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JimmiC
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TheTenthDoc
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Sent.
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I mean after 2016 the Democratic party would have to change a lot to convince Bernie's base they're not going to put their thumbs on the scale again this year. | ||
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NewSunshine
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TheTenthDoc
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But again, I don't think this is a grand Sanders conspiracy and don't think anyone here will either. It's just interesting that that isn't even thought of as a poll option even though if I were scripting it for Bernie I would want this to happen (given, again, these numbers are the correct ones). | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24385 Posts
On February 07 2020 05:09 NewSunshine wrote: I think Bernie's base has already been plenty energized by how shit the current Democratic party is, this is a drop in the bucket at this point. Does give him a unique advantage in a general election. Any other Dem is going to have to defend, what at best, Democrats call "mass incompetence". | ||
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JimmiC
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TheTenthDoc
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NewSunshine
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On February 07 2020 05:11 GreenHorizons wrote: Does give him a unique advantage in a general election. Any other Dem is going to have to defend, what at best, Democrats call "mass incompetence". For sure. And I guess that made the push for transparency worth it. The whole reason we even need Bernie right now is because the Democratic party have long been a mixture of incompetence and self-interest. Wanting to reap the benefits that come from their position of power while looking like they really care(some surely do, but their actions don't always follow their words as a group). And it's falling apart with Trump testing our every institution. | ||
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GreenHorizons
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On February 07 2020 05:20 TheTenthDoc wrote: Somehow I don't think anyone making who might possibly be unsure who they will vote for in the general election will care about the incompetence of the Iowa Democratic party. Not even Iowans. If Democrats are still trying to make an argument of "defenders of democracy" not being able to hold a fair election is kinda important. Granted after 4 years of Mueller/Russia/Ukraine and Trump's acquittal, his approval ratings are at a high so the "defenders of democracy" argument might already be DOA. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
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On February 07 2020 05:22 GreenHorizons wrote: If Democrats are still trying to make an argument of "defenders of democracy" not being able to hold a fair election is kinda important. Granted after 4 years of Mueller/Russia/Ukraine and Trump's acquittal, his approval ratings are at a high so the "defenders of democracy" argument might already be DOA. If we were being puritanical that argument is already dead on arrival. If you want to have a fair election, you shouldn't hold a caucus (unless we now live in a bizarro world where secret ballots and a minor time commitment are now not a key part of a fair election). At best a caucus is a bad ranked choice vote. I'm happy that they heavily favor the candidate I want to win, but they should still go away ASAP and I hope Bernie pushes for that after securing the nomination. | ||
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JimmiC
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GreenHorizons
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On February 07 2020 05:21 NewSunshine wrote: For sure. And I guess that made the push for transparency worth it. The whole reason we even need Bernie right now is because the Democratic party have long been a mixture of incompetence and self-interest. Wanting to reap the benefits that come from their position of power while looking like they really care(some surely do, but their actions don't always follow their words as a group). And it's falling apart with Trump testing our every institution. That's really the key. This Iowa incompetence put a lot of money in the pockets of Dem operatives. In part through what is increasingly looking like a money laundering venture from ACRONYM and its subsidiaries. | ||
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Gorsameth
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On February 07 2020 05:11 GreenHorizons wrote: Its a big advantage of being the outsider trying to break in and a known 'enemy' of the DNC. No one expects the system to be rigged in his favor.Does give him a unique advantage in a general election. Any other Dem is going to have to defend, what at best, Democrats call "mass incompetence". | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On February 07 2020 05:30 Gorsameth wrote: Its a big advantage of being the outsider trying to break in and a known 'enemy' of the DNC. No one expects the system to be rigged in his favor. If Bernie pulls off the same thing Trump did, our allies are going to be very confused. But one clear message will have been sent about our electoral process. I'm trying to find that crumb of hope. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
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I do agree with GH that this chaos gives reason to cast a big doubt on correctness of results from earlier years if those only had the end results published. The ruleset seems to be confusing way to many people ( including half of the twitter-detectives too) leading to errors. I also think the fact that Buttigieg got away with declaring victory at 0% of votes tallied way too easily. He's clearly a preferred candidate by the main news shows and if Bernie had done the same thing he would probably face big backlash. Worst thing about this whole situation is that it will disenfranchise some passive democrat voters that don't often vote, who will probably not vote now after seeing the mess. | ||
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Gorsameth
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On February 07 2020 05:34 NewSunshine wrote: how do you mean? The issue US allies have with Trump isn't that he is an outsider. Its that he is a massive moron who shits on them to feel good.If Bernie pulls off the same thing Trump did, our allies are going to be very confused. But one clear message will have been sent about our electoral process. I'm trying to find that crumb of hope. I don't expect Bernie to follow in that pattern. | ||
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GreenHorizons
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On February 07 2020 05:30 Gorsameth wrote: Its a big advantage of being the outsider trying to break in and a known 'enemy' of the DNC. No one expects the system to be rigged in his favor. The risk is that like he hinted in the SOTU, Trump might just campaign more like that, where he fed his base but also leaned on neoliberals with stuff like the bipartisan standing O for neocolonialism and token pageantry. If not Bernie then it will be non-stop stuff like this: | ||
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NewSunshine
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On February 07 2020 05:38 Gorsameth wrote: how do you mean? The issue US allies have with Trump isn't that he is an outsider. Its that he is a massive moron who shits on them to feel good. I don't expect Bernie to follow in that pattern. I mean purely in the sense of the massive pivot our leadership would take going from Trump to Bernie. We had this issue going from Bush to Obama as well. | ||
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