could be charged with capital murder and be a getaway driver or all sorts of other people that do not deserve life incarceration let alone death. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felony_murder_rule thanks, and so then to be perfectly clear, the conviction wouldn’t be for ‘felony murder’ instead? he was convicted of ‘capital murder?’ reading up on it, my expectation would’ve been the charge to be explicitly one or the other while the punishment or sentencing remains the same? though like i opened with, i’m definitely coming at this from a place of ignorance. reading up on it some more, only in rare instances is felony murder a capital offense, the SC actually once ruled it unconstitutional until exceptions were made. so this distinction does seem fairly important.
as with most things concerning law in the US, this depends on which state you're in.
Alabama Code § 13A-6-2(a)(3). It provides that when a person commits various crimes and "in the course of and in furtherance of the crime" another is killed, then the perpetrator is guilty of murder, a "Class A Felony", the punishment of which is not less than 10 years nor more than 99 years in prison, or life in prison. If any aggravating circumstances were present, the penalty is death or life imprisonment.
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On March 07 2020 00:33 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2020 00:11 Gorsameth wrote:On March 06 2020 23:52 Mohdoo wrote:On March 06 2020 17:52 maybenexttime wrote:On March 06 2020 14:07 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 05 2020 22:50 GreenHorizons wrote:Alabama is scheduled to kill a man tonight for killing cops literally no one disputes were killed by someone else who has confessed and been convicted. Hours after a federal judge denied a stay request in the upcoming execution of Alabama prisoner Nathaniel Woods, the son of Martin Luther King Jr. released an open letter to Gov. Kay Ivey asking her to intervene in the case.
Woods is slated to be killed via lethal injection on Thursday for his capital murder convictions in the shooting deaths of three Birmingham police officers in June 2004.
By all accounts, Woods was not the shooter and did not have a gun at the time of the shooting. Woods was instead convicted of capital murder, despite personally killing no one www.montgomeryadvertiser.com They killed (murdered?) him after a last minute stay was denied by the US Supreme Court. Alabama has executed inmate Nathaniel Woods for the 2004 murders of three Birmingham police officers, the state corrections department said.
Woods, 42, did not give a final statement. He was pronounced dead at 9:01 p.m. local time, the department said in a statement Thursday.
Alabama Gov. Kay Ivey refused to stop the controversial execution, and the US Supreme Court denied a last-minute stay, after first ordering a temporary halt only minutes before Woods had been scheduled to die. www.cnn.comHe didn't have to die. Our society feels bottomless in its depravity sometimes. This imo is what happens when people prioritize process over justice. Innocent people are killed and no one is held accountable. You have a history of leaving out important details to suit your narrative. From your CNN article: Woods had threatened Owen, who had arrested him as a teenager, that morning, he said. Upon learning Woods had a misdemeanor assault warrant, the four officers returned to the apartment and told Woods to come outside, Marshall wrote.
"If you come in here, we'll f**k you up," Marshall quoted Woods as saying.
Chisholm went to the back and showed the warrant to Woods, who ran into the apartment, and the officers gave chase. Woods surrendered and asked the officers not to Mace him, the letter said.
Collins went outside and heard gunfire. Spencer shot Chisholm as he tried to retreat, Marshall said, and when Woods tried to escape, he saw Collins and said, "There's someone else. We got another one right here," and Spencer opened fire on Collins, who took a bullet in the thigh as he took cover and called for backup, the prosecutor said.
When help arrived, Bennett was found outside the front door, shot in the head, and Chisholm and Owen were inside. They had been shot in the back, through their bulletproof vests, Marshall wrote. All three were dead.
Investigators found Spencer in a neighbor's attic, and Woods "was found sitting on a nearby porch, apparently 'very relaxed' and carrying two .22 caliber bullets in his pocket," his letter said.
"Although Woods was not the shooter, he was hardly an innocent bystander," Marshall wrote, explaining that Woods allegedly bragged about the shootings, threatened a sheriff's deputy and composed drawings and songs boasting of the killings. The guy was outside, ran into the house to pretend to surrender so that his friend could shoot the cops in the back. Then he bragged about the whole thing. Even if this is true, why kill him? What does society gain from retribution? Nothing, but that wasn't the argument being made by GH. If GH made a post about "man will be executed, death penalty is abhorrent" he would get a bunch of people concurring. But he made a post about "innocent man will be executed because racism" except he might not be so innocent after all. I don't have an issue with people disputing his innocence (confirming it would only make killing him more horrific), I would have a problem with someone suggesting racism didn't play a role in both how/why he was convicted in Alabama and how/why he was killed in cold blood in Alabama in the year 2020 (ironically before the man who confessed to the shooting). But I don't think not repeating the polices version of events is an egregious attempt at disinformation, practically every article always reports police statements as facts or near to, so anyone that thought perhaps it was justified to kill him despite everyone knowing he didn't pull the trigger could see it in the cited article or one of their own finding. I thought people took away the important parts without it turning into a CSI cold case discussion, and I think the format I presented it in helped that happen. I'll take the criticism seriously though and be more thoughtful next time.
You made a claim that he was convicted due to racism. The burden of proof is on you. So far you have not presented a shred of evidence.
You've been doing this shit for years. You think anyone's gonna buy that you're suddenly gonna change?
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On March 07 2020 07:36 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2020 00:33 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 07 2020 00:11 Gorsameth wrote:On March 06 2020 23:52 Mohdoo wrote:On March 06 2020 17:52 maybenexttime wrote:On March 06 2020 14:07 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 05 2020 22:50 GreenHorizons wrote:Alabama is scheduled to kill a man tonight for killing cops literally no one disputes were killed by someone else who has confessed and been convicted. Hours after a federal judge denied a stay request in the upcoming execution of Alabama prisoner Nathaniel Woods, the son of Martin Luther King Jr. released an open letter to Gov. Kay Ivey asking her to intervene in the case.
Woods is slated to be killed via lethal injection on Thursday for his capital murder convictions in the shooting deaths of three Birmingham police officers in June 2004.
By all accounts, Woods was not the shooter and did not have a gun at the time of the shooting. Woods was instead convicted of capital murder, despite personally killing no one www.montgomeryadvertiser.com They killed (murdered?) him after a last minute stay was denied by the US Supreme Court. Alabama has executed inmate Nathaniel Woods for the 2004 murders of three Birmingham police officers, the state corrections department said.
Woods, 42, did not give a final statement. He was pronounced dead at 9:01 p.m. local time, the department said in a statement Thursday.
Alabama Gov. Kay Ivey refused to stop the controversial execution, and the US Supreme Court denied a last-minute stay, after first ordering a temporary halt only minutes before Woods had been scheduled to die. www.cnn.comHe didn't have to die. Our society feels bottomless in its depravity sometimes. This imo is what happens when people prioritize process over justice. Innocent people are killed and no one is held accountable. You have a history of leaving out important details to suit your narrative. From your CNN article: Woods had threatened Owen, who had arrested him as a teenager, that morning, he said. Upon learning Woods had a misdemeanor assault warrant, the four officers returned to the apartment and told Woods to come outside, Marshall wrote.
"If you come in here, we'll f**k you up," Marshall quoted Woods as saying.
Chisholm went to the back and showed the warrant to Woods, who ran into the apartment, and the officers gave chase. Woods surrendered and asked the officers not to Mace him, the letter said.
Collins went outside and heard gunfire. Spencer shot Chisholm as he tried to retreat, Marshall said, and when Woods tried to escape, he saw Collins and said, "There's someone else. We got another one right here," and Spencer opened fire on Collins, who took a bullet in the thigh as he took cover and called for backup, the prosecutor said.
When help arrived, Bennett was found outside the front door, shot in the head, and Chisholm and Owen were inside. They had been shot in the back, through their bulletproof vests, Marshall wrote. All three were dead.
Investigators found Spencer in a neighbor's attic, and Woods "was found sitting on a nearby porch, apparently 'very relaxed' and carrying two .22 caliber bullets in his pocket," his letter said.
"Although Woods was not the shooter, he was hardly an innocent bystander," Marshall wrote, explaining that Woods allegedly bragged about the shootings, threatened a sheriff's deputy and composed drawings and songs boasting of the killings. The guy was outside, ran into the house to pretend to surrender so that his friend could shoot the cops in the back. Then he bragged about the whole thing. Even if this is true, why kill him? What does society gain from retribution? Nothing, but that wasn't the argument being made by GH. If GH made a post about "man will be executed, death penalty is abhorrent" he would get a bunch of people concurring. But he made a post about "innocent man will be executed because racism" except he might not be so innocent after all. I don't have an issue with people disputing his innocence (confirming it would only make killing him more horrific), I would have a problem with someone suggesting racism didn't play a role in both how/why he was convicted in Alabama and how/why he was killed in cold blood in Alabama in the year 2020 (ironically before the man who confessed to the shooting). But I don't think not repeating the polices version of events is an egregious attempt at disinformation, practically every article always reports police statements as facts or near to, so anyone that thought perhaps it was justified to kill him despite everyone knowing he didn't pull the trigger could see it in the cited article or one of their own finding. I thought people took away the important parts without it turning into a CSI cold case discussion, and I think the format I presented it in helped that happen. I'll take the criticism seriously though and be more thoughtful next time. You made a claim that he was convicted due to racism. The burden of proof is on you. So far you have not presented a shred of evidence. You've been doing this shit for years. You think anyone's gonna buy that you're suddenly gonna change?
I said it was also a factor in addition to the others mentioned.
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On March 07 2020 08:00 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2020 07:36 maybenexttime wrote:On March 07 2020 00:33 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 07 2020 00:11 Gorsameth wrote:On March 06 2020 23:52 Mohdoo wrote:On March 06 2020 17:52 maybenexttime wrote:On March 06 2020 14:07 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 05 2020 22:50 GreenHorizons wrote:Alabama is scheduled to kill a man tonight for killing cops literally no one disputes were killed by someone else who has confessed and been convicted. Hours after a federal judge denied a stay request in the upcoming execution of Alabama prisoner Nathaniel Woods, the son of Martin Luther King Jr. released an open letter to Gov. Kay Ivey asking her to intervene in the case.
Woods is slated to be killed via lethal injection on Thursday for his capital murder convictions in the shooting deaths of three Birmingham police officers in June 2004.
By all accounts, Woods was not the shooter and did not have a gun at the time of the shooting. Woods was instead convicted of capital murder, despite personally killing no one www.montgomeryadvertiser.com They killed (murdered?) him after a last minute stay was denied by the US Supreme Court. Alabama has executed inmate Nathaniel Woods for the 2004 murders of three Birmingham police officers, the state corrections department said.
Woods, 42, did not give a final statement. He was pronounced dead at 9:01 p.m. local time, the department said in a statement Thursday.
Alabama Gov. Kay Ivey refused to stop the controversial execution, and the US Supreme Court denied a last-minute stay, after first ordering a temporary halt only minutes before Woods had been scheduled to die. www.cnn.comHe didn't have to die. Our society feels bottomless in its depravity sometimes. This imo is what happens when people prioritize process over justice. Innocent people are killed and no one is held accountable. You have a history of leaving out important details to suit your narrative. From your CNN article: Woods had threatened Owen, who had arrested him as a teenager, that morning, he said. Upon learning Woods had a misdemeanor assault warrant, the four officers returned to the apartment and told Woods to come outside, Marshall wrote.
"If you come in here, we'll f**k you up," Marshall quoted Woods as saying.
Chisholm went to the back and showed the warrant to Woods, who ran into the apartment, and the officers gave chase. Woods surrendered and asked the officers not to Mace him, the letter said.
Collins went outside and heard gunfire. Spencer shot Chisholm as he tried to retreat, Marshall said, and when Woods tried to escape, he saw Collins and said, "There's someone else. We got another one right here," and Spencer opened fire on Collins, who took a bullet in the thigh as he took cover and called for backup, the prosecutor said.
When help arrived, Bennett was found outside the front door, shot in the head, and Chisholm and Owen were inside. They had been shot in the back, through their bulletproof vests, Marshall wrote. All three were dead.
Investigators found Spencer in a neighbor's attic, and Woods "was found sitting on a nearby porch, apparently 'very relaxed' and carrying two .22 caliber bullets in his pocket," his letter said.
"Although Woods was not the shooter, he was hardly an innocent bystander," Marshall wrote, explaining that Woods allegedly bragged about the shootings, threatened a sheriff's deputy and composed drawings and songs boasting of the killings. The guy was outside, ran into the house to pretend to surrender so that his friend could shoot the cops in the back. Then he bragged about the whole thing. Even if this is true, why kill him? What does society gain from retribution? Nothing, but that wasn't the argument being made by GH. If GH made a post about "man will be executed, death penalty is abhorrent" he would get a bunch of people concurring. But he made a post about "innocent man will be executed because racism" except he might not be so innocent after all. I don't have an issue with people disputing his innocence (confirming it would only make killing him more horrific), I would have a problem with someone suggesting racism didn't play a role in both how/why he was convicted in Alabama and how/why he was killed in cold blood in Alabama in the year 2020 (ironically before the man who confessed to the shooting). But I don't think not repeating the polices version of events is an egregious attempt at disinformation, practically every article always reports police statements as facts or near to, so anyone that thought perhaps it was justified to kill him despite everyone knowing he didn't pull the trigger could see it in the cited article or one of their own finding. I thought people took away the important parts without it turning into a CSI cold case discussion, and I think the format I presented it in helped that happen. I'll take the criticism seriously though and be more thoughtful next time. You made a claim that he was convicted due to racism. The burden of proof is on you. So far you have not presented a shred of evidence. You've been doing this shit for years. You think anyone's gonna buy that you're suddenly gonna change? I said it was also a factor in addition to the others mentioned.
You made a baseless claim. You used deliberate misinformation to push your agenda.
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On March 07 2020 08:20 maybenexttime wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2020 08:00 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 07 2020 07:36 maybenexttime wrote:On March 07 2020 00:33 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 07 2020 00:11 Gorsameth wrote:On March 06 2020 23:52 Mohdoo wrote:On March 06 2020 17:52 maybenexttime wrote:On March 06 2020 14:07 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 05 2020 22:50 GreenHorizons wrote:Alabama is scheduled to kill a man tonight for killing cops literally no one disputes were killed by someone else who has confessed and been convicted. Hours after a federal judge denied a stay request in the upcoming execution of Alabama prisoner Nathaniel Woods, the son of Martin Luther King Jr. released an open letter to Gov. Kay Ivey asking her to intervene in the case.
Woods is slated to be killed via lethal injection on Thursday for his capital murder convictions in the shooting deaths of three Birmingham police officers in June 2004.
By all accounts, Woods was not the shooter and did not have a gun at the time of the shooting. Woods was instead convicted of capital murder, despite personally killing no one www.montgomeryadvertiser.com They killed (murdered?) him after a last minute stay was denied by the US Supreme Court. Alabama has executed inmate Nathaniel Woods for the 2004 murders of three Birmingham police officers, the state corrections department said.
Woods, 42, did not give a final statement. He was pronounced dead at 9:01 p.m. local time, the department said in a statement Thursday.
Alabama Gov. Kay Ivey refused to stop the controversial execution, and the US Supreme Court denied a last-minute stay, after first ordering a temporary halt only minutes before Woods had been scheduled to die. www.cnn.comHe didn't have to die. Our society feels bottomless in its depravity sometimes. This imo is what happens when people prioritize process over justice. Innocent people are killed and no one is held accountable. You have a history of leaving out important details to suit your narrative. From your CNN article: Woods had threatened Owen, who had arrested him as a teenager, that morning, he said. Upon learning Woods had a misdemeanor assault warrant, the four officers returned to the apartment and told Woods to come outside, Marshall wrote.
"If you come in here, we'll f**k you up," Marshall quoted Woods as saying.
Chisholm went to the back and showed the warrant to Woods, who ran into the apartment, and the officers gave chase. Woods surrendered and asked the officers not to Mace him, the letter said.
Collins went outside and heard gunfire. Spencer shot Chisholm as he tried to retreat, Marshall said, and when Woods tried to escape, he saw Collins and said, "There's someone else. We got another one right here," and Spencer opened fire on Collins, who took a bullet in the thigh as he took cover and called for backup, the prosecutor said.
When help arrived, Bennett was found outside the front door, shot in the head, and Chisholm and Owen were inside. They had been shot in the back, through their bulletproof vests, Marshall wrote. All three were dead.
Investigators found Spencer in a neighbor's attic, and Woods "was found sitting on a nearby porch, apparently 'very relaxed' and carrying two .22 caliber bullets in his pocket," his letter said.
"Although Woods was not the shooter, he was hardly an innocent bystander," Marshall wrote, explaining that Woods allegedly bragged about the shootings, threatened a sheriff's deputy and composed drawings and songs boasting of the killings. The guy was outside, ran into the house to pretend to surrender so that his friend could shoot the cops in the back. Then he bragged about the whole thing. Even if this is true, why kill him? What does society gain from retribution? Nothing, but that wasn't the argument being made by GH. If GH made a post about "man will be executed, death penalty is abhorrent" he would get a bunch of people concurring. But he made a post about "innocent man will be executed because racism" except he might not be so innocent after all. I don't have an issue with people disputing his innocence (confirming it would only make killing him more horrific), I would have a problem with someone suggesting racism didn't play a role in both how/why he was convicted in Alabama and how/why he was killed in cold blood in Alabama in the year 2020 (ironically before the man who confessed to the shooting). But I don't think not repeating the polices version of events is an egregious attempt at disinformation, practically every article always reports police statements as facts or near to, so anyone that thought perhaps it was justified to kill him despite everyone knowing he didn't pull the trigger could see it in the cited article or one of their own finding. I thought people took away the important parts without it turning into a CSI cold case discussion, and I think the format I presented it in helped that happen. I'll take the criticism seriously though and be more thoughtful next time. You made a claim that he was convicted due to racism. The burden of proof is on you. So far you have not presented a shred of evidence. You've been doing this shit for years. You think anyone's gonna buy that you're suddenly gonna change? I said it was also a factor in addition to the others mentioned. You made a baseless claim. You used deliberate misinformation to push your agenda.
No, I didn't. I appreciate your opinion that racism wasn't a factor though. I'm not going to try to convince you otherwise.
Curious how you would describe my agenda though if you're interested in that.
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On March 07 2020 08:27 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2020 08:20 maybenexttime wrote:On March 07 2020 08:00 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 07 2020 07:36 maybenexttime wrote:On March 07 2020 00:33 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 07 2020 00:11 Gorsameth wrote:On March 06 2020 23:52 Mohdoo wrote:On March 06 2020 17:52 maybenexttime wrote:On March 06 2020 14:07 GreenHorizons wrote:On March 05 2020 22:50 GreenHorizons wrote:Alabama is scheduled to kill a man tonight for killing cops literally no one disputes were killed by someone else who has confessed and been convicted. [quote] www.montgomeryadvertiser.com They killed (murdered?) him after a last minute stay was denied by the US Supreme Court. Alabama has executed inmate Nathaniel Woods for the 2004 murders of three Birmingham police officers, the state corrections department said.
Woods, 42, did not give a final statement. He was pronounced dead at 9:01 p.m. local time, the department said in a statement Thursday.
Alabama Gov. Kay Ivey refused to stop the controversial execution, and the US Supreme Court denied a last-minute stay, after first ordering a temporary halt only minutes before Woods had been scheduled to die. www.cnn.comHe didn't have to die. Our society feels bottomless in its depravity sometimes. This imo is what happens when people prioritize process over justice. Innocent people are killed and no one is held accountable. You have a history of leaving out important details to suit your narrative. From your CNN article: Woods had threatened Owen, who had arrested him as a teenager, that morning, he said. Upon learning Woods had a misdemeanor assault warrant, the four officers returned to the apartment and told Woods to come outside, Marshall wrote.
"If you come in here, we'll f**k you up," Marshall quoted Woods as saying.
Chisholm went to the back and showed the warrant to Woods, who ran into the apartment, and the officers gave chase. Woods surrendered and asked the officers not to Mace him, the letter said.
Collins went outside and heard gunfire. Spencer shot Chisholm as he tried to retreat, Marshall said, and when Woods tried to escape, he saw Collins and said, "There's someone else. We got another one right here," and Spencer opened fire on Collins, who took a bullet in the thigh as he took cover and called for backup, the prosecutor said.
When help arrived, Bennett was found outside the front door, shot in the head, and Chisholm and Owen were inside. They had been shot in the back, through their bulletproof vests, Marshall wrote. All three were dead.
Investigators found Spencer in a neighbor's attic, and Woods "was found sitting on a nearby porch, apparently 'very relaxed' and carrying two .22 caliber bullets in his pocket," his letter said.
"Although Woods was not the shooter, he was hardly an innocent bystander," Marshall wrote, explaining that Woods allegedly bragged about the shootings, threatened a sheriff's deputy and composed drawings and songs boasting of the killings. The guy was outside, ran into the house to pretend to surrender so that his friend could shoot the cops in the back. Then he bragged about the whole thing. Even if this is true, why kill him? What does society gain from retribution? Nothing, but that wasn't the argument being made by GH. If GH made a post about "man will be executed, death penalty is abhorrent" he would get a bunch of people concurring. But he made a post about "innocent man will be executed because racism" except he might not be so innocent after all. I don't have an issue with people disputing his innocence (confirming it would only make killing him more horrific), I would have a problem with someone suggesting racism didn't play a role in both how/why he was convicted in Alabama and how/why he was killed in cold blood in Alabama in the year 2020 (ironically before the man who confessed to the shooting). But I don't think not repeating the polices version of events is an egregious attempt at disinformation, practically every article always reports police statements as facts or near to, so anyone that thought perhaps it was justified to kill him despite everyone knowing he didn't pull the trigger could see it in the cited article or one of their own finding. I thought people took away the important parts without it turning into a CSI cold case discussion, and I think the format I presented it in helped that happen. I'll take the criticism seriously though and be more thoughtful next time. You made a claim that he was convicted due to racism. The burden of proof is on you. So far you have not presented a shred of evidence. You've been doing this shit for years. You think anyone's gonna buy that you're suddenly gonna change? I said it was also a factor in addition to the others mentioned. You made a baseless claim. You used deliberate misinformation to push your agenda. No, I didn't. I appreciate your opinion that racism wasn't a factor though. I'm not going to try to convince you otherwise. Curious how you would describe my agenda though if you're interested in that.
Of course you did:
On March 05 2020 23:14 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2020 22:50 GreenHorizons wrote:Alabama is scheduled to kill a man tonight for killing cops literally no one disputes were killed by someone else who has confessed and been convicted. Hours after a federal judge denied a stay request in the upcoming execution of Alabama prisoner Nathaniel Woods, the son of Martin Luther King Jr. released an open letter to Gov. Kay Ivey asking her to intervene in the case.
Woods is slated to be killed via lethal injection on Thursday for his capital murder convictions in the shooting deaths of three Birmingham police officers in June 2004.
By all accounts, Woods was not the shooter and did not have a gun at the time of the shooting. Woods was instead convicted of capital murder, despite personally killing no one www.montgomeryadvertiser.com I don't understand what is going on. This guy was found guilty by a jury, right? Was all of this known at the time? If so, why did the prosecutor continue, and why did the jury find him guilty? If not, why was his case not reopened? And if it was, why was he found guilty regardless? I mean... at some point all of this was known, people looked at his case and said "yup, but he's still guilty of capital murder". Who were these people and what was their reasoning?
On March 05 2020 23:18 farvacola wrote:
Awful outcomes like that are a combo of medieval state court criminal processes and the decades long chipping away at the efficacy of federal habeas corpus petitions.
On March 05 2020 23:35 GreenHorizons wrote:Can't forget the racism, looooots of racism
You failed to explain what the official reasons for the conviction were. You claimed there was a lot of racism involved.
Now point out where I allegedly claimed that racism wasn't a factor.
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United States24741 Posts
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Trump dealing with the virus crisis shows how far gone the normality of the country already is by having a narcissist fool as leader. Everyone is tip-toeing around him trying not to anger him by telling the truth, because he doesn't like the idea of a crisis and it's bad for the stock market... meanwhile he's spreading false information, because it feels better that way. The man who altered a hurricane prediction map with a sharpie for his ego will cause damage having this same attitude towards covid-19. Just look at some of this stuff:
Trump asks doctor to make a statement, doctor replies by giving a pure flattery to Trumps ego as ' the most important thing he wanted to say'
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Trump references his super-genius uncle at MIT, and states ' people are surprised that I understand so much, everyone of these doctors says how do you know so much about this , maybe I have natural ability'
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Trump says he doesn't want to get people off the cruise ship because it would make the corona numbers look worse. I like the numbers being where they are. I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship
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HHS secretary talks about tests being made ready for shipment, Trump doesnt like it, interrupts and lies that everyone can get tested (people having trouble getting tested is widely reported) and that the tests are as perfect as his perfect phone call transcript 
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HHS secretary says well maybe listen to Dr.Redfield. Redfield says they shipped 75000 tests. Trump interrupts and claims again everyone can get a test.
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Here he asks if giving people a ' good solid flu vaccine' would have an impact on coronavirus
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Here he denies WHO data because he has a ' hunch' that the numbers are different
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On March 07 2020 13:31 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Trump dealing with the virus crisis shows how far gone the normality of the country already is by having a narcissist fool as leader. Everyone is tip-toeing around him trying not to anger him by telling the truth, because he doesn't like the idea of a crisis and it's bad for the stock market... meanwhile he's spreading false information, because it feels better that way. The man who altered a hurricane prediction map with a sharpie for his ego will cause damage having this same attitude towards covid-19. Just look at some of this stuff: Trump asks doctor to make a statement, doctor replies by giving a pure flattery to Trumps ego as ' the most important thing he wanted to say' + Show Spoiler +Trump references his super-genius uncle at MIT, and states ' people are surprised that I understand so much, everyone of these doctors says how do you know so much about this , maybe I have natural ability' + Show Spoiler +Trump says he doesn't want to get people off the cruise ship because it would make the corona numbers look worse. I like the numbers being where they are. I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship + Show Spoiler +HHS secretary talks about tests being made ready for shipment, Trump doesnt like it, interrupts and lies that everyone can get tested (people having trouble getting tested is widely reported) and that the tests are as perfect as his perfect phone call transcript + Show Spoiler +HHS secretary says well maybe listen to Dr.Redfield. Redfield says they shipped 75000 tests. Trump interrupts and claims again everyone can get a test. + Show Spoiler +Here he asks if giving people a ' good solid flu vaccine' would have an impact on coronavirus + Show Spoiler +Here he denies WHO data because he has a ' hunch' that the numbers are different + Show Spoiler +
He also said today that he didn't want a Cruise boat to disembark so as not to add a number of cases to the country's total.
Yeah, better that they all get infected like the other one... Fucking idiot.
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Northern Ireland26040 Posts
How do people not realise Trump is absolutely full of shit? It really does boggle the brain.
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On March 07 2020 20:53 Wombat_NI wrote:
How do people not realise Trump is absolutely full of shit? It really does boggle the brain. Don't mistake not caring for not knowing.
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A lot of his supporters have figured out that hes full of shot a long time ago but just figure hes better then the alternative.
Source: a bunch of union cousin's and uncles
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