EPTTurkey has 3 million refugees.
Any destabilisation of the Turkish economy will likely lead to a worse refugee flood into Europe than 2015.
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4375 Posts
Turkey has 3 million refugees. Any destabilisation of the Turkish economy will likely lead to a worse refugee flood into Europe than 2015. | ||
KwarK
United States43443 Posts
On October 10 2019 07:15 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: Whatever the case the EU should take Trumps threat to economically destroy Turkey seriously. Turkey has 3 million refugees. Any destabilisation of the Turkish economy will likely lead to a worse refugee flood into Europe than 2015. The same threat in which Trump said he’d already destroyed Turkey economically? | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8784 Posts
On October 10 2019 07:15 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: Whatever the case the EU should take Trumps threat to economically destroy Turkey seriously. Turkey has 3 million refugees. Any destabilisation of the Turkish economy will likely lead to a worse refugee flood into Europe than 2015. so what if the eu takes it seriously? what are they going to do about it? condemn trump further for his idiocy? they should get in line then. i dont know how youre able to defend trump on his actions this much, its pretty incredible actually | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On October 10 2019 07:15 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: Whatever the case the EU should take Trumps threat to economically destroy Turkey seriously. Turkey has 3 million refugees. Any destabilisation of the Turkish economy will likely lead to a worse refugee flood into Europe than 2015. Is that your genuine, in your great and unmatched wisdom, analysis? | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
On October 10 2019 07:57 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Is that your genuine, in your great and unmatched wisdom, analysis? In nettles' world everybody should bow before Trump and obey, and America will never face any consequences for this nonsense ever because America is invincible. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4375 Posts
On October 10 2019 07:57 Dangermousecatdog wrote: Is that your genuine, in your great and unmatched wisdom, analysis? Yes, since Erdogan already threatened to release millions of refugees into the west if he didn’t get his safe zone.So either deny Erdogan his safe zone and he releases refugees or harm Turkey economically and they release refugees.EU should strengthen borders now. https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/05/erdogan-ill-let-syrian-refugees-leave-turkey-for-west-unless-safe-zone-set-up The Turkish president, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, is threatening to “open the gates” to allow Syrian refugees to leave Turkey for western countries unless a controversial “safe zone” inside Syria is established soon Which do you think isn’t possible? 1.Trump introducing punitive economic tariffs on Turkey, like he has already on Europe, China and Mexico (Until they buckled and negotiated) 2.Erdogan using refugees as a weapon when he does not get his way, like he threatened to do last month. | ||
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farvacola
United States18845 Posts
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4375 Posts
On October 10 2019 08:44 farvacola wrote: Lol, good to see that beneath the anti-immigrant veneer is extreme cowardice and bootlicking tendencies, rarely is it so obvious I’d wager no leader on earth wants 3.6 million refugees moving into their country. Even the EU did a refugee swap deal with Turkey in 2016 to slow the flow no? How about don’t support rebel groups and don’t invade the Middle East in the first place.Radical idea. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26225 Posts
On October 10 2019 10:06 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: I’d wager no leader on earth wants 3.6 million refugees moving into their country. Even the EU did a refugee swap deal with Turkey in 2016 to slow the flow no? How about don’t support rebel groups and don’t invade the Middle East in the first place.Radical idea. A large amount of us I wager we’re against the Iraq and Afghanistan ventures in the first place, as said, we lack a time machine to go back on such things. If you do destabilise a region don’t fuck off and leave your former allies high and dry, seems pretty simple to me. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7949 Posts
I thought he was an idiot, but it looks more and more like he's actually batshit crazy. | ||
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Zambrah
United States7393 Posts
On October 10 2019 15:38 Biff The Understudy wrote: Trump apparently justified letting the kurds getting steamrolled because they weren't in the Normandy landing. I thought he was an idiot, but it looks more and more like he's actually batshit crazy. Why not both? He's also likely the most easily manipulatable president the US has ever had. Now what are the odds he does a full 360 on Turkey and the Kurds? | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On October 10 2019 08:42 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: Yes, since Erdogan already threatened to release millions of refugees into the west if he didn’t get his safe zone.So either deny Erdogan his safe zone and he releases refugees or harm Turkey economically and they release refugees.EU should strengthen borders now. https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/05/erdogan-ill-let-syrian-refugees-leave-turkey-for-west-unless-safe-zone-set-up Which do you think isn’t possible? 1.Trump introducing punitive economic tariffs on Turkey, like he has already on Europe, China and Mexico (Until they buckled and negotiated) 2.Erdogan using refugees as a weapon when he does not get his way, like he threatened to do last month. Was that before or after Trump has totally destroy and obliterate the Economy of Turkey (which he has done before!) ? Iplaynettles see a deranged message and takes it in all seriousness says all you need to say about iPlayNettles. | ||
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Neneu
Norway492 Posts
On October 10 2019 08:42 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: Yes, since Erdogan already threatened to release millions of refugees into the west if he didn’t get his safe zone.So either deny Erdogan his safe zone and he releases refugees or harm Turkey economically and they release refugees.EU should strengthen borders now. https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2019/sep/05/erdogan-ill-let-syrian-refugees-leave-turkey-for-west-unless-safe-zone-set-up Which do you think isn’t possible? 1.Trump introducing punitive economic tariffs on Turkey, like he has already on Europe, China and Mexico (Until they buckled and negotiated) 2.Erdogan using refugees as a weapon when he does not get his way, like he threatened to do last month. So what should I be more afraid of? Refugees in refugee camps or isis fighters currently in prison camps? | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10831 Posts
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Godwrath
Spain10135 Posts
On October 10 2019 10:06 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: How about don’t support rebel groups and don’t invade the Middle East in the first place.Radical idea. Who is "you" ? Europeans? Americans? | ||
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Simberto
Germany11712 Posts
However, this also means that in my opinion, it is now the US's duty to clean up their own shit. You fucked up that region, now fix it, instead of telling europeans to deal with the fallout of your wars because you start your wars closer to us. And yes, that is hard and expensive to do. So maybe think about that the next time you think that a war would be an easy solution to some problem. Don't break stuff, and you don't have to fix it. Imagine if the EU suddenly decided to completely fuck up mexico and turn the whole country and everything in the surrounding area into a decades-long civil war. And then we just decide to leave and tell the US to deal with it. | ||
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Trainrunnef
United States599 Posts
On October 10 2019 19:45 Simberto wrote: Also, yes, that would have been a good idea in 2001. Sadly, the US likes to elect warmongering presidents, and actually rewards their warmongering with reelection. People here were already against the Iraq war in 2001. And as it turns out, the whole thing was a horrible disaster in Iraq, then lead to the rise of ISIS and the horrible disaster in Syria. All of that could have been prevented by simply not invading Iraq in 2001. And Afghanistan isn't looking a lot better either. However, this also means that in my opinion, it is now the US's duty to clean up their own shit. You fucked up that region, now fix it, instead of telling europeans to deal with the fallout of your wars because you start your wars closer to us. And yes, that is hard and expensive to do. So maybe think about that the next time you think that a war would be an easy solution to some problem. Don't break stuff, and you don't have to fix it. Imagine if the EU suddenly decided to completely fuck up mexico and turn the whole country and everything in the surrounding area into a decades-long civil war. And then we just decide to leave and tell the US to deal with it. Its my personal belief that the decision to attack Iraq, has directly led to the election of Trump and the vast majority of the turmoil we see today. it created a very long chain of events that led to millions of displaced arabs & muslims, fueling the anti-immigrant sentiments we are seeing today. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15726 Posts
Indictment: https://s.wsj.net/public/resources/documents/U.S.v.LevParnasetalIndictment.pdf At and around the same time PARNAS and FRUMAN committed to raising those funds for Congressman-1 PARNAS met ith Congressman-1 and sought his assistance in causing the U.S. government to remove or recall the then-U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine. PARNAS's efforts to remove the ambassador were conducted, at least in part, at the request of one or more Ukrainian government officials. NYT: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/10/us/politics/lev-parnas-igor-fruman-arrested-giuliani.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage | ||
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farvacola
United States18845 Posts
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