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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 15 2019 01:52 GMT
#29141
On May 15 2019 10:43 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2019 06:30 Plansix wrote:
This thing is going to completely fuck up the board game industry as well, since all of their parts for games are made in China. And most of the company, like Fantasy Flight, are not big. The will have no choice but to jack up prices or fire people. It seems small, but there are tons of small industries like that in the US that are going to take it in the teeth.

Honestly i doubt it will have much impact.
Companies will just move production to Thailand or Vietnam if the tariffs are too steep.Williams-Sonoma just did this, as well as increase US production slightly https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/13/williams-sonoma-ceo-says-it-shifted-operations-ahead-of-tariff-hikes.html

China can retaliate by devaluing their currency to nullify any tariffs.And we’re back to square one.

I’m sure tiny board game companies can really afford retooling their production. The creators of Root, INIS and Gloomhaven were totally raking it in before and can just switch. They are totally the same as a +200 million dollar kitchen goods brand. So when you say “You doubt” you really mean that you have no idea what you are talking about?
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
May 15 2019 02:09 GMT
#29142
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-15 02:17:54
May 15 2019 02:16 GMT
#29143
On May 15 2019 10:43 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2019 06:30 Plansix wrote:
This thing is going to completely fuck up the board game industry as well, since all of their parts for games are made in China. And most of the company, like Fantasy Flight, are not big. The will have no choice but to jack up prices or fire people. It seems small, but there are tons of small industries like that in the US that are going to take it in the teeth.

Honestly i doubt it will have much impact.
Companies will just move production to Thailand or Vietnam if the tariffs are too steep.Williams-Sonoma just did this, as well as increase US production slightly https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/13/williams-sonoma-ceo-says-it-shifted-operations-ahead-of-tariff-hikes.html

China can retaliate by devaluing their currency to nullify any tariffs.And we’re back to square one.

The change to ultra low sulphur fuel for container ships on 1/2020 may have a bigger impact since the price for low sulphur fuel is 55% more per tonne :
https://www.maritime-executive.com/blog/twelve-months-to-d-day-is-the-industry-ready-for-the-sulfur-cap


Who could have guessed that a company would move production to another country nearby China if it became more expensive to produce in China? I thought they were going to bring their manufacturing back to the US?
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
May 15 2019 02:25 GMT
#29144
One way to legislate in bad faith is to pass a law that knowingly violates supreme court precedent. This is similar to Republican attempts to repeal Obamacare while Obama was in office. Though you could argue this is worse because they're knowingly passing unlawful legislation.

ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9037 Posts
May 15 2019 02:40 GMT
#29145
There's someone, somewhere, still crying that the south will rise again. And it will. By mass exodus to the northern states.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 15 2019 03:19 GMT
#29146
They got a conservative majority in the Supreme Court and now every Republican State house is passing abortion legislation. It isn’t even about changing the law. It’s about fund raising and firing up the base.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
May 15 2019 03:27 GMT
#29147
I like the idea that they're willing to say women should serve more time in prison for getting an abortion than the person who made her get it by raping her. They passed it into law. The worst part is I'm not really surprised.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
Ben...
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3485 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-15 03:58:48
May 15 2019 03:55 GMT
#29148
On May 15 2019 11:40 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:
There's someone, somewhere, still crying that the south will rise again. And it will. By mass exodus to the northern states.

Sadly, with how broken the current US governmental system is, that too would play into the hands of the Republicans. All the people from backwoods Alabama who stayed in a theoretical exodus would still get 2 senators just like the 40+ million people in California. It would just remove any chance of Alabama voting anything other than Republican.
"Cliiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiide" -Tastosis
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
May 15 2019 04:11 GMT
#29149
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Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9826 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-15 07:22:25
May 15 2019 07:18 GMT
#29150
George Carlin was right. Republicans only give a shit about your life if you haven't been born yet.

America has taken one step closer to the backwards, cruel religious fundamentalism that thrives in places like Saudi Arabia.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22238 Posts
May 15 2019 08:44 GMT
#29151
On May 15 2019 10:11 semantics wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2019 09:26 Doodsmack wrote:
Republicans should be first in line for the draft for any war with Iran. They chose war, we chose diplomacy. It's a very clear party divide.

I can't remember but was the reneg of the Iran deal just a Trump thing or a GOP thing during their primaries...
Considering a Republican Congress send an unprecedented letter to Iran stating that the next Republican President could just tear up the deal?
I'm going with a GOP position.

It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4410 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-15 10:01:25
May 15 2019 09:10 GMT
#29152
On May 15 2019 10:52 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2019 10:43 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On May 15 2019 06:30 Plansix wrote:
This thing is going to completely fuck up the board game industry as well, since all of their parts for games are made in China. And most of the company, like Fantasy Flight, are not big. The will have no choice but to jack up prices or fire people. It seems small, but there are tons of small industries like that in the US that are going to take it in the teeth.

Honestly i doubt it will have much impact.
Companies will just move production to Thailand or Vietnam if the tariffs are too steep.Williams-Sonoma just did this, as well as increase US production slightly https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/13/williams-sonoma-ceo-says-it-shifted-operations-ahead-of-tariff-hikes.html

China can retaliate by devaluing their currency to nullify any tariffs.And we’re back to square one.

I’m sure tiny board game companies can really afford retooling their production. The creators of Root, INIS and Gloomhaven were totally raking it in before and can just switch. They are totally the same as a +200 million dollar kitchen goods brand. So when you say “You doubt” you really mean that you have no idea what you are talking about?

Or just ship the tooling/moulds to somewhere cheaper.
These companies that made millions on kickstarter can do that if they have to yes?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4410 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-15 10:03:45
May 15 2019 09:16 GMT
#29153
On May 15 2019 11:16 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2019 10:43 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On May 15 2019 06:30 Plansix wrote:
This thing is going to completely fuck up the board game industry as well, since all of their parts for games are made in China. And most of the company, like Fantasy Flight, are not big. The will have no choice but to jack up prices or fire people. It seems small, but there are tons of small industries like that in the US that are going to take it in the teeth.

Honestly i doubt it will have much impact.
Companies will just move production to Thailand or Vietnam if the tariffs are too steep.Williams-Sonoma just did this, as well as increase US production slightly https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/13/williams-sonoma-ceo-says-it-shifted-operations-ahead-of-tariff-hikes.html

China can retaliate by devaluing their currency to nullify any tariffs.And we’re back to square one.

The change to ultra low sulphur fuel for container ships on 1/2020 may have a bigger impact since the price for low sulphur fuel is 55% more per tonne :
https://www.maritime-executive.com/blog/twelve-months-to-d-day-is-the-industry-ready-for-the-sulfur-cap


Who could have guessed that a company would move production to another country nearby China if it became more expensive to produce in China? I thought they were going to bring their manufacturing back to the US?

They opened a new US factory back in January.It’s in the link.But yes some work was also just moved to SEA.

Trump has added 1/2 million manufacturing jobs since he took office so there is some work coming back.I guess the tax cuts and increased shipping costs are having an impact too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
iamthedave
Profile Joined February 2011
England2814 Posts
May 15 2019 11:10 GMT
#29154
On May 15 2019 18:16 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2019 11:16 Doodsmack wrote:
On May 15 2019 10:43 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On May 15 2019 06:30 Plansix wrote:
This thing is going to completely fuck up the board game industry as well, since all of their parts for games are made in China. And most of the company, like Fantasy Flight, are not big. The will have no choice but to jack up prices or fire people. It seems small, but there are tons of small industries like that in the US that are going to take it in the teeth.

Honestly i doubt it will have much impact.
Companies will just move production to Thailand or Vietnam if the tariffs are too steep.Williams-Sonoma just did this, as well as increase US production slightly https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/13/williams-sonoma-ceo-says-it-shifted-operations-ahead-of-tariff-hikes.html

China can retaliate by devaluing their currency to nullify any tariffs.And we’re back to square one.

The change to ultra low sulphur fuel for container ships on 1/2020 may have a bigger impact since the price for low sulphur fuel is 55% more per tonne :
https://www.maritime-executive.com/blog/twelve-months-to-d-day-is-the-industry-ready-for-the-sulfur-cap


Who could have guessed that a company would move production to another country nearby China if it became more expensive to produce in China? I thought they were going to bring their manufacturing back to the US?

They opened a new US factory back in January.It’s in the link.But yes some work was also just moved to SEA.

Trump has added 1/2 million manufacturing jobs since he took office so there is some work coming back.I guess the tax cuts and increased shipping costs are having an impact too.



But how many more manufacturing jobs have his policies deducted since he took office? Haven't multiple companies closed factories since then and moved manufacturing elsewhere?
I'm not bad at Starcraft; I just think winning's rude.
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
May 15 2019 11:20 GMT
#29155
Hey guys guess what happens when you get an abortion and become a felon? That’s right, you can’t vote! This is more about punishing women.
Life?
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
May 15 2019 12:17 GMT
#29156
On May 15 2019 20:20 ShoCkeyy wrote:
Hey guys guess what happens when you get an abortion and become a felon? That’s right, you can’t vote! This is more about punishing women.

Yeah, all those White Male senators are really speaking for the women of Alabama. I sure hope adoption is big there.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
ZerOCoolSC2
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
9037 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-15 20:13:22
May 15 2019 12:42 GMT
#29157
Donald Trump Jr. has reached a compromise with the Senate Intelligence Committee to testify before the panel, according to a source familiar with the negotiations. The deal comes less than a week after the committee's initial subpoena inflamed tensions between the GOP-led panel and the White House.

The mid-June interview will be limited in time — no more than four hours — although no topics are off limits, the source said.

The primary agenda is expected to focus on knowledge Trump Jr. may have about the proposed Trump Tower Moscow project as well as his involvement in a June 2016 meeting at Trump Tower in New York City with a Russian delegation after an offer of "dirt" on Hillary Clinton.

A Senate Intelligence Committee spokesperson declined to comment.

Trump Jr. first testified before the committee about such questions in December 2017. Negotiations over another appearance dragged on and eventually stalled, leading to the subpoena compelling the president's son to testify or risk being held in contempt.


Trump Jr. Strikes Deal With Senate Intelligence Committee For Additional Testimony

If a mod wants to clean the link, thanks.

Looks like we'll get a bit more information out of junior here. I wonder if he'll perjure himself by forgetting what he's already testified to. Or will daddy bail him out?
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States43898 Posts
May 15 2019 14:00 GMT
#29158
On May 15 2019 18:16 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2019 11:16 Doodsmack wrote:
On May 15 2019 10:43 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On May 15 2019 06:30 Plansix wrote:
This thing is going to completely fuck up the board game industry as well, since all of their parts for games are made in China. And most of the company, like Fantasy Flight, are not big. The will have no choice but to jack up prices or fire people. It seems small, but there are tons of small industries like that in the US that are going to take it in the teeth.

Honestly i doubt it will have much impact.
Companies will just move production to Thailand or Vietnam if the tariffs are too steep.Williams-Sonoma just did this, as well as increase US production slightly https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/13/williams-sonoma-ceo-says-it-shifted-operations-ahead-of-tariff-hikes.html

China can retaliate by devaluing their currency to nullify any tariffs.And we’re back to square one.

The change to ultra low sulphur fuel for container ships on 1/2020 may have a bigger impact since the price for low sulphur fuel is 55% more per tonne :
https://www.maritime-executive.com/blog/twelve-months-to-d-day-is-the-industry-ready-for-the-sulfur-cap


Who could have guessed that a company would move production to another country nearby China if it became more expensive to produce in China? I thought they were going to bring their manufacturing back to the US?

They opened a new US factory back in January.It’s in the link.But yes some work was also just moved to SEA.

Trump has added 1/2 million manufacturing jobs since he took office so there is some work coming back.I guess the tax cuts and increased shipping costs are having an impact too.


Source?
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semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
May 15 2019 16:00 GMT
#29159
On May 15 2019 18:10 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 15 2019 10:52 Plansix wrote:
On May 15 2019 10:43 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
On May 15 2019 06:30 Plansix wrote:
This thing is going to completely fuck up the board game industry as well, since all of their parts for games are made in China. And most of the company, like Fantasy Flight, are not big. The will have no choice but to jack up prices or fire people. It seems small, but there are tons of small industries like that in the US that are going to take it in the teeth.

Honestly i doubt it will have much impact.
Companies will just move production to Thailand or Vietnam if the tariffs are too steep.Williams-Sonoma just did this, as well as increase US production slightly https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/13/williams-sonoma-ceo-says-it-shifted-operations-ahead-of-tariff-hikes.html

China can retaliate by devaluing their currency to nullify any tariffs.And we’re back to square one.

I’m sure tiny board game companies can really afford retooling their production. The creators of Root, INIS and Gloomhaven were totally raking it in before and can just switch. They are totally the same as a +200 million dollar kitchen goods brand. So when you say “You doubt” you really mean that you have no idea what you are talking about?

Or just ship the tooling/moulds to somewhere cheaper.
These companies that made millions on kickstarter can do that if they have to yes?

That cost more money than you'd think. Deployment of lines in markets you aren't already in is a hell of a task. There are of ton of logistical crap you have to sort out and you need someone over there to do daily coordination and oversight until the process becomes mature. Its alot of money and time most kick starter campaigns would not survive if they had to do that.

Yes it's doable but costly, how long do you plan to run that line? Maybe you'll open up your new line that you have planned out 2 years. Maybe you cut losses and just shut down, or run at a reduced volume and bump up the price for awhile till trump is out.
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-15 16:19:38
May 15 2019 16:16 GMT
#29160
A British General leading the Iraq/Syria coalition is claiming they see no indication of increased threat from Iran(-ian backed forces).

US Central Commands immediately refutes his comments and repeats the Bolton rhetoric.

The top British general in the US-led coalition against Isis has said there is no increased threat from Iranian-backed forces in Iraq or Syria, directly contradicting US assertions used to justify a military buildup in the region.

Hours later however, his assessment was disowned by US Central Command in an extraordinary rebuke of an allied senior officer. A spokesman insisted that the troops in Iraq and Syria were on a high level of alert due to the alleged Iranian threat. The conflicting versions of the reality on the ground added to the confusion and mixed signals in a tense part of the Middle East.

Maj Gen Christopher Ghika, who is a deputy commander of Operation Inherent Resolve (OIR), the coalition conducting counter-terrorist operations against Isis in Iraq and Syria, was repeatedly questioned by reporters about the threat from Shia militias in Syria and Iraq, cited by US officials over the past week as justification for speeding up the deployment of an aircraft carrier strike group in the Gulf and for sending B-52 Stratofortress bombers and an anti-aircraft battery to the region.

“No – there’s been no increased threat from Iranian-backed forces in Iraq and Syria,” Ghika said in a videolink briefing from Baghdad to the Pentagon. “We’re aware of that presence, clearly. And we monitor them along with a whole range of others because that’s the environment we’re in. We are monitoring the Shia militia groups. I think you’re referring to carefully and if the threat level seems to go up then we’ll raise our force protection measures accordingly.”

On Tuesday night, US Central Command – whose area of operations covers the Middle East and Afghanistan – put out a statement refuting Ghika’s comments.

“Recent comments from OIR’s deputy commander run counter to the identified credible threats available to intelligence from US and allies regarding Iranian-backed forces in the region,” it said.

“US Central Command, in coordination with OIR, has increased the force posture level for all service members assigned to OIR in Iraq and Syria. As a result, OIR is now at a high level of alert as we continue to closely monitor credible and possibly imminent threats to US forces in Iraq.”

The rebuke was particularly striking as it implied that Ghika was unaware of the state of alert of his own troops. The remarkable comments heightened concerns that fabricated or exaggerated intelligence may be being used by administration hawks led by the national security adviser, John Bolton, to further the case for war against Iran, in a manner reminiscent of the buildup to the Iraq invasion.
source

Now there's a US senator saying it would an easy 1-2 punch to win a war vs Iran. Fun times.

+ Show Spoiler +
https://twitter.com/FiringLineShow/status/1128393270458048512


What has leaving the Iran deal and sanctioning Iran got the US so far? Is the great deal maker going to renegotiate anything? Because it sure feels like it's just a pretense for war at this point.
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