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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23010 Posts
On December 04 2019 06:51 Wombat_NI wrote: He doesn’t have a shot, maybe if he’d been in from the beginning but now? Just bullshit vanity, completely pointless run Winning would just be a cherry for him imo. The main point is to make sure Sanders loses (if not the nomination, the general) imo. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35118 Posts
On December 04 2019 11:45 GreenHorizons wrote: Winning would just be a cherry for him imo. The main point is to make sure Sanders loses (if not the nomination, the general) imo. Don't see how him being in the race hurts Sanders when he isn't even trying to court the same voters. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23010 Posts
On December 04 2019 11:49 Gahlo wrote: Don't see how him being in the race hurts Sanders when he isn't even trying to court the same voters. In the primary their overlap is minimal (and his chances almost 0, the anti Sanders crowd could decide to coalesce around him), in the general he certainly pulls more Democrats from Sanders than Republicans from Trump. | ||
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ShambhalaWar
United States930 Posts
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/12/03/hes-justerased-pbs-2020-segment-finds-time-klobuchar-sestak-and-bullock-completely | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23010 Posts
This speaks to a much deeper corruption than most people were willing to confront in 2016 (and some still will be in 2020). | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44053 Posts
On December 04 2019 11:56 GreenHorizons wrote: In the primary their overlap is minimal (and his chances almost 0, the anti Sanders crowd could decide to coalesce around him), in the general he certainly pulls more Democrats from Sanders than Republicans from Trump. Why is that? Bloomberg is a conservative billionaire. Sounds like more Trump supporters would be interested in him than Bernie supporters. He and Trump are both all about stopping and frisking too, although Bloomberg felt that way towards the black community while Trump feels that way towards women. | ||
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Netherlands30548 Posts
But yeah that specific segment is certainly pretty weird to not mention him. | ||
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Wegandi
United States2455 Posts
On December 04 2019 05:01 Wombat_NI wrote: Yes, you don’t have to be some crazy conservative to like some form of lineage. My grandad was an engineer, as was his father. My dad was an electronic engineer and subsequently I’m studying to be a software engineer currently. My grandad (who outlived my dad by a good 7 years) always said he got a bit of a kick that his descendants choice of career path, while rooted in similar interests also reflected the changes of the world and emerging technologies. Not quite the same as a family farm but it’s still a thing. You want your children to do better than you in life but you also want them to be a ‘better version’ of you, not something entirely different. I think most parents if they’re being honest want that as the ideal, not to say they won’t support their children on going on different paths. I’d support my son if he decided to be a professional drag queen and was gay, I’d still rather he was a heterosexual nerd who liked RTS games if given the choice. Where do you get the presupposition for your parenting argument? I'd hate to be raised in an environment where my parents wanted me to be a "better" carbon copy of them. Luckily, my parents nurtured my own interests and I became my own person. I can't believe I've read the same people who hate markets and corporate handouts defend just that the last few pages, then this? I think I reminded myself why I don't come here very often; I suppose I'll see myself out again. Also, it must be noted again...mmm capitalism, Government price controls. You do you Kwark. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23010 Posts
On December 04 2019 14:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Why is that? Bloomberg is a conservative billionaire. Sounds like more Trump supporters would be interested in him than Bernie supporters. He and Trump are both all about stopping and frisking too, although Bloomberg felt that way towards the black community while Trump feels that way towards women. Imagine a Republican telling you they are voting in 2020 for the guy who wants to ban big gulps lol. Bloomberg will be the clear centrist in a three way race (despite his obviously right wing ideology), so for people that buy into the middle ground fallacy, he's the non-extremist/reasonable/pragmatic/realist/whatever pick. You hear a lot more "Sanders is too left" than "Trump is too far right" among their respective party bases/media outlets, so it follows that people trying to split the difference would more heavily come from Dem voters from my perspective. EDIT: Put another way, more Dems and independents don't think Trump should be impeached than Republicans who think he should. Those are Bloomberg voters who just want things to "go back to normal". | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6225 Posts
I will believe the conspiracy theory if and when Bloomberg does try to join the general. Until then I'll reserve judgement. It seems like ego as much as anything else at this stage. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35118 Posts
On December 04 2019 15:35 Belisarius wrote: Two dems and one republican running clearly favours the republican in FPTP. That is true of Bloomberg spoiling sanders as it is of sanders losing and 3p-ing someone else. Both hand the presidency to Trump on a platter. I will believe the conspiracy theory if and when Bloomberg does try to join the general. Until then I'll reserve judgement. It seems like ego as much as anything else at this stage. Considering Sanders didn't 3rd party last election, bringing it up as if he would is silly. | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6225 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States23010 Posts
On December 04 2019 16:00 Belisarius wrote: IgnE brought it up at the top of the page. I don't expect he will this time either, but some of his supporters clearly want him to. "Bernie or bust" isn't about selfishly sticking to unrealistic ideals, it's literally Bernie or the capitalists will definitely make the planet practically uninhabitable based on the best available science. I can't abide people continuing to pretend there's anything reasonable or pragmatic about supporting anyone to his right in the Dem primary or a three way general. | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6225 Posts
This has been the question all along. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23010 Posts
On December 04 2019 16:12 Belisarius wrote: And handing the presidency to Trump on a platter helps in what way? This has been the question all along. I don't disagree, the issue is the incorrect belief that it's Bernie and his supporters doing that, not his opposition from Democrats (regardless how the primary turns out or if he runs third party). | ||
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Sermokala
United States13818 Posts
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Taelshin
Canada417 Posts
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Belisarius
Australia6225 Posts
I was quite surprised she stalled so hard so fast. There was clearly something counting against her that wasn't obvious to me. | ||
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