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redlightdistrict
Profile Joined October 2018
382 Posts
August 29 2019 16:57 GMT
#35581
How did klobuchar make the third debate when gabbard didnt? Last i looked she was .5% behind gabbard but mabye that wasent an aggregate.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-29 19:02:19
August 29 2019 18:58 GMT
#35582
On August 30 2019 01:57 redlightdistrict wrote:
How did klobuchar make the third debate when gabbard didnt? Last i looked she was .5% behind gabbard but mabye that wasent an aggregate.


All about which polls. Gabbard kind of a train wreck anyway, so her finally being put out to pasture is a good thing.

On August 30 2019 00:14 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 29 2019 23:44 Zambrah wrote:
Buttigieg seems like prime VP material, he'd probably go best with Bernie, but I could imagine Warren or Harris being advantaged having him on as VP.


With Harris polling potentially 4th in California she's lucky to be considered for a VP slot at this point.


Harris wins "biggest opportunity squandered" with Beto as a close 2nd. After body slamming Biden in the first debate, she made nothing of it.
IyMoon
Profile Joined April 2016
United States1249 Posts
August 29 2019 19:25 GMT
#35583
On August 30 2019 03:58 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2019 01:57 redlightdistrict wrote:
How did klobuchar make the third debate when gabbard didnt? Last i looked she was .5% behind gabbard but mabye that wasent an aggregate.


All about which polls. Gabbard kind of a train wreck anyway, so her finally being put out to pasture is a good thing.

Show nested quote +
On August 30 2019 00:14 GreenHorizons wrote:
On August 29 2019 23:44 Zambrah wrote:
Buttigieg seems like prime VP material, he'd probably go best with Bernie, but I could imagine Warren or Harris being advantaged having him on as VP.


With Harris polling potentially 4th in California she's lucky to be considered for a VP slot at this point.


Harris wins "biggest opportunity squandered" with Beto as a close 2nd. After body slamming Biden in the first debate, she made nothing of it.



It's hard to make something of body slamming Biden when she got put in the ground in the next debate
Something witty
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9062 Posts
August 29 2019 19:47 GMT
#35584
I enjoyed listening to Williamson talk. Hope she makes the next one. I think most of the candidates will have positions in the next administration anyway, so I'm sure we'll hear more from them going forward. As long as it is either Bernie, Yang, or Warren, we should be good. I'll take a Bernie/Yang ticket as quickly as I would a Bernie/Warren ticket.

Buttigeig and Harris are a distant, distant, last choice for me. Gabbard rates higher than those two in my eyes.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18866 Posts
August 29 2019 19:52 GMT
#35585
Warren/Buttigieg is what I’d put money on if I were forced to today.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28865 Posts
August 29 2019 20:06 GMT
#35586
Buttigieg seems like a good vp candidate for all the candidates with more than 1% shot at getting the nomination I think.
Moderator
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9062 Posts
August 29 2019 20:07 GMT
#35587
Buttigieg just seems too convenient for me. Like he's placed here just for that purpose. He doesn't want to be president. Just wants VP or Secretary of something or other. I don't trust him on a personal level.
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-29 21:17:25
August 29 2019 21:16 GMT
#35588
he’s a technocratic manager. if political exigency demands one, he is not the worst choice as a cabinet member or vp. i just think he’s more like bill clinton as a political leader than what the country needs. even if he doesn’t come w bill’s personal failings
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
August 29 2019 22:02 GMT
#35589
On August 30 2019 06:16 IgnE wrote:
he’s a technocratic manager. if political exigency demands one, he is not the worst choice as a cabinet member or vp. i just think he’s more like bill clinton as a political leader than what the country needs. even if he doesn’t come w bill’s personal failings

Can you elaborate on the bolded?
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11583 Posts
August 29 2019 22:40 GMT
#35590
On August 30 2019 00:09 Mohdoo wrote:
I would do anything to watch buttigieg body slam pence over and over about the bible in debates

Like just saying how believing in the Bible is really bad? Because his actual interpretations thus far have demonstrated meme level understanding- if you are hoping for Mano a Mano on the bible.
Moderator5000 of our finest Taliban warriors have been released! Rise up my brothers. Mashalla! al-Donald ibn-Frederick al-Masih allows it.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
August 29 2019 22:50 GMT
#35591
On August 30 2019 07:40 Falling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2019 00:09 Mohdoo wrote:
I would do anything to watch buttigieg body slam pence over and over about the bible in debates

Like just saying how believing in the Bible is really bad? Because his actual interpretations thus far have demonstrated meme level understanding- if you are hoping for Mano a Mano on the bible.


Who are you saying has a meme level understanding of the bible?
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11583 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-30 00:05:56
August 29 2019 23:36 GMT
#35592
Buttigieg.
Although I said "thus far demonstrated" not "has"- the distinction is important.

Exactly which Republicans are running around saying God is smiling on kids in cages? It was a 'got 'em' moment in the debate, but the only place I can find anyone saying that sort of thing is Buttigieg.

(Although, I guess in this particular example, he is using religion as a cudgel to knock a strawman.)
Moderator5000 of our finest Taliban warriors have been released! Rise up my brothers. Mashalla! al-Donald ibn-Frederick al-Masih allows it.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
August 30 2019 00:30 GMT
#35593
On August 30 2019 08:36 Falling wrote:
Buttigieg.
Although I said "thus far demonstrated" not "has"- the distinction is important.

Exactly which Republicans are running around saying God is smiling on kids in cages? It was a 'got 'em' moment in the debate, but the only place I can find anyone saying that sort of thing is Buttigieg.

(Although, I guess in this particular example, he is using religion as a cudgel to knock a strawman.)


Are you saying you think republican ideology is generally more in line with the teachings of Jesus than democrats? Or just pointing out that Buttigieg has not shown himself to be more knowledgeable than Pence?
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-30 01:09:41
August 30 2019 01:08 GMT
#35594
On August 30 2019 07:02 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2019 06:16 IgnE wrote:
he’s a technocratic manager. if political exigency demands one, he is not the worst choice as a cabinet member or vp. i just think he’s more like bill clinton as a political leader than what the country needs. even if he doesn’t come w bill’s personal failings

Can you elaborate on the bolded?


he attended Harvard and was interested in politics. he was a rhodes scholar, like someone else. went into the army, then worked as a consultant at mckinsey, then built his political career on a "let's just make it work" ethos. he seems very much like a "let's make the economy work" guy, but given his fairly conformist, non-radical background, that seems to be a "let's make it work within the status quo." mckinsey selects for a certain kind of person — status driven, political quietist, willing to look the other way — and buttigieg doesn't seem like he's changed a whole lot since then.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24138 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-30 01:29:43
August 30 2019 01:09 GMT
#35595
On August 30 2019 04:52 farvacola wrote:
Warren/Buttigieg is what I’d put money on if I were forced to today.


That sounds like an awful/losing ticket to me, better than Biden, but still awful. I don't think Warren has a serious chance though I have to admit I didn't think she'd be able to recover from her stumbling early in the campaign.

Harris and Buttigieg are also rans but the field should be down to them +Biden, Sanders, and Warren already. The scattershot anti-Bernie candidates all failed and the main talking point against Bernie from liberals is undermined by Bernie having the most diverse coalition of support.

It seems obvious Bernie provides the best chance for Democrats to win and the opposition to him is really opposition to the policy he represents. Warren is a fraud imo and is predicating her campaign on her willingness to fight for the important issues, which she completely bailed on in 2016.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
HelpMeGetBetter
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
United States766 Posts
August 30 2019 01:31 GMT
#35596
On August 30 2019 10:09 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2019 04:52 farvacola wrote:
Warren/Buttigieg is what I’d put money on if I were forced to today.


That sounds like an awful/losing ticket to me, better than Biden, but still awful. I don't think Warren has a serious chance though I have to admit I didn't think she'd be able to recover from her stumbling early in the campaign.

Harris and Buttigieg are also rans but the field should be down to them +Biden, Sanders, and Warren already. The scattershot anti-Bernie candidates all failed and the main talking point against Bernie from liberals is undermined by Bernie having the most diverse coalition of support.

It seems obvious Bernie provides the best chance for Democrats to win and the opposition to him is really opposition to the policy he represents. Warren is a fraud imo and is predicating her campaign on her willingness to fight for the important issues, which she completely bailed on in 2016.



Is Biden allowed to be vice president again? is that the reason we never see a ____ /Biden ticket possibility? just wondering.
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11583 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-30 05:01:04
August 30 2019 04:55 GMT
#35597
On August 30 2019 09:30 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2019 08:36 Falling wrote:
Buttigieg.
Although I said "thus far demonstrated" not "has"- the distinction is important.

Exactly which Republicans are running around saying God is smiling on kids in cages? It was a 'got 'em' moment in the debate, but the only place I can find anyone saying that sort of thing is Buttigieg.

(Although, I guess in this particular example, he is using religion as a cudgel to knock a strawman.)


Are you saying you think republican ideology is generally more in line with the teachings of Jesus than democrats? Or just pointing out that Buttigieg has not shown himself to be more knowledgeable than Pence?

I've made no claims for the Republicans. It was you that was looking forward to Buttigieg 'bodyslamming' Pence on the Bible. I only observed that to date I have not seen the chops necessary to body slam anyone outside of the sort of twitter/ facebook "got 'em" memes that that get retweeted amongst people who already agree with your position. The depth is of the same calibre as those Liberal Logic memes.
Moderator5000 of our finest Taliban warriors have been released! Rise up my brothers. Mashalla! al-Donald ibn-Frederick al-Masih allows it.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24138 Posts
August 30 2019 09:05 GMT
#35598
In a not so surprising turn of events, the cameras that would catch anyone going in and out of Epstein's cell "malfunctioned".

Two cameras that malfunctioned outside the jail cell where financier Jeffrey Epstein died as he awaited trial on sex-trafficking charges have been sent to an FBI crime lab for examination, a law enforcement source told Reuters.

Epstein’s lawyers Reid Weingarten and Martin Weinberg told U.S. District Judge Richard Berman in Manhattan on Tuesday they had doubts about the New York City chief medical examiner’s conclusion that their client killed himself.

The two cameras were within view of the Manhattan jail cell where he was found dead on Aug. 10. A source earlier told Reuters two jail guards failed to follow a procedure overnight to make separate checks on all prisoners every 30 minutes.

He had been taken off suicide watch prior to his death.

The cameras were sent to Quantico, Virginia, site of a major FBI crime lab where agents and forensic scientists analyze evidence.

The Washington Post reported on Monday that at least one camera in the hallway outside Epstein’s cell had footage that was unusable. The newspaper said there was other usable footage captured in the area.

The U.S. Justice Department declined comment. The FBI and Federal Bureau of Prisons did not respond to requests for comment. All are investigating his death. Lawyers for Epstein also did not respond to requests for comment.


www.reuters.com
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11925 Posts
August 30 2019 09:28 GMT
#35599
It is kind of absurd just how much that thing stinks. It feels kind of like rubbing it in "We can do whatever we want, we can make it as obvious as we want, and there is nothing you can do about it."
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24138 Posts
August 30 2019 09:33 GMT
#35600
On August 30 2019 18:28 Simberto wrote:
It is kind of absurd just how much that thing stinks. It feels kind of like rubbing it in "We can do whatever we want, we can make it as obvious as we want, and there is nothing you can do about it."


You/they don't seem to be wrong.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
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