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Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
August 30 2019 10:15 GMT
#35601
This is almost the Shadowrun timeline, were just missing a great awakening of magic, some goblinization here and there and I'm sure the extraterritorial current megacorps can get the official extraterritoriality they're already probably more or less enjoying.

That a little hyperbolic, but when I see shit like the Epstein (probably Murder) situation I really can't help but to think this is some Shadowrun shit with less magic and orks.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
Silvanel
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Poland4768 Posts
August 30 2019 10:30 GMT
#35602
Cheers for Shadowrun ^^ but unfortunately this is just normal timeline. Shit sadly is the same as always has been, its just not always so obvious.
Pathetic Greta hater.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46213 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-30 10:40:43
August 30 2019 10:39 GMT
#35603
On August 30 2019 10:31 HelpMeGetBetter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2019 10:09 GreenHorizons wrote:
On August 30 2019 04:52 farvacola wrote:
Warren/Buttigieg is what I’d put money on if I were forced to today.


That sounds like an awful/losing ticket to me, better than Biden, but still awful. I don't think Warren has a serious chance though I have to admit I didn't think she'd be able to recover from her stumbling early in the campaign.

Harris and Buttigieg are also rans but the field should be down to them +Biden, Sanders, and Warren already. The scattershot anti-Bernie candidates all failed and the main talking point against Bernie from liberals is undermined by Bernie having the most diverse coalition of support.

It seems obvious Bernie provides the best chance for Democrats to win and the opposition to him is really opposition to the policy he represents. Warren is a fraud imo and is predicating her campaign on her willingness to fight for the important issues, which she completely bailed on in 2016.



Is Biden allowed to be vice president again? is that the reason we never see a ____ /Biden ticket possibility? just wondering.


He is allowed to be VP again:

"The term of office for both the vice president and the president is four years. While the Twenty-Second Amendment sets a limit on the number of times an individual can be elected to the presidency – twice,[55] there is no such limitation on the office of vice president, meaning an eligible person could hold the office as long as voters continued to vote for electors who in turn would reelect the person to the office; one could even serve under different presidents."
~ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vice_President_of_the_United_States

I suppose a Progressive/Biden P/VP ticket would be about as successful as a Biden/Progressive P/VP ticket, which wouldn't be bad at all (in terms of the odds of beating Trump/Pence) if both moderates and progressives get behind the ticket. My guess as to why you may not have seen many ____/Biden tickets discussed is because either:
1. Biden has been the frontrunner the whole time, and so maybe you'll see him being discussed in the second slot more frequently if he starts polling clearly in 2nd or 3rd;
2. Some people would probably like to replace his moderate candidacy with other, fresher moderate candidates.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7032 Posts
August 31 2019 19:06 GMT
#35604
On August 30 2019 18:05 GreenHorizons wrote:
In a not so surprising turn of events, the cameras that would catch anyone going in and out of Epstein's cell "malfunctioned".

Show nested quote +
Two cameras that malfunctioned outside the jail cell where financier Jeffrey Epstein died as he awaited trial on sex-trafficking charges have been sent to an FBI crime lab for examination, a law enforcement source told Reuters.

Epstein’s lawyers Reid Weingarten and Martin Weinberg told U.S. District Judge Richard Berman in Manhattan on Tuesday they had doubts about the New York City chief medical examiner’s conclusion that their client killed himself.

The two cameras were within view of the Manhattan jail cell where he was found dead on Aug. 10. A source earlier told Reuters two jail guards failed to follow a procedure overnight to make separate checks on all prisoners every 30 minutes.

He had been taken off suicide watch prior to his death.

The cameras were sent to Quantico, Virginia, site of a major FBI crime lab where agents and forensic scientists analyze evidence.

The Washington Post reported on Monday that at least one camera in the hallway outside Epstein’s cell had footage that was unusable. The newspaper said there was other usable footage captured in the area.

The U.S. Justice Department declined comment. The FBI and Federal Bureau of Prisons did not respond to requests for comment. All are investigating his death. Lawyers for Epstein also did not respond to requests for comment.


www.reuters.com

I thought before that Epstein couldn't possibly have been murdered, since surely it would have been captured on the security cameras or certainly the guards would have seen something. Many people would know then about the murderers and this would trigger an entire investigation that could ultimately be traced back to whomever. There were already a lot of particulars about the case that made some degree of collusion likely, but I thought that maybe it was just garden variety corruption such as Epstein's lawyers bribing the prison to get him taken off suicide watch and have the guards look the other way. But then you hear all these absurd contrivances, guards falling asleep, cameras malfunctioning, his suicide being the first to succeed out of maybe dozens in about 15 years and so on. This has to prove that Epstein didn't act completely independently, since how would he know to "kneel down with force" (which sounds to me like a ludicrous way to kill yourself, but let's say we buy it) at precisely the moment the guards were asleep and the cameras malfunctioned?

At the very least there have to be investigators who can have a closer look at this and figure out for themselves whether it was really a "clean" suicide or not, so probably many people within the AG's office or the prison or the FBI will know, so the information might be leaked to the public.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24137 Posts
August 31 2019 21:59 GMT
#35605
On September 01 2019 04:06 Grumbels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2019 18:05 GreenHorizons wrote:
In a not so surprising turn of events, the cameras that would catch anyone going in and out of Epstein's cell "malfunctioned".

Two cameras that malfunctioned outside the jail cell where financier Jeffrey Epstein died as he awaited trial on sex-trafficking charges have been sent to an FBI crime lab for examination, a law enforcement source told Reuters.

Epstein’s lawyers Reid Weingarten and Martin Weinberg told U.S. District Judge Richard Berman in Manhattan on Tuesday they had doubts about the New York City chief medical examiner’s conclusion that their client killed himself.

The two cameras were within view of the Manhattan jail cell where he was found dead on Aug. 10. A source earlier told Reuters two jail guards failed to follow a procedure overnight to make separate checks on all prisoners every 30 minutes.

He had been taken off suicide watch prior to his death.

The cameras were sent to Quantico, Virginia, site of a major FBI crime lab where agents and forensic scientists analyze evidence.

The Washington Post reported on Monday that at least one camera in the hallway outside Epstein’s cell had footage that was unusable. The newspaper said there was other usable footage captured in the area.

The U.S. Justice Department declined comment. The FBI and Federal Bureau of Prisons did not respond to requests for comment. All are investigating his death. Lawyers for Epstein also did not respond to requests for comment.


www.reuters.com

I thought before that Epstein couldn't possibly have been murdered, since surely it would have been captured on the security cameras or certainly the guards would have seen something. Many people would know then about the murderers and this would trigger an entire investigation that could ultimately be traced back to whomever. There were already a lot of particulars about the case that made some degree of collusion likely, but I thought that maybe it was just garden variety corruption such as Epstein's lawyers bribing the prison to get him taken off suicide watch and have the guards look the other way. But then you hear all these absurd contrivances, guards falling asleep, cameras malfunctioning, his suicide being the first to succeed out of maybe dozens in about 15 years and so on. This has to prove that Epstein didn't act completely independently, since how would he know to "kneel down with force" (which sounds to me like a ludicrous way to kill yourself, but let's say we buy it) at precisely the moment the guards were asleep and the cameras malfunctioned?

At the very least there have to be investigators who can have a closer look at this and figure out for themselves whether it was really a "clean" suicide or not, so probably many people within the AG's office or the prison or the FBI will know, so the information might be leaked to the public.


That would take one bold sob. If it wasn't "clean" I'm not sure it'd be very wise to tell anyone that's what you discovered. If they got to Epstein in those conditions, some journalist/investigator doesn't have a chance in hell. Probably wouldn't even get a headline when you disappeared or died mysteriously.

Alternatively, it's a pretty safe bet that if you conclude it was clean (despite discovering otherwise), you're in for a promotion.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
redlightdistrict
Profile Joined October 2018
382 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-01 00:23:49
September 01 2019 00:21 GMT
#35606
In a blow to Trump's campaign, the Judge overturned Jose Ines Garcia-Zarate gun conviction against Kate Steinle. Trump campaigned on this case big in 2016.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24137 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-01 01:18:31
September 01 2019 00:27 GMT
#35607
wow... "This is yet another disgusting injustice perpetrated by a broken criminal justice system..." "acab" as Kwark put it

That case stunk to me from the beginning, but as is usually the case, I suspect his supporters will react like the SFPOA and embolden more delusional vigilantes like we've seen lately perpetrating more and more mass shootings and such.

EDIT:_____________________________________________________________________________________________

On a lighter(?) note there was a "straight pride parade" in Boston (missing P6 right about now) that looked more like a pro Trump parade escorted/joined by police and that one guy Milo.



Any gathering of political supporters has the potential to draw out less than ideal representations of your supporters but sweet lord this is a dark timeline.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4428 Posts
September 01 2019 01:41 GMT
#35608
On August 30 2019 18:05 GreenHorizons wrote:
In a not so surprising turn of events, the cameras that would catch anyone going in and out of Epstein's cell "malfunctioned".

Show nested quote +
Two cameras that malfunctioned outside the jail cell where financier Jeffrey Epstein died as he awaited trial on sex-trafficking charges have been sent to an FBI crime lab for examination, a law enforcement source told Reuters.

Epstein’s lawyers Reid Weingarten and Martin Weinberg told U.S. District Judge Richard Berman in Manhattan on Tuesday they had doubts about the New York City chief medical examiner’s conclusion that their client killed himself.

The two cameras were within view of the Manhattan jail cell where he was found dead on Aug. 10. A source earlier told Reuters two jail guards failed to follow a procedure overnight to make separate checks on all prisoners every 30 minutes.

He had been taken off suicide watch prior to his death.

The cameras were sent to Quantico, Virginia, site of a major FBI crime lab where agents and forensic scientists analyze evidence.

The Washington Post reported on Monday that at least one camera in the hallway outside Epstein’s cell had footage that was unusable. The newspaper said there was other usable footage captured in the area.

The U.S. Justice Department declined comment. The FBI and Federal Bureau of Prisons did not respond to requests for comment. All are investigating his death. Lawyers for Epstein also did not respond to requests for comment.


www.reuters.com

Were they also 'malfunctioning' the first time he 'attempted suicide' about 3-4 weeks prior to him dying?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24137 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-01 02:43:25
September 01 2019 02:37 GMT
#35609
On September 01 2019 10:41 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2019 18:05 GreenHorizons wrote:
In a not so surprising turn of events, the cameras that would catch anyone going in and out of Epstein's cell "malfunctioned".

Two cameras that malfunctioned outside the jail cell where financier Jeffrey Epstein died as he awaited trial on sex-trafficking charges have been sent to an FBI crime lab for examination, a law enforcement source told Reuters.

Epstein’s lawyers Reid Weingarten and Martin Weinberg told U.S. District Judge Richard Berman in Manhattan on Tuesday they had doubts about the New York City chief medical examiner’s conclusion that their client killed himself.

The two cameras were within view of the Manhattan jail cell where he was found dead on Aug. 10. A source earlier told Reuters two jail guards failed to follow a procedure overnight to make separate checks on all prisoners every 30 minutes.

He had been taken off suicide watch prior to his death.

The cameras were sent to Quantico, Virginia, site of a major FBI crime lab where agents and forensic scientists analyze evidence.

The Washington Post reported on Monday that at least one camera in the hallway outside Epstein’s cell had footage that was unusable. The newspaper said there was other usable footage captured in the area.

The U.S. Justice Department declined comment. The FBI and Federal Bureau of Prisons did not respond to requests for comment. All are investigating his death. Lawyers for Epstein also did not respond to requests for comment.


www.reuters.com

Were they also 'malfunctioning' the first time he 'attempted suicide' about 3-4 weeks prior to him dying?


That's actually a really good question I haven't personally seen asked or answered in media coverage or mentioned as part of the investigation.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7032 Posts
September 01 2019 06:46 GMT
#35610
Epstein’s lawyers say he was attacked by his cellmate, so presumably if it really was captured on video they couldn’t make that claim.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
Nouar
Profile Joined May 2009
France3270 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-01 20:08:00
September 01 2019 20:07 GMT
#35611
This time does not even look like ill intent or hyperbole, just plain old dementia. Trump is saying, as he did in the past, that he had never heard of cat5 hurricanes, much less hitting land, and that this one is the strongest he's ever seen or heard of, despite there having been several since he became president, or even before that...

https://edition-m.cnn.com/2019/09/01/politics/donald-trump-category-5-hurricane-dorian/index.html
NoiR
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7032 Posts
September 01 2019 20:28 GMT
#35612
On September 02 2019 05:07 Nouar wrote:
This time does not even look like ill intent or hyperbole, just plain old dementia. Trump is saying, as he did in the past, that he had never heard of cat5 hurricanes, much less hitting land, and that this one is the strongest he's ever seen or heard of, despite there having been several since he became president, or even before that...

https://edition-m.cnn.com/2019/09/01/politics/donald-trump-category-5-hurricane-dorian/index.html

Maybe we can get another interview like this. Trump may destroy all life on earth, but he's easily the most genuinely funny president in recent memory.

Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
September 01 2019 20:37 GMT
#35613
On September 02 2019 05:07 Nouar wrote:
This time does not even look like ill intent or hyperbole, just plain old dementia. Trump is saying, as he did in the past, that he had never heard of cat5 hurricanes, much less hitting land, and that this one is the strongest he's ever seen or heard of, despite there having been several since he became president, or even before that...

https://edition-m.cnn.com/2019/09/01/politics/donald-trump-category-5-hurricane-dorian/index.html


Remember he thinks Puerto Rico is it's own country.
Life?
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
September 01 2019 20:55 GMT
#35614
--- Nuked ---
Artisreal
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany9235 Posts
September 02 2019 05:22 GMT
#35615
Everything trump says is hyperbolic. So it's not surprising that this hurricane is the biggest, scariest wettest and that the US's answer to it will be the best and the preparation for it even better.
passive quaranstream fan
Nouar
Profile Joined May 2009
France3270 Posts
September 02 2019 05:39 GMT
#35616
On September 02 2019 14:22 Artisreal wrote:
Everything trump says is hyperbolic. So it's not surprising that this hurricane is the biggest, scariest wettest and that the US's answer to it will be the best and the preparation for it even better.

I'm not surprised about that, it's his way of doing things. Saying repeatedly he's never heard or seen of cat5 hurricane, while it's not the first, this is worrying me about his mental state. Because he's convinced that's the case, so he completely forgot, even recent catastrophic events...

Same as when he insisted agent orange was napalm in front of vets, because he saw it in Apocalypse now...
NoiR
Uldridge
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium5186 Posts
September 02 2019 08:37 GMT
#35617
He's saying that not because he had dementia, but because that's a sales technique to impress people with. The problem is that he's not selling sandbags to ignorant people door to door to barricade their houses with, but he's the spokesman/symbolic figure of an entire country and is under constant scrutiny. I just think he hasn't figured out the fact he's under this big a magnifying glass.
Or, you know, hes absolutely incapable of self awareness, which is completely possible with people that are born into their success and have the intelligence of a cucumber.
Taxes are for Terrans
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24137 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-02 09:31:41
September 02 2019 09:19 GMT
#35618
You guys ever think the focus on Trump's incompetence (of which there's no one left here or anywhere really to convince otherwise)/speculation on his mental condition is a result of being able to critique long existing US policies (and vulnerabilities Trump helped expose) without having to indict neoliberalism and Democrats?

Of the three people leading the Democratic nomination 1 was a Republican most of their life, 1 proudly worked with segregationists, and the other isn't a Democrat and never was (and the party leaders like this last one the least).
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22463 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-02 09:39:45
September 02 2019 09:39 GMT
#35619
On September 02 2019 18:19 GreenHorizons wrote:
You guys ever think the focus on Trump's incompetence (of which there's no one left here or anywhere really to convince otherwise)/speculation on his mental condition is a result of being able to critique long existing US policies (and vulnerabilities Trump helped expose) without having to indict neoliberalism and Democrats?

Of the three people leading the Democratic nomination 1 was a Republican most of their life, 1 proudly worked with segregationists, and the other isn't a Democrat and never was (and the party leaders like this last one the least).
No, only in your skewed view does this exist.
Everyone else is just constantly reminded and shocked by how utterly stupid the person is that (part of) America elected as their President.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24137 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-09-02 10:33:20
September 02 2019 10:19 GMT
#35620
On September 02 2019 18:39 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2019 18:19 GreenHorizons wrote:
You guys ever think the focus on Trump's incompetence (of which there's no one left here or anywhere really to convince otherwise)/speculation on his mental condition is a result of being able to critique long existing US policies (and vulnerabilities Trump helped expose) without having to indict neoliberalism and Democrats?

Of the three people leading the Democratic nomination 1 was a Republican most of their life, 1 proudly worked with segregationists, and the other isn't a Democrat and never was (and the party leaders like this last one the least).
No, only in your skewed view does this exist.
Everyone else is just constantly reminded and shocked by how utterly stupid the person is that (part of) America elected as their President.


Does what exist?

I'm speaking generally in the media as well as here, but 2 people specifically said they aren't surprised, and I doubt they forgot (there are daily reminders, of little interest I would think) so I'm pretty sure that's not it.

He's got a better shot than most people think right now too. People seem to forget, I guess because of his slight competence and generally congenial small talk people forget he lied us into a war that ended up costing trillions and hundreds of thousands of lives that his buddies profited off of.

Then got reelected
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
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