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redlightdistrict
Profile Joined October 2018
382 Posts
September 03 2019 03:35 GMT
#35641
is the Bahamas an unincorporated territory of the United States like Puerto rico, part of the US like the Virgin Islands, or its on government like cuba? ive been hearing many conflicting reports on who is going to pay and donate for damage reparations.
micronesia
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States24752 Posts
September 03 2019 03:48 GMT
#35642
On September 03 2019 12:35 redlightdistrict wrote:
is the Bahamas an unincorporated territory of the United States like Puerto rico, part of the US like the Virgin Islands, or its on government like cuba? ive been hearing many conflicting reports on who is going to pay and donate for damage reparations.

The answer to your question is located at the link below. To quote:

1973: Bahamas' sun sets on British Empire
Prince Charles has enjoyed the Bahamas' last day as a British colony.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/july/9/newsid_2498000/2498835.stm

It is its own country.
ModeratorThere are animal crackers for people and there are people crackers for animals.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23571 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-03 04:12:15
September 03 2019 03:54 GMT
#35643
With tensions continuing to rise between Israel and Iran, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo pledged complete and uncritical support for Israel in any potential war with Iran. Pompeo: U.S. Will Give Israel Diplomatic, Legal, And Military Resupply Support In Any War With Iran, However Long

On September 03 2019 12:48 micronesia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2019 12:35 redlightdistrict wrote:
is the Bahamas an unincorporated territory of the United States like Puerto rico, part of the US like the Virgin Islands, or its on government like cuba? ive been hearing many conflicting reports on who is going to pay and donate for damage reparations.

The answer to your question is located at the link below. To quote:

Show nested quote +
1973: Bahamas' sun sets on British Empire
Prince Charles has enjoyed the Bahamas' last day as a British colony.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/july/9/newsid_2498000/2498835.stm

It is its own country.


I'd say it was pretty thoroughly colonized, but does have nominal independence.

The Queen (her representative) still picks the Supreme Court while the people get to advise her (rep)
also the Judicial Committee of the Privy Council (in London) serves as the final court of appeal for The Bahamas
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43448 Posts
September 03 2019 04:06 GMT
#35644
On September 03 2019 12:35 redlightdistrict wrote:
is the Bahamas an unincorporated territory of the United States like Puerto rico, part of the US like the Virgin Islands, or its on government like cuba? ive been hearing many conflicting reports on who is going to pay and donate for damage reparations.

It’s weird that you don’t know if nearby nations are part of America and weirder that you asked strangers on the internet instead of checking.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9015 Posts
September 03 2019 04:54 GMT
#35645
On September 03 2019 13:06 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2019 12:35 redlightdistrict wrote:
is the Bahamas an unincorporated territory of the United States like Puerto rico, part of the US like the Virgin Islands, or its on government like cuba? ive been hearing many conflicting reports on who is going to pay and donate for damage reparations.

It’s weird that you don’t know if nearby nations are part of America and weirder that you asked strangers on the internet instead of checking.

I thought we owned every island not named Cuba that is within close proximity of the USA. Because you know...military might makes right. How have we not colonised...I mean...annexed them yet?
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43448 Posts
September 03 2019 05:01 GMT
#35646
On September 03 2019 13:54 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2019 13:06 KwarK wrote:
On September 03 2019 12:35 redlightdistrict wrote:
is the Bahamas an unincorporated territory of the United States like Puerto rico, part of the US like the Virgin Islands, or its on government like cuba? ive been hearing many conflicting reports on who is going to pay and donate for damage reparations.

It’s weird that you don’t know if nearby nations are part of America and weirder that you asked strangers on the internet instead of checking.

I thought we owned every island not named Cuba that is within close proximity of the USA. Because you know...military might makes right. How have we not colonised...I mean...annexed them yet?

Because some islands were British and French colonies. The US only got the Spanish ones because Spain is the Mexico of Europe and the US a hundred years ago gave no shits about taking land from some euromexicans.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
September 03 2019 05:26 GMT
#35647
On September 03 2019 14:01 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2019 13:54 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
On September 03 2019 13:06 KwarK wrote:
On September 03 2019 12:35 redlightdistrict wrote:
is the Bahamas an unincorporated territory of the United States like Puerto rico, part of the US like the Virgin Islands, or its on government like cuba? ive been hearing many conflicting reports on who is going to pay and donate for damage reparations.

It’s weird that you don’t know if nearby nations are part of America and weirder that you asked strangers on the internet instead of checking.

I thought we owned every island not named Cuba that is within close proximity of the USA. Because you know...military might makes right. How have we not colonised...I mean...annexed them yet?

Because some islands were British and French colonies. The US only got the Spanish ones because Spain is the Mexico of Europe and the US a hundred years ago gave no shits about taking land from some euromexicans.


What does it mean to be "the Mexico" of something?
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43448 Posts
September 03 2019 05:43 GMT
#35648
On September 03 2019 14:26 IgnE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2019 14:01 KwarK wrote:
On September 03 2019 13:54 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
On September 03 2019 13:06 KwarK wrote:
On September 03 2019 12:35 redlightdistrict wrote:
is the Bahamas an unincorporated territory of the United States like Puerto rico, part of the US like the Virgin Islands, or its on government like cuba? ive been hearing many conflicting reports on who is going to pay and donate for damage reparations.

It’s weird that you don’t know if nearby nations are part of America and weirder that you asked strangers on the internet instead of checking.

I thought we owned every island not named Cuba that is within close proximity of the USA. Because you know...military might makes right. How have we not colonised...I mean...annexed them yet?

Because some islands were British and French colonies. The US only got the Spanish ones because Spain is the Mexico of Europe and the US a hundred years ago gave no shits about taking land from some euromexicans.


What does it mean to be "the Mexico" of something?

Exactly what it sounds like.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
September 03 2019 06:14 GMT
#35649
Which is what?
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-03 12:34:19
September 03 2019 12:21 GMT
#35650
"Spain is the Mexico of Europe" is a new one to me and doesn't seem to make any sense whatsoever to well a European. It was true that USA embarked on wars with a colonial power with some of the most available land with declining power due to lack of industrialisation at home, but back then Mexico was considered part of Spanish Empire, like Canada was part of the British Empire. The analogy makes no sense.
Ryzel
Profile Joined December 2012
United States540 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-03 13:15:40
September 03 2019 13:11 GMT
#35651
If I had to guess, it’s probably in the sense that 1800s America felt a sense of kinship with Britain and France (and to a lesser extent Germany) due to its origin as well as the ancestral nationalities of its people, whereas Spain is an “other” in the same sense that Mexico is. “Who cares about Spaniards, we don’t have any of those types around these parts anyway.” To this day cities in America have places like Little Italy, Germantown, Chinatown, little pockets of cultures like Mexico and Poland and Vietnam, but for the life of me I’ve never seen or heard the equivalent of a “Spaintown”.
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Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5776 Posts
September 03 2019 13:26 GMT
#35652
It's historically been poorer as less well educated, and its people have suffered from "lazy" stereotype
Bora Pain minha porra!
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
September 03 2019 13:59 GMT
#35653
We are talking about the same country, poor in natural resources, that ended up with a large world spanning empire right?
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43448 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-03 14:01:12
September 03 2019 14:00 GMT
#35654
On September 03 2019 15:14 IgnE wrote:
Which is what?

So the premise of the joke is that 19th and early 20th Century American leadership were generally racist expansionists who saw the northern half of Mexico, Puerto Rico, Cuba, the Philippines, and a bunch of other places as being rightfully theirs. These are all Spanish speaking places. None of the British or French places were targeted.
The substance of the joke is the idea that to ignorant racists anywhere hot, south, and where the people speak “Mexican” is just another form of Mexico and therefore intrinsically inferior to the US and subject to manifest destiny.

It’s a mockery of colonialism combined with the stereotype that Americans don’t know or care about the wider world. An understanding of Spain would be beyond the simplistic hierarchy of colonialism and so in the eyes of the Americans Spain is rounded down to Euro-Mexico. Spain is obviously its own country with its own complicated history and culture. But the United States decided it was entitled to the former Spanish Empire and I am jokingly suggesting this is because all of that history and culture were lost of the American invaders who thought it was basically Mexico.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18180 Posts
September 03 2019 14:13 GMT
#35655
I do enjoy living in Euromexico though. Although I guess Catalunya doesn't count as we don't speak Mexican and are somewhat rebellious? I guess we can be Eurochiapas?
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43448 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-03 14:37:23
September 03 2019 14:18 GMT
#35656
From time to time I will distill complex issues concerning race and culture into satirical statements that are obviously ridiculous but are the essence of the problematic thing that I’m attempting to illustrate. If in doubt consult GH, he generally understands them. Take my racial power rank for example, the butt of the joke isn’t aboriginals (I think I put them last?), it’s that racism sounds really stupid when you quantify it.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9015 Posts
September 03 2019 14:30 GMT
#35657
I guess I could have been more overt in my satire as well. I know what's what outside of the border.
Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5776 Posts
September 03 2019 14:32 GMT
#35658
On September 03 2019 22:59 Dangermousecatdog wrote:
We are talking about the same country, poor in natural resources, that ended up with a large world spanning empire right?


I forgot to preface with "from 1700 on", but didn't, so I accept my mistake.

That said, the capacity of a government to mobilize resources for war and conquest is not sinonimous with how rich its people were. Although it's not a simple thing to do, economic historians look to production and consumption to have a clearer view of how prosperous a people were, and by these measures Spain was at the middle of the pack in the 1500s (when the Italian states were the most properous) and was left behind by 1700 (when Holland was at its relative peak).

After 1700, Spain could barely do the former anyway, and in reguards to literacy even at their peak the were never up there.
Bora Pain minha porra!
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43448 Posts
September 03 2019 14:35 GMT
#35659
On September 03 2019 23:30 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
I guess I could have been more overt in my satire as well. I know what's what outside of the border.

I understood your post. Often I like to add onto posts I agree with which sometimes causes confusion.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9015 Posts
September 03 2019 14:49 GMT
#35660
On September 03 2019 23:35 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2019 23:30 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
I guess I could have been more overt in my satire as well. I know what's what outside of the border.

I understood your post. Often I like to add onto posts I agree with which sometimes causes confusion.

For sure. I found it comical but then we got kind of serious so I felt I needed to put that out there. I wonder, if Portugal and Spain hadn't journeyed as far as South America and tried for Southeast Asia, could they have stayed on par with England, France, and to some extent, the Dutch. Could they have taken Hong Kong from Britain? World history is fascinating.

In a lesson of why trump shouldn't be allowed to tweet anything, ever, I present to you exhibit A. Amateur satellite trackers have found the satellite that took the Iran picture.

Amateur satellite trackers say they believe an image tweeted by President Trump on Friday came from one of America's most advanced spy satellites.

The image almost certainly came from a satellite known as USA 224, according to Marco Langbroek, a satellite-tracker based in the Netherlands. The satellite was launched by the National Reconnaissance Office in 2011. Almost everything about it remains highly classified, but Langbroek says that based on its size and orbit, most observers believe USA 224 is one of America's multibillion-dollar KH-11 reconnaissance satellites.

"It's basically a very large telescope, not unlike the Hubble Space Telescope," Langbroek says. "But instead of looking up to the stars, it looks down to the Earth's surface and makes very detailed images."

Source

Seems minor, but little things can add up quickly.
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